I understand all of that; I alluded to it in my post. I too am VERY happy that Photog is included.
Originally Posted by bribri4u
My point is that negating Illumina as a possibility due to her being an existing character, even though she has only had one appearance and some history amongst fans... is contradicted by the fact that they included Photog, who also basically only has one appearance and history amongst fans.
Then he needs to clearly define what the 30th anniversary line is. Is it all about "new" characters, as he has said in multiple outlets? That would somewhat negate both Illumina and Photog, as neither is a "brand-new" character. Or is this all about fan-created characters, which would then include Spector, Draego-Man, Geoff Johns character...and both Photog AND Illumina. Scott himself said Illumina was a "fan-pitched" character, didn't he?
Originally Posted by DJ Force
The point is that you can't have it both ways. You can't say the line cannot include pre-existing characters and include Photog... and you can't say it only covers "fan" created characters and NOT include Illumina as a possibility.
While for me I can take or leave the Illumina character (she is cool looking and I wouldn't mind having her in the line since we are getting obscure characters anyway, but at the same time if she doesn't get made I won't lose sleep over it), I will say that it almost seems like Mattel is going out of their way to make a series of catch-22 excuses that just disqualifies Illumina no matter what.
I can understand that semantically she wouldn't fit in with the 30th anniversary sub line. That's fine. But none the less, Mattel doesn't have a problem with taking a chance on something like a 30th anniversary sub line made up mostly of original characters that fans have never heard of before (save for Photog), but somehow the idea of including Illumina somewhere, some way, some how in the MOTUC line is something that they just aren't willing to gamble on.
Heck, what about characters like Vikor or Gygor? I don't really remember there being that huge of a demand from the fan community for either of them prior to them being announced in the line (especially Gygor, and he is an oversized Beast, as is the upcoming Griffin, which didn't seem to have a huge demand either).
And even a variant like the blonde bikini Teela. That did certainly have a strong demand and following, but I don't know if it was much more than "50 very vocal fans". And even the upcoming Sisterhood-Of-The-Traveling-Pants Convention Sorceress figure is an obscure variant based on a single mini-comic. Sure the latter 2 that I listed are obscure variants of well known characters, but the fundamental point remains the same.
There has been a lot of chances taken with a lot of obscure items in this line, but somehow Illumina is stuck in this weird catch-22 limbo where she's either too obscure or (in the case of the 30th anniversary figures that are original and completely previously unknown to the fandom) not obscure enough to get produced somewhere in the mix.
Quite easy. The 30th anniversary line is all about new characters. No need to include the ""´s. Fearless Photog is a new character. He never had a bio, never had an appearance in comic, cartoon or whatever media. He´s a brand new 25 years old character.
Originally Posted by Sallah
Illumina is not so new anymore, as she was intended to be included in the licensed comic, fully fleshed out Bio and all. So she´s a regular character, no matter if fans created her or not.
This isn't my attempt to silence vintage POP fans or to get the characters out of MOTUC(after the original MOTU toyline, POP is my favorite group of characters), but has anyone asked Mattel about making a separate POP line closer in style to either the vintage toys or Monster High? At this point I don't see Mattel basing any upcoming POP toys for MOTUC on the vintage line(unless it was identical to what Filmation showed). I can understand being upset by this, but between what they think will sell(I don't know if it's accurate, but they seem to feel Filmation designs lead to more crossover appeal than vintage designs) & what ToyGur/4H seem to prefer, I think the precedent has been set.
Originally Posted by Tallstar
I agree. Also, ToyGuru has mentioned in the past that he not only stole POP toys from his sister, he's a big fan of 2002(he just recently said that he likes the 2002 Evil Seed more than the Filmation one). I feel this notion that it's Toy Guru who is calling for less POP or 2002 to be utterly baseless.
Originally Posted by MegaGearMax
I'm just viewing the 30th Anniversary as newly created for this specific line. The only one pushing that is Photog since he's not "newly" created, but his genesis was in the same spirit as these for the first CaC.
Of course I agree with how it irks that Illumina couldn't be made for the excuse that she was fan made. Then they turn around and acknowledge she's official, and next make fan created characters but not her because she's now official. Yeah, it stinks. It'd be nice if more people acknowledged it did, but truth waits for no one. All we can do is keep asking for her.
RE PoP figures in 2012, I agree that it seems unlikely they won't have more. They've got some very big vintage MOTU characters for the first four months and the first bonus figure. I'm actually stunned by it. They've got Filmation characters now too, but I think that'll be one, maybe two at the most for 2012.
I still have faith that we will see full Classic toy versions of She-Ra and Catra (hopefully with additional rooted heads that cannot been seen in the packout). They only need to sculpt She-Ra's classic toy dress and her classic toy gold sword, frilly cape and her Starburst cape. So thats only four more small sculpts.
For Classic toy Catra we would only need her unique toy boots and arm gauntlets, as well as her classic toy dress, fur belt & tail and shower Power Catra mask, only five more small sculpts. Everything else for both of these characters is already done. I feel safe thinking all classic toy versions of She-Ra and Catra will be comming over the course of the line, they are big hitters. I am more concerned for the other vintage designs.
Just a heads up there are a ton of new questions answered (though half are about Griffin wings!)