At this point, it would help if they stopped putting toy-based POP in a negative light and rationalizing the style guide/Filmation looks. We already know the latter is generally more popular. It's really a moot point. If toy-based POP figures are a real possibility in MOTUC, there should be no need for those sort of explanations. They're making this more complicated than it has to be. Once in awhile they could toss in figure that's faithful to the toy. Spread the love some.
As for my use of the word "true", I'm using that in the context of being a fan who generally prefers the toy line looks to the style guide.
Its a valid point and there are those of us who are passionate. If we are not insulting anyone and not attacking anyone, why is our viewpoint any less valid?
Why is Toy 'influenced' POP any different to all the people rallying for Fearless Photog or Illumina?
Now back on Topic. Bravo DO4M Thankyou so much for that awesome post!:skgrin: You pointed out something that I had somehow forgotten and I really appreciate it!
The term action figure was coined by Kenner in the 70's to make it ok to sell Dolls to boys! Ive always known that and Im actually surprised that I had forgotten that when reading TGs post!
Tallstar, I think the toy designs for PoP have a better chance of appearing at some point in the life of the MOTUC line than the 200X designs, if that is any comfort.
As a recovering mad man with regard to "hyper anime detail" (It's not hyper or anime, it's just MORE detail dammit!!!!) I must say that making peace with the negative readings is your only hope. Focus on campaigning for the alternate designs for Angela and Catra and She-Ra and Castaspella as variants, with the natural understanding that hair and clothes will be sculpted. Those seem like the best candidates to start with (to me anyway). Particularly Angela seems like a natural for a second version, especially if they can reuse the wings. Of course getting any figures of her or the others would be ideal first. Not all chicken eggs hatch.
All arguments here are valid but repeating the same thing over and over just becomes jaded..I appreciate your dedication to POP toys but with a lot of design choices to pick from, you can't really please everybody.
So they've changed their minds or focus from a previous answer given in print, on the internet, or a quote at a convention/interveiw. This happens all the time in business, entertainmet, life, etc. Some people over analyze everything written or said, if it's not in a contract it can change.
These are not dolls. That's all.
as someone that was not a POP fan before MOTUC, I like the way Mattel is doing the Pop stuff, looking at the old POP toys, they do nothing for me. Sorry pop toy fans.
But I think the way mattel is doing it, makes it easier for them to get none Pop fans to buy the toys.
Another example of the communication between company and consumers...
To be fair, we do have Bow and Bubble Power She-Ra with heavy vintage toy-design influence.
I like the combination style.
For example, I want Glimmer to have both Filmation and toy-design characteristics. Why? Because that combo creates a good fit in the line.
Bow is a great example, in my opinion, of a successful combination of Filmation and the toy.
This is Masters of the Universe Classics, not Masters of the Universe and not Princess of Power. These figures are part of a WHOLE NEW line. If you're such a fan of vintage POP then collect them instead, same goes for vintage MOTU and NA. The point of the Classics is to update the characters into today's standard of figures. We need to accept this and realize that the figures will not be the same as they were in the 80's. And yes I know that the MOTU characters are closer to vintages figures then the POP characters. But that is because one was an action figure the other a doll, and they were not even in scale as each other.
I agree with those who feel that the vintage POPs were dolls, because they are. They had rooted hair and clothes you could change, and in the same regard I think of the vintage 12in GI Joes as dolls for boys. So my feelings have nothing to do with them being "girly" they are just different types of toys that don't blend with action figures.
What I meant by True PoP is something similar to Source Material. The toys would be THE Source Material for the character looks. Style Guides, Cartoon versions, etc. are alternate takes or redesigns. These are derivative looks. (which seem to be a no-no for the MOTU side, yet A-OK to do in the PoP side.)
Now with that said, I understand that Filmation is the more popular look, due to the cartoon helping to create a fanbase beyond the intended target... That reason seems reasonable enough for Mattel to use the Filmation looks for PoP.
On the other hand, Mattel's got the freaking 4 Horsemen... I bet that they COULD take the PoP toy designs, make them Badass and still have the Key elements from the PoP toys (Like the She-Ra example I posted earlier) Just look at BOW, BP She-Ra and Catra (While they're mostly Filmation based they still took some cues from the toys and they rock!)
If they can go out of their way for dials and buttons and other Vintage MOTU stuff, why can't they do the same for PoP? If taking the toy designs and badassifying them for MOTUC is too hard, then add some MORE toy elements to the Filmation looks... (enough to break the 80s exercise video look that many of the figured have)
Let's take Angella for example: Her Toy version is a bit too Girly while her Filmation version is Pretty Much a Glimmer Repaint... With wings: How about meeting halfway?
Using the Filmation look as a base, but using the Toy's chest design and a nod to her toy skirt (shorter to allow better leg movement and removable for those who want a more Filmationy look.)
That's why I'm for 80's toy PoP translated into MOTUC or hybrids of Styleguide and 80's toy PoP, or a both look option (ala Queen Marlena).
Straight up Filmation/Jetlag design in MOTUC is absolutely not what MOTUC is about at all...whether that be MOTU, PoP or NA. MYP is detailed enough to fit into MOTUC, though (some characters have to be "toned down" a bit).
I also pretty much 100% agree with DO4M's above post. :)
The crazy thing is, with Starla and Tallstar in particular, they could have easily been two-in-one figures that were 100% faithful to the toys and in-line with a more simplified style-guide/Filmation type of look. Had they given Tallstar removable pants, she would still have the basic 80s "aerobic" swimsuit outfit underneath. Had they taken a cue from She-Ra 2.0 and made Starla's sash/skirt combo removable, she too would have the swimsuit underneath, which is what she sported in the Filmation series. I mean, it's much harder for fans to sculpt removable pants for Tallstar then to just repaint her to look like the poster. And if some folks were worried about that particular outfit being too girly (shaking head), the 4H could just sculpt it like winding electrical conduit or sculpt circuitry into plastic strips.
I hate that Mattel sometimes acts like the toy outfits are somehow pushing things over the edge, when Marlena has a removable dress! I can't believe we're even having this conversation with them.
The thing is, with the Star Sisters, part of me thinks they may have actually been open to doing toy-based versions, otherwise, why ask Emiliano what to do on them? To me, that was the insulting part from their end, because I felt the topic was discussed enough times to where they should have had a clear idea what to do. It made it seem like they weren't paying attention to years worth of input.
P.S. I will get to some of your responses later in the morning.
I dunno. I'm just really aggravated with some of Mattel's commentary, especially as of late. On one hand they're saying they regretted some of their past decisions because it set a 'bad precedent', yet then they toss in a soft-headed-partially-rooted Megator head, extra 2002-influenced Fisto head etc.
Don't get me wrong, it's neat they included those things, but then it's like... don't sit there and give this speech about precedents. They have nobody else to "blame" but themselves if fans then continuously ask for those things.
I personally hope all future POP figures are more like Bow and Bubble Power She-Ra than Adora, She-Ra V1.0 and (to a lesser extent) Catra.
Bow in particular seems to be a perfect blend of Filmation (or style guide), toy-design and some new design elements added to ensure that he blends well with all the other MOTUC figures. Even if Mattel prefers the Filmation colours, there's nothing wrong with adding design elements from the original toys. Sure, it will cost more to sculpt boots and gauntlets with added detail, but they can be shared between POP figures, just like the original parts were shared.
I'm split on this one. I loved my POP dolls when I was a kid, but I was always angered by the fact that they looked nothing like they did in the show. When we were first shown the photo of Catra I was bouncing off the ceiling with excitement because she looked like she belonged next to Hordak. I feel one of the reasons they've held off this long on releasing another POP A/B lister is due to fear of fan reaction. I'm also thinking they're really trying to calculate every move they make in trying to please everyone with POP. I'm not going to judge their overall handling of POP until they release one or two more figures.
You know, I really wish Mattel created a special 6-figure program for POP's 25th anniversary and used all those slots on updated versions of the toys... because it seems to be getting harder and harder to fit them in somewhere.
Now that I got that misunderstanding out of the way, let's continue.
If POP can get their filmation looks without any problem, why does MOTU need a different line in an "Animated style" to get their filmation looks?