With all the recent conversation about too many deaths in the bios and comics, do you think it's necessary?
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With all the recent conversation about too many deaths in the bios and comics, do you think it's necessary?
I voted sometimes.
In a short story line with no continuity, death may not be necessary. However, in a story line like the MOTUC mythos where the story spans centuries, death should be a part of it. People are going to die of old age and warriors are going to fall in battle.
Choices one and three are technically the same thing. And death has been on the table in MOTU since the mini-comics, so this is, to me, a non-issue.
I hear you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Collec-Tor
I would say the first choice is for those that want more adult themes, and deaths are more numerous.
The third choice is a moderate choice. Deaths only occassionally, and normally would not be a main character.
Yes, it's necessary if MOTU stories want to be taken seriously and to grow in the context of the situation of planetary civil war. Otherwise the stories remain stagnant and stale.
Are deaths necessary? No. Are they realistic in context? Absolutely! In any ongoing storyline where epic battles are waged, there are bound to be casualties. However, in MOTU/MOTUC, I feel like it would help a lot if we had a clear timeline of events to put the deaths (essentially major changes) into perspective.
Then again, I guess Masters of the Universe canon has always been fluid and open to interpretation...I feel like as long as the deaths are handled well, and make sense within the context of the main themes, they are okay. I will say though that I feel as if things have gotten pretty dark and depressing. And rightfully so, as who would want to hear that their favorite characters have met a horrible fate?
Don't care for it, don't need it for a good story, Skeletor almost winning is enough. Let's be honost it's not like we're talking about a Shakespearean drama series. To me it still is a kid/childhood thing with the little "what have we learned today" ending. So maybe a budgie that dies cause they put him in front of an open window, that's more than enough.
It's just replacing charaters for new ones for the sake of continuity of a story they can bend each and any way they want, hoping new charaters will get the same love as the characters they replace .... why, it's a cartoon. He-man will be there long after I die just like Man at arms!
I voted option 3 because I'm not opposed to death in MOTU, only if it pushes the story forward. I'm against it when it's done for shock value or to show how "edgy" or "adult" MOTU has turned. Not against change, only against STUPID change.
No, not neccessary...
He-Man and MOTU were stories and characters meant for children. I wish the focus on the storylines would be that way. I thought the 200x cartoon did a decent job balancing a serious story with it being appropriate for a younger audience.
I want to pass down he-man to a younger generation so they can share the same experiences I had as a child.
Then feel free to whip out any of the previous cartoons' DVDs, man. No-one's trying to take that away from you. They'll always be there for you and the kids to enjoy!Quote:
Originally Posted by cderby79
This is an "18 and over" "adult collector line" afterall, so I'm appreciating the deaths some of the time. I do feel there have been a few TOO many on the heroic side, but I do find the bad guys cooler!
Bottom line is that these aren't even major entertainment. They're bios on the backs of action figures accompanied by a few minicomics. I'm sure that the next incarnation of MOTU will be completely different once again. :P
i voted yes rather than sometimes because i wanted to be mature and accept responsibility for my opinion. see i wanted sometimes until i remembered as needed implies that my opinion of when it is needed is important. it is not. death is only used in masters as needed as decided by the creators.
we may not agree that something was needed but it is not our creative work and our opinions dont hold weight.
so really there is only yes or no. no sometimes.
so yes. death has value in any story. it should be utilized as needed as determin hose that write the stories.
Sometimes, yes, absolutely. The MOTUC Canon is pushing the story out much further (in all direcions) that it has ever reached before. Given the short, less than episodic nature of the Bios themselves, it certainly comes off as callous and off-the-cuff when a character dies (Stratos, MAA, Zodac, etc.), but given the true scope of the story being told, it only makes sense taht characters will ultimately perish. Even the Classics Mini-Comics have been constrained by time and space in their depiction of what we would consider Major Events. I see these limitations as possibilities, however, as they leave quite a bit of wiggle room for us fans to insert our own takes on the storyline. That battle between Duncan and Clamp Champ? Lasted for hours in my book; it wasn't as one-and-done as the comic had room to show. Stratos' sacrifice? Touching, poignant, and epic! I adore the MOTUC Canon, and fill in details of my own as I see fit (open to editing with new information as we all "Keep Reading the Bios!").
Yes, it makes more sense now. I guess I was thinking the poll was asking more of a yes/no only question. Thanks for that!Quote:
Originally Posted by The All American
I feel its ok. specially when it adds or progresses the story. I however don't care for pointless deaths that feel empty.
No, it's only needed when it's necessary, like old age, I get people die in battles....but all the death has not been a necessity other than to further a story that I don't care about following. The Filmation story and whatever future I can imagine is what story I'll be following. I get in a way Filmation MOTU could be somewhat less goofy, but even still, death isn't needed just to introduce new characters. Hello G1 Transformers....I honestly cared less for most of the '86 crew introduced, aside from Magnus & Springer, but they killed off most of the '84 - '86 cast simply to sell new toys....leaving mainly Jazz & Bumblebee, and Jazz was written off once Scatman Crothers, the voice actor died.
It all depends on what kind of story you are going for. If you are going for something episodic that doesn't have an over all story, death isn't that necessary except maybe a life lesson on how to handle death. But in a more ongoing and continuing style story death is going to have to come into play at some point even in a story not dealing with war. characters age and things happen.
the problem is the transmission of the story of MOTUC, it's essentially reading the cliff notes or wikipedia excerpts from the story without having the story really being put out there. Just look at the King He-man bio, He-man comes back gets married has a son (biologically or adoptive) has his dad die during this time, and his son has become the new "He-man". That isn't something that happened over night, that is easily a few chapters worth of a novel starting off a new series of books if not a book unto itself. The same is true for most of the bios.
For me it's neither necessary nor unnecessary it's a matter of what you are trying to do with your story. MOTUC the story is a progressive story so death is going to come up. Filmation was far more episodic and only had the vaguest sense of ongoing continuity. MYP more towards MOTUC but had time to flush out a story.
Sometimes.
Death is an important part of ANY good story. We must pass on the life, adventures, and lessons of one hero to the next.
Examples:
-Uncle Ben to Peter Parker
-Jaga to Lion-O
-Yoda to Luke
-Prof. Bruttenholm to Hellboy
-Mama Longneck to Littlefoot
Among others........
Of course there should be deaths. It's a storyline that takes place over thousands of years making some deaths inevitable, and beyond that it's almost entirely based around war and giant battles. It would be unrealistic and a bit ignorant to have those battles and have no one die.
I voted no. I do understand in real life death happens. But, MOTU isn't real life, and it's a break from real life for most of us to kind of get lost in the stories, cartoons, etc. I like these properties to stay the same as I always remember them. I understand all points of view on it though....just my opinion.
I don't know. Depends who get killed and how. Picking one character or two character to die in story is always risk to get negative reaction.
i voted sometimes. i'm more concerned with how convoluted the story is becoming. i find myself rewriting huge chunks of the storyline with my own continuity, either because i don't like a direction they took, or i feel some things could be consolidated or simplified.
Sometimes.
I feel it should be handled in the traditional comic book route where death is really nothing to worry about. "Dead" characters just find a way to come back a few month/years later. :hmlol: