I guess I dont really get all the "era wars". I am a toy collector first and foremost. I collect toys of the properties I like and well some I dont, just because I like the toys. MOTUC is the perfect fit though. Because I love the toys and I love MOTU/POP/200x. I dont really like NA the toon, but I love the MOTUC toys that we've gotten so far and have started getting the vintage figures too. So I say bring them all on and keep 'em coming.
I don't like the 200X figures much, but I do like some options it brings, like I prefer Stinkor's 200X parts to his Vintage look. But I don't want 200X specific characters except maybe Grayskull, but that's only because his character is kind of a no brainer. But as far as NA, I don't want them at all, none have popped to me as far as wanting to buy, but the do look cool. While I do not like or want 200X or NA specifically, even if I hated them entirely, it's not my place to be selfish and wish that the collectors of an entire faction, or series didn't get their figures. Collect what you want, but if you don't like an era in MOTUC, no one really cares but you, there are plenty that do. and just because it may be a POP or NA character....it doesn't mean that figure can't look awesome, it is MOTUC after all, it's not like the 4H are sculpting dolls like the Vintage POP, and saying here, this is what you get, no, we are getting very cool MOTUC representations of POP, that look every bit as good as anything else in the line.
It's a pretty selfish outlook on things when you think you're the sole collector of a line and you should have it your way over 50 other people who like something you don't. Get over it already, and deal with the fact that POP, NA, 200X and Filmation are part of MOTUC, and despite all the *****ing....it's not going anywhere.
Let's use another example. If I were interested in train sets, would I be wrong to say that I only want to collect models of steam trains, or would you say diesels and electrics are trains too, so I should include them in my collection anyway?
As it happens, most of us with specific preferences in the Classics world have ended up being purchasers of all the figures from the different factions anyway and are supportive of everything being represented in the line. I think a lot of this in-fighting is imagined rather than an issue of any real substance.
MOTUC would still be going strongly if they never made She Ra, Adora, Bow, Netosser, Frosta, the Star Sisters and the flying horse. Doubt it would be true in reverse.
MOTUC would be a very boring line if they never made PoP figures, NA figures, 200X figures and concept figures, vintage-MotU-only fans keep complaining about.
If they announce Two Bad, I'll pretty much dump in my pants.
If they released a Tung Lashor, I would rather it was the Vintage version. Filmation was a rare occasion and doesn't look as nice. It's fun to see an alternate version of him, but a devoted figure would be a wasted spot for me. I do indeed love the idea about the removable Horde armor! He's not wearing anything in his original sculpt unless that snake mark isn't branded to him. Great idea.
When looking at what original figures were released for PoP, and those originally released for MotU, there are still a good number on both sides. No matter which side you put the Horde. Ranking a figure is all point of view. Watching the show vs. playing with the toys makes a big difference, but in the show, many secondary characters were rarely seen. Kowl, however, was in almost every episode and one of my favorites, but he's not doing so well on these polls.
I also see the Horde figures as MotU figures. It said so on the card, so... I guess that's were I instinctively put them. Plus they have a completely different look than the other PoP stuff. But if Mattel came out and said they belong to PoP, that wouldn't make a difference. Same stuff. I'm guilty of having a distaste for NA. Not sure why, it's just out of place. I do like Optikk, and Slushhead is okay. He could have been better. For the 200X original characters, hmm, they are only okay. Marzo and The Faceless One are clunky. Too much plastic gone wrong, especially TFO. Chief Carnivus and Dekker actually do sit on the bottom shelf right not, but primarily as place holders. I always enjoy when the introduce non-white humans into the ranks (the ONLY thing I like about Netossa), so Dekker has that going, and CC has some very nice details, but their lasting appeal has greatly diminished from when I first got them. And Dekker's not that old, so already being boring stinks.
At this point, I have so many figures that the collection becomes more of a whole. I still have my favs, but while most of the figures look amazing next to my utmost favorite characters, the 200X and NA stuff is not holding up.
For PoP. I think Catra and Adora are wonderful additions. I obviously couldn't see the collection complete without She-Ra, and she looks stunning on Swift Wind. And hopefully we'll get Scorpia one day, to add with Octavia. I also think Double Trouble has promise. Out of all the regular GR figures, Angela interests me the most. I don't want her competing with the Sorceress, but at least the wings give her a defining characteristic, instead of a different color skirt and matching wand.
Speaking of plussing-up (I know, sorry) the PoP figures, I see Netossa as a failed opportunity. Almost like how the gave Mossman a pouch and made his weapon more natural, they really should have done something with her. Same shape shield but more natural in material. The spear would have gone over like gang busters as everybody has noted. The headdress could have been far less generic, and while I don't agree with stereotypes, making her more amazonish would have been a delight to me. From the skirt to the cape/net, to even other detail, especially her headgear. There are things that could have worked, but we see none of this. Shame. Now she's just boring, and I don't care to customize my figures.
To be fair guys, Scott was the one who insisted on making this a grab bag catch all MOTU-related properties line. We've got alot of POP fans who have plunged money and support over the years and now with the writing on the wall, I can understand the frustration.
Of course I think vintage MOTU stuff is the backbone of MOTUC but Scott said he was going to focus on core characters and I believe POP and NA have more of them to burn through.
Like jzachery, I grew up on Motu and that line of toys, yet I always wished there were actual action figures for PoP too. This line is a unique opportunity to have that one cohesive line that many of us wanted since we were kids. THAT is what sold me on this line. The figures themselves are fantastic, but I would have passed on them entirely just like I did 2002 without the promise of PoP.
I would be happy to see anyone on that list except Castaspella. Not that I don't want her, she just doesn't excite me.
I'm ultra hyped to see Two Bad at this point as I feel the Evil Warriors are by far the best faction in this line in terms of updates and sculpts (seriously, other than Stinkor's arms most of the Evil Warriors have been flawless) and he's the last remaining big gun for them.
I also really like the cohesive packaging.
Im not a big pop or NA fan, but I'll take MOTUC version She-ra, Netossa, Bow & Frosta anyday over BA He-mam, Vintage style Randor, BA Skeletor, Snout Spout, Roboto and patch work moss-man. As for NA, I'll take Optik, Flipshot and Slushhead over the above mentioned as well.
im spilt on 200x, i like count marzo, King grayskull, dekker and zodak, but Keldor, The faceless one and Chief Carnivous arent doing anything for me.
overall I"m lad were getting figures from every source.
Without POP included, it would have been stupid to include NA & 200X, and certainly without their inclusions there would be no long lived story to include all the concept characters we have gotten, so they'd be out too.
The reverse might not be true, but the only reason were here to ***** about the line right now in 2013 is because they opted to include all the factions.
For the first time, I'm actually glad Scott is in charge of the line....
I think I was just made to like Scott just a little more.
Character selection is a factor in why the line has faltered, but it's just one of many serious concerns collectors have. To narrow it down like that is a gross oversimplification, especially given that many don't want NA, beasts, FFM, variants, etc... If Mattel offered to buy back all POP figures, you wouldn't see sub numbers go anywhere near where they were a couple of years ago.
I love seeing never before made characters in the toy line (Dekker, Vykor, etc.), figures people have wanted for YEARS (Shadow Weaver, Procrustus,etc.). I fully believe all-encompassing was the best way to go with this toy line, and is why it has been so talked about and been one of the top toy lines for 4 years. :)
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Adora was originally what got me into MOTUC. When they were first announced I honestly did not care much because I had 200X versions. So first it was Adora, then Catra, which I displayed with my Horde Stactions. Eventually this led to replacing my 200X line with MOTUC. But I don't know if it would have happened without Adora getting my attention.
But no one who says those things stops to think that the Vintage line only had 68 figures. MOTUC would have died a while ago if it was a Vintage only rehash. I for one would have bought my handful of figures and walked away, because I for one never owned every Vintage figure, nor did I ever care to, and still don't. MOTUC as it is, I have way more figures than I ever owned from the Vintage line alone. I have 54 figures, otherwise it would likely only have been 26 total, then done with the line.Quote:
I never had POP, I never watched POP as a kid, and I for one am glad I finally get a chance to own something I never would have otherwise owned, because I do not collect dolls, and POP being made into MOTUC figures, gives me the chance to own something besides He-Man MOTU figures, and makes the line more vast and interesting.
The only reason I am still here collecting is I like a little of everything, and I like something I never would have had otherwise, like POP.