I know it probably won't change anyone's mind, but I added the vintage playset into my comparison image. It helps me keep perspective about what we're talking about anyway.
i wouldn't be surprised if, unexpectedly, they up and change the deadline to cancel.
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(How many times have we cringingly had to endure "We lost our shirt on _____"? And Wind Raiders, anyone?)
But I don't think we can go so far as to say for certain that they knew what the final size was going to be while Scott was showing off the "HUUUUUUGE" size of the foam mockup.
Regardless, IMO there is definitely some incompetency there, and that it continues to be unaddressed only tells me how small potatoes MotU is in Mattel's eyes, which is the biggest shame of them all.
Yea, feeling a bit bumbed here too. I don't think I'll cancel, because I just REALLY want a CG for my MOTUC colection, even if it is undersized. It does still look very nice. I would have no problem with cutting basically all the accessories other than the Robot, Flag, turrant gun, throne, and computers... and the floor base to add some overall height for more head room inside. The Wind Raider base is just horrible. Like someone else said, if you do use it, the Wind Raider will make the castle look stupid small...not to mention it eats up all the space that would otherwise be used for displaying the actual FIGURES! Just dumb. One of Scott's worst calls yet.
I'm really bummed about it too, which is why I'm so mad about the whole thing. I REALLY wanted that castle he promised us. And I REALLY believed he would deliver. This castle fiasco just leaves me feeling completely duped by Mattel, and it's both angering and saddening to me.
I mean, I get that factory costs, raw material costs, all that stuff fluctuates, but if that's your BUSINESS, if you work in the industry, and have Mattel "world class" resources at your disposal, I think an educated estimate for what a plastic toy should cost is the least, the absolute bare minimum, that should be expected.
I also don't buy the argument about production numbers, because this is Castle Grayskull, and I truly believe they could make DOUBLE the number of pre-orders and bring 'em to conventions a batch at a time and sell 'em out. I'm sure tons of people walking con floors don't know about the MOTUC line, and then others who would balk at shipping costs on the thing, and on and on.
FugLeeFaces seems to see it one way, I see it another. I think we see what we want to see.
I dont' know why I'm back in here still talking about size. But looking at this comparison, you start to get a sense of the size... As much as anyone can with a photo. You still have to recognize how it feels in 3D space. We've all been collecting for how long? Why do we still fall for photo trickery?
Not saying D-Nizzy is trying to fool anyone, it's just difficult to really get a true sense of scale from four photos taken from four different sources in four different locations. Looking at it, I kinda think the vintage caslte needs to be a little smaller maybe? I could be wrong, it's tricky basing it on the Classics figures sizes.
You have to recognize that 200X set is thin, square, and the sides only go back 10" Maybe? I don't know off hand, but I have it at home, my kids play with it regularly, and it's big enough for what it is.
Having seen the prototype in person, it's that much taller and wider for sure than the 200X castle, AND the whole other wall is that same front dimension going back.
Can't stress it enough, it's huge. It feels huge. And I hope Scott's plan to have one at SDCC that people can play with, interact with comes to be because IMO, it's a game changer for sure on the size of this thing.
That plus the hope of the jaw bridge being adjusted so figures fit easily through? Win! (Just my opinion mind you.)
Listened to The Geek Shall Inherit podcast recently and heard Daniel and Jason talking about Grayskull. Two guys that 1. Jason doesn't get into MotU and he admits that, 2. Daniel was also older for MotU back in the day but does love and collect the new line, they both bring up the fact again that I think some people like to overlook... We're getting Castle Freakin' Grayskull. This is unheard of! There isn't another 6" Scale line out there that is getting anything like this. One might try to argue the Turtles sewer playset, but the argument tends to fall down due to the heavy use of cardboard and lack of dimension on that playset.
I'm still as excited as day one upon hearing that this Playset is green lit.
Yes there have been disappointments along the way, but for me they've been very minor disappointments, certainly not enough to shadow everything else that is working so well for this Castle to beat all other castles.
And I thought I was done talking about it. :hmlol:
I have no doubt that in person it looks much more impressive (heck, most of the figures I thought I would not like, such as Netossa, are way cooler when you have them in hand). However, it's just not $250 impressive. For $250 I could make a really kick-butt facade of my own to place my figures in front of. Heck, there are a number of people who could custom make me a really cool display piece for $250.
And let me add that at the fair this thing was made in resin, which tends to be thicker than final production plastic. For all we know the final thing will be as thin as the original castle, which will further take away from its feeling of size and heft.
Like Fug said. I understand the lower production run means a higher per unit cost, blah blah blah, but that's for Matty to worry about, not me (as a customer). My only decision is this, I have $250. I look around and see what $250 can buy me. Do I then feel that the Castle Grayskull is worth it. When it had a molded interior, a decent set of accessories, etc., for me, the answer was "mmmmmm...okay". In other words, even with what was promised, I was riding the fence of the $250 justification. Take that stuff away, and make the Castle smaller, and now I'm tipped to the other side of the fence.
One thing with the overall size, and comparing it to older castles, is keep in mind the castle-to-figure ratio. Sure, the new CG is still bigger than the older versions, but the MOTUC figures are also bigger. My vintage He-Man easily clears the drawbridge of the vintage CG. My MOTUC He-Man needs a "warning: low clearance" sign on the new CG.
Given Matty/TG's track run, anything that says "there's a 75% chance we can do this", I will assume won't happen. When things that were allegedly certain are being taken away, why would I think something with a 75% chance would make it?
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I would. I'm not seven anymore, so I'm not going to be playing with the thing on a regular basis. When I get it, I would open it, check out all the features, take some pictures, and then place it on a shelf (if I can find room). In other words, even a "playset" is ultimately a display piece for me. So yea, I would rather spend $250 on a well done facade than $250 on a lackluster playset. Or to put it another way, I'd rather spend $120 on an awesome looking CG statue by Icon Heroes than $250 on a clamshell "playset" that isn't in very good scale anyways.
Seriously though... I hope you get to see it in person before canceling your order, if you haven't already.
I recognize it doesn't measure up for a lot of people, I get that.
But my view on this is simple, don't underestimate the power of seeing something like this in person. Photos never do these things justice. You have to recognize that everyone that has seen it in person expresses basically the same opinion that it's plenty big.
Oh yeah Mega makes the same point...
Yes it was a prototype, with SLIGHTLY thicker walls. But I don't believe it will be enough to make it feel smaller.
The outside of the wall sets the size, not the thickness or area of the inside walls. If anything it will feel more OPEN on the inside with the walls thinning slightly.
I'm pretty happy with the play set, it seems to be pretty darn close to the mock up. I was trying to create an image that was a little closer than some of the ones I've seen (there are a couple out there that make it look like it's half the size ofthe mock up.) Basically I just made all of the He-Man figures the same size in all of the pictures and made Trap-jaw 3/4" smaller. It's not perfect, but it's pretty close. It would be great if they displayed a vintage play set next to the classics at SDCC. I think the vintage one looks like complete ass compared to the new one.
Kuzeh, to your point, YES. For $250 I could get the "best freakin' facade evar!" and it would fit my needs exactly. It could be custom set into my wall, for example, or built into a shelf. $250 buys a LOT. This $250 playset is not giving me a lot of anything other than grief.
Oh...and even if I did play with it, what am I going to do? Have He-Man walk around cursing about bumping his head every time he walks through the front door? Oh, I know! I could have figures fall into the first floor of the castle, conveniently missing the dungeon, and unable to see who is being kept behind the bars. Of course, they'll have problems getting around the Wind Raider parked inside. :hmwink:
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Then it doesn't really affect you if it's 6' tall or 10" then?... :hmroll:
Why would a toy give you grief? Just cancel the damn thing and move on... :sklol:
Get one of the shells already available and be done with it...
As for the other shells already available....those are crappy and don't even have the benefit of looking nice, so why would I do that? :hmroll:
To be honest, I don't really care if I don't get a castle of any type. I really like the figures. I like the figures a lot. I don't need a castle, and my money will be better spent elsewhere if this thing does not live up to Scott's original hype.
But, moving on, I hope the castle is a success because maybe it will open the door to getting a Battle Ram or Roton and any number of vehicles.