No thanks! He is too dull. I don't like his design and I loathe the name.
No thanks! He is too dull. I don't like his design and I loathe the name.
But they could add to him, like they've done for others.
"Pointless" is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I see reason to expand the known story of MOTU and POP by developing little known characters. If you're not for that, then you're not for JOSH. Or any other little known character.
He isn't a "new" character. He exists already, and can be further developed into something interesting.
And, "Josh" is being singled out (on this thread) because he is:
A. A muscular, heroic type guy.
B. A Rebellion Member.
C. A chance for a second male on the Rebellion team.
D. A chance to add to the story by developing new dynamics.
E. A chance to expand the POP universe.
2. There are key characters within this line that do not possess any special superpowers, but they were given weapons, a job, and in some cases a good name.
3. So it's not about POP, but about girl figures in general? I'm fond of the story potential first and foremost. New and undiscovered characters help that.
What makes a character compelling enough? Looking cool, having a cool power, an interesting back story. All the things Josh doesn't have lol.
I actually don't have a problem with them making Josh if enough people want him, I just don't see the interest in some random dude who appeared in the background and did nothing. We have loads of male characters already anyway, if anything we need more women!
Yes you could make up a backstory for him and new costume etc but why would you? He's just some guy who went on a pinic. He didn't do or say anything to make him seem like a possibly interesting character.
"Cool" is in one's opinion. I favor the human characters in the MOTUC line above the monsters and humanoids. For example, I think Vikor and Bow are far "cooler" than King Hsss or Sy-Klone. Keldor is a cooler character to me than Mer-Man. It's just my opinion of what is cool to me. If Josh were drawn as a scrawny, ugly little man I'd personally not see much potential in him. But he was drawn idealistically; his appearance matches the muscle of all the other guys in the line. And he's supposed to be in the Great Rebellion. And to borrow an idea of him from the actual mini-comic (which I admit is lacking in depth), he is on a casual foursome date, paired with Glimmer.
Yes, the line needs more women! :hmgrin: Because "Josh" falls under the headline of POP, some are seeing this idea as a delay or cancellation of another POP character. Not true!
Mattel is developing characters from existing media they have the rights to. In some cases, this means they take a sketch from a filing cabinet found in the basement at Mattel Inc. and can give it a bio and a compelling story, turn the sketch over the 4 Horsemen, and in a short time there is an exciting new character.
I get that this guy Josh was only a guy on a picnic, but I've singled him out because he is a chance to get another human heroic male character from Etheria. Apply said ingredients, throw in his mini-comic, and push the "puree" button. The idea has loads of potential! :)
Well, if you're going off the basis of fleshing out the PoP universe, wouldn't there be far more important characters to get to, before Josh. Just for arguments sake, you only get 3 or 4 new PoP figures a year, factor out the amount already existing figures you'd have to make, there aren't that many slots left. Wanting Josh is like saying, "I want the harp player in the bar." This isn't Star Wars, where every onscreen character can get made.
And really, was the all bold response necessary? It comes across as yelling, and childish.
Wanting Josh is no more absurd than wanting Green Goddess, Geldor, Lodar, that creepy monster thing that looks like it could re-use the Gygor body, etc.
I want Josh and I want a backstory for him which explains how/why he joined the Rebellion and why he's so important to Adora, Bow and Glimmer. It's been killing me all these years! :sheek:
[For the people who really, really want him, though, I like the idea of merging him with Songster]
"You're kidding, right?"
Okay, three things:
Fleshing out the POP universe: besides the 80's POP dolls, Kowl, Lookee, and the prototype Star Sisters, there is little if anything else non-Horde related that Mattel can add. Josh is one of the extreme few. Correct me if I'm wrong. Can you name another POP heroic character from any non-Filmation media?
Star Wars: Many fans, and not just me, are interested in collecting rare appearance characters. The line is already producing a few. You are right that the line will probably never be as vast as Star Wars (what will?) but there are fans who have dreamed of characters that never got a figure. This isn't an "All Stars" MOTU action figure line. We're getting figures from all eras, from all corners! :)
In response to my "yelling": I wasn't yelling. I hadn't had time, until this afternoon, to respond to the many statements that I wanted to respond to. I wanted to do it all at once, and the post was very long. I just wanted my responses to visually "pop" within the posting. Also, I keep having to re-iterate my points over and over again because many fans stop by simply to poop on my idea and leave without reading or considering what I'm trying to say. I hoped to make my responses noticed. Sorry if I offended you or anyone! Wait, am I allowed to use an exclamation mark, or is that too harsh?
Incidentally, I've seen some very homophobic remarks made all over this thread and I've taken it very kindly, although it is personally insulting.
I always wanted characters that I saw in the mini-comics. I think lots of us thought there might be figures of all the characters one day. I was missing so many good guys in my youth, that now it's my main collecting focus.
I think Josh could be really cool! Just gotta let Mattel create something for him, and we might one day have a "new" Rebellion member to add to the ranks!
"The Obelisk" was the one that survived around my house the longest, so I read it the most. I always wanted figures of all the monsters that crawled out of it.
I had another that had panels with Randor and Marlena. They were childhood "must haves" that sadly never came to pass for me. I never even had Teela, Duncan, or Orko!
Bitter? YEP! :sklol:
I still dont get the comparison with Green Goddess, Geldor, Lodar, Shadow Beast etc. All of those characters actually did something and/or visually looked interesting.
Yes Josh looks similar to Adam. But Adam turns into He-man! Adam isn't just some guy who went on a picnic.
I know he could be expanded on but their isn't any base to start with so it would be starting from scratch. You may as well just make a totally new character. That's why I don't understand it being such a big deal to anyone that Josh is bothered with.
Being a cypher work for Gy-Gor, but Gy-Gor also had a compelling name and a visually interesting design. Gy-Gor also had the benefit of being under the vintage MOTU line, and based on a toy design that was from the Big Jim line that the figures of vintage Battle-Cat and Zoar were from. Gy-Gor had more connections to the most popular faction of the MOTUC line - vintage MOTU.
Sadly, Josh does not have those advantages. Would I buy a Josh figure? Absolutely! Do I think they'll make one? I think we'll see Shadow Weaver, Scorpia, Octavia, Seahawk, and Madame Razz & Broom before we see Josh. From the way Mattel marketed Bow, an actual warrior, they were really afraid he wouldn't sell. They even broke their little rule about displaying characters in packaging the way their vintage figures were displayed by displaying Bow's new "target" chest symbol for his armor in package, as opposed to his vintage heart, because they seem to be so afraid of POP not selling. They've demonstrated many times over a lack of confidence in POP. Do I like it? No. but that is the way it is. :srsad:
Dudes ... seriously? "Josh?" Wow.
Come on people. We knew nothing about Gygor except that he was a lemon-lime ape that thinks he's a reverse Dominatrix. He wears the black leather and He-Man rides him. :hmlol:
The only story he had, Mattel changed.
Josh is more complete and was readily available in the 80's (as in, people actually saw him in the minicomic as opposed to reading a couple sentences about him in Roger Sweet's book a few years ago).
Cheif Carnivus had almost no backstory, so Mattel created one. Vikor (aka He-Man concept 1) got a fully fabricated backstory as will Demo-Man (if we ever get him...which we probably will...). Fighting Foe Men...need I go on? :sklol:
The point is, sure, Josh didn't do anything spectacular in his appearance, but from the little we know, he is an important character (for reasons I already explained). He could even be the Red Knight. I find it kind of insulting saying that Josh is lame but the "hurts the eyes to directly look at him" Gorilla is awesome...or that all the dropped concepts are awesome.
At least Josh actually made it to official media the first time around and is a unique enough character. He wasn't pitched as "what if we take this old toy and colour it all crazy-like?" :holol:
I don't think it's really a question of legitimacy, Darkspector.
At least, not for most people... (plus, Gygor got his share of complaints on that end, too)
It's a question of being a cool figure.
While, yes, they could drum up a "cool" backstory/bio for him...
That doesn't make him anything more than a plain dude in a plain outfit with a picnic basket for accessories.
And changing that to a guy with cool armor/weapons/etc who's name is Josh?
Well, that isn't really the same thing.
That's just making up a new character and saying "he looks like a Josh". :hmlol:
And in regards to the Star Wars thing, I'm just trying to look at the big picture. But as someone who is new to PoP, I realize now that there isn't that much media outside of the Filmation cartoon (which, btw, is really all I know about She-Ra.) So if there really isn't that much more character-wise out there that's not Filmation, then ok, I can see the need/desire for a Josh. But aren't there any other more visually interesting characters from the mini-comics you'd want more than Josh? I mean, he really is venturing into 'Ice Cream Maker Guy' territory, IMO.
- Wise Old Wizardess
- The Voice of the Unknown (both are Sorceress-like characters)
- Catra's Catmen
- Catra's Catbirds
- Catra's Phantoms
- Catra's Sea Serpents
- A couple Crystal Horses that weren't named and only shown in 1 or 2 images
- Gremlin She-Ra turns into a Butterfly
- "Dreadful Dragoness" She-Ra turns into a Dragonfly
- Random people without names in the "Don't Rain On My Parade!" comic
- Mermista's fish friends and seal. A little octopus and some clams are also in the comic, but not important
So...out of mini-comic characters that have names, Josh is 1 of 3.
I'll post pictures of all these characters.
Wise Old Wizardess:
The Voice of the Unknown:
Catra's Sea Serpents:
Nameless Crystal Horses:
trivial adj: Of little or no sigificance; of interest only to those highly enamoured of the subject
He's an extra who got a (first) name. THAT'S IT! In no way does a one-off background character in an obscure minicomic qualify as "a major part of the Rebellion".
[And no, "he could be if Mattel wanted to make him so" is not a valid response. By that logic, I could say Barbie is a major part of the Rebellion.]
Granita would be a cool addition to the Great Rebellion. I know it's not a male character but id like to see her filling out there ranks. I like the idea of Snout Spout and the other rock warriors being rebel members too as they were in the cartoon. I hope they somehow work that into their bios, that they at least used to be rebel members before travelling to Eternia. That and Snout Spout originally being an Etherian Peasant.
Also, he's not trivial. He's one of two men in the Great Rebellion. You know how people went by the original MOTU mini-comics for the story and pretend Filmation doesn't exist, or even hate it?
Well, if you did that, the following are the Great Rebellion:
-Adora/She-Ra and Spirit/Swiftwind
-Bow and Arrow
-Double Trouble (the double agent)
-Sweet Bee and Crystal Sundancer
-Peekablue and Crystal Moonbeam
Also, Josh may have made a second mini-comic appearance:
He's the flautist. He's not named, so you never know.
Josh is important enough to be brought to a special picnic to relax with the top 3 members of the Great Rebellion and he's their close friend. Yeah, he's just random villager # 6. :hmroll: Come on. We didn't learn much about him, but he's obviously important and not trivial. Gygor is trivial. Just a random "we can make money on this" throwaway character that got...wait for it...thrown away. :sklol:
EDIT: I ran out of picture space above, here's the rest:
Mermista's seal friend:
Octopus and clams:
That's everyone/thing that's living. There are two unique vehicles: Bow's Butterfly mobile (think a green Batwing) and this viking sailboat they use to traverse a snowy wasteland:
I don't think the mini-comic writters put that much thought into Josh being so important that he was allowed to go on a picnic with Adora, Bow and Glimmer. I think they just wanted two boys and two girls on the picnic. Just because he went on a picnic with them doesn't mean he was someone really special, couldn't he just be one of many random friends they have or are they really snobby about who they picnic with lol.