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  • Classic Flimation

    87 32.58%
  • She-Ra

    27 10.11%
  • NA He-Man

    7 2.62%
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    146 54.68%
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    MYP had a much more cohesive, threaded story. There was backstory, spanning a millenia, there was new threats added..

    Some character building was sacrificed, but I liked how it moved along and told a more serial-type story. I just wish we could have gotten a proper end to it.


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    I had to vote with my head, not my heart, and go for the MYP series: obviously higher quality, better as an unfolding saga. It's just a shame it finished so soon; imagine what could have been done if they'd had 130 episodes
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    MYP, while I enjoyed the old cartoon as a kid, I can hardly watch a complete episode now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicasino
    MYP, while I enjoyed the old cartoon as a kid, I can hardly watch a complete episode now.

    I think that the classic cartoon was good for it's time but it could never compete with the MYP today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianatarms
    I think that the classic cartoon was good for it's time but it could never compete with the MYP today.
    Sure, it was great for me when I was 3 or whatever, but today the only thing that I feel for it is nostalgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicasino
    Sure, it was great for me when I was 3 or whatever, but today the only thing that I feel for it is nostalgia.
    I agree it's a great base for the MYP Cartoon and history of the MOTU universe.
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    The original is the best.I feel that everything about the classic is far superior.I was very disappointed with the new toon.

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    Let's look at both shows at face value. Following this procedure, let us look at both shows at a deeper level.

    FACE VALUE:

    Old show: poor continuity, overly comical, pure cheese.

    New show: Solid continuity, continuing storyline, good plot development.

    That's done. Now let us penetrate the deeper hearts of the shows.

    Old show: Powerful atmosphere, intriguing mythology, creation of artists intent on delivering the most effective and powerful mythology possible.

    New show: Lack of atmosphere, lack of mystery and enchantment, creation of big business people wanting to make money from promoting a toy product.

    The result: To the materialists among us, new show wins hands down. To those of us with a soul, the old show's mythology and atmosphere shines through its facade of cheesiness.

    Verdict: Artistic value 1, capitalism 0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosquitor
    New show: Lack of atmosphere, lack of mystery and enchantment, creation of big business people wanting to make money from promoting a toy product.
    You really mean that? I mean, the few classic episodes I've rewatched were commercials for toys as well, the Strydor episode sucked big time! THAT was a commercial to sell toys...
    The new cartoon was superior, it was still far from perfect, but I think it's better than the old show. And it only lasted 39 episodes, so much more could have happened...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicasino
    You really mean that? I mean, the few classic episodes I've rewatched were commercials for toys as well, the Strydor episode sucked big time! THAT was a commercial to sell toys...
    The new cartoon was superior, it was still far from perfect, but I think it's better than the old show. And it only lasted 39 episodes, so much more could have happened...
    It was the case with some of the old episodes, but my point is really that when watching the old show you start to forget about the toys entirely, whereas with the new one I couldn't get the toys out of my head. I would disagree that the Stridor episode was a pure toy commercial, that episode was actually an origin story for The Sorceress, they just put Stridor in it for convenience's sake.

    I was drunk when I made the previous post so I probably came across as being a little more condescending towards the new show than I meant to be, I generally regard it as almost equal in standard (to quote a post I made a while back: the new show had everything the old show lacked, but it also lacked everything the old show had). Although the storylines were generally superior I felt the new show had a feel of being rushed, so despite the generally high quality of the plots, the episodes had little atmosphere to them and the show lacked the sense of mystery and enchantment that made the old one so good. In the old show Eternia was the forefront of the series, it was the place we were led to explore in every episode. In the new show Eternia was just the backdrop to the conflict, and it was just a generic fantasy-land at best with nothing particularly distinctive about it.

    I feel that if we were to combine the fantasy and mystery of the old series with the more coherent plotlines of the new, we would have the ultimate He-Man series we've always needed but never quite got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosquitor
    Let's look at both shows at face value.
    Interesting analysis Mosquitor. Let me add my two cents.

    Filmation series:
    Last 130 episodes
    one of the highest rated kids shows in the 80s
    helped spawn a national He-Man craze mentioned in films like Ghostbusters II and is still discussed on lame VH1 specials
    helped garner a float for He-Man in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade
    gave birth to a over 90 episode Spin-off series
    sparked enough interest in He-Man to make TWO theatrical film releases: SOTS AND the less than admirable MOTU movie
    Played in reruns for years

    MYP series:
    Lasted less than 50 episodes (That's less than Filmation's She-Ra Spin-off)
    On tv for less than 3 years
    Has yet to be played in re-runs
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    NA has always been my favourite MOTU cartoon, for continuity and characterisation I think it was the best of any series, and it has my favourite ever incarnation of Skeletor. I love all the MOTU cartoons however, and have recently developed a strong liking for She Ra, possibly placing it my number two cartoon next to NA.

    But if it werent for the classic toon I would never have started watching NA in the first place, and I think out of all the series it probably has the most watchability as there are so many episodes and they can all be very different.

    The MYP series was superb in my opinion, I dont know why people say it doesnt have character development. They had whole episodes exploring characters like The Sorceress, Teela, Mekanek, Man E Faces, Orko, Evil Lyn, Tri Klops etc. And the continuity was good, its true they didnt develop every character, but there were planning on more episodes so they were going to have more stuff going on than what we saw. Had the series been finished, I believe it would have been the best cartoon of the lot.
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    Have to go with MYP. It's the series that got me into joining the forums. All those cartoon talkback threads back in the day. But overall I loved it cause it had fantastic character designs, better & more event-driven story plots & fantastic animation all combined into one.

    Sure there were certain eps I didn't care about (Of Machines & Men, Deep End & the Island) but the rest of the series was fantastic.

    Classic He-man is a very close second followed by She-ra.
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    I chose She-Ra because that is the one that I am most into watching now, at this moment, but it's hard to choose because I love them all, well except for NA, so far I only "like" it, no "love"...yet anyway.
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    I really like the MYP version, but I have to vote for the Classic because that is where my love of MOTU started.

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    My favorite is she-ra.

    He-man is a joke and has virtually no explanations for big moments and little moments. It really doesn't explain why skeletor wants grayskull and even though he has proven that he could take over the kingdom in various episodes, he still just gives that up and tries to go after grayskull. Also they never really explain when/how adam got the sword of power, which is a pretty important part of the show. Skeletor aims to high and is such a joke villain that I only watch the classic he-man in order to laugh at it. Of course the fighting is horrible, but thats to be expected. He-man also always lets skeletor and his minions go, even though he has more than enough time to put them in jail (or something). This makes me question whether he-man is truly trying to save the universe.

    I started watching MYP he-man when I was twelve and it had good fighting, but it was just plain bad until CoE and the snakemen's arrival. The beginning episodes had nothing to do with the story and were extremely useless to the show, the only villains were skeletor's minions who were all idiots except of evil-lyn and triklops(and even villains like marzo and webstor, who were independent bad guys, didn't even get that much screen time even though they probably should have). Skeletor constantly lost (again), but at LEAST he had a pretty good reason for getting into grayskull (....okay...he had a REASON to get inside grayskull and there is an ACTUAL origin of how adam got the sword). There were also way too many good guys while all the bad guys were idiots, and I remeber that I stopped watching the show when it came out before CoE since it was pretty obvious that the bad guys didn't have a snowball's of a chance in beating he-man (I just recently finished the series on youtube). So the snakemen and CoE were really good arcs, but because the beginning was so useless to the show it just ruined the series. (although I can just sum this whole thing up if you people look at my sig of skeletor...thats just were I started getting 'if-y' of the show.)

    She-ra, on the other hand, had an entire movie dedicated to how she got the sword. Her backstory is very cool too, the fact that she used to be evil brings up some intruiging questions and plot line. The Horde has to be one of the coolest organizations; the very fact that they have actually conquered the world is simply amazing and also a new concept in a show (unlike he-man where they are just some random wannabe villains who want power instantly in order to take over the world....seriously...it seems like the masters just let the villains go so that they can humiliate skeletor and beat him over and over again). Hordak is basically a dictator and the rebellion are the ones who have the least amount of power, these people are striving for a better world and have a true purpose for defeating this evil (once again, unlike he-man where it is just a bunch of guys causing trouble...there is no real liberation or goal in defeating them..). Also Hordak isn't the only villain; Horde Prime is a much higher bad guy and seriously is one of the coolest (the concept that they two may be related somehow is also very interesting, and prince zed has some potential too). The animation is a little better, and there aren't that many female heroes (even in anime) so this woman is seriously awsome.

    Unfortunately I haven't seen much of NA He-man, but I think eveyone will agree that skeletor was just plain stupid, despite the good animation of the show in general.

    She-ra isn't perfect, hell there are many flaws within the show. First of all Hordak used to be a pretty serious/intelligent villain, but overtime he just became an idiot. Horde Prime was not given the amount of potential he truly deserves. Bow looked gay. And the explanation of how Madame Razz and Kowl knowing she-ra is a mystery. But because of the amount of story and backround information on not just the good guys but also the villains, more than makes up for these mistakes. Although they are still noticable. Either way, she-ra has much more story, purpose (and explanations whether this be for backstory or just certain battle situations or the different Horde machinery. For example it may seem cheap that the Horde uses 'freeze rays' but Hordak has said a couple of times that he wants to 'deal with the rebels himself' which implies that he wanted to publically execute them or something. Also it may seem stupid that the troopers were so bad but in many instances it is said that Horde Prime sends Hordak bad troopers (OMG an friggen explanation) which Horde Prime probably does this on purpose for whatever reason, probably to test Hordak's dictatorship and power), and a lot more serious.
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    I really can't decide.

    I love the Filmation series of both He-Man and She-Ra.

    And the MYP series is what got me back into He-Man and had some very fine moments.

    New Adventures isn't really my thing. Although in the holidays I'm going to try and get into it.

    But as for picking a favourite. I think I'll come back.

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    Filmation hands down!


    P.S. Of course the MYP version is gonna win since you guys have this thread in the New Maters Forum!
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    Obviously Filmation.
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    It's gotta be the Mike Young cartoon for me.
    It's the closest we ever got to the perfect MOTU as far as I'm concerned.

    There are epsiodes of the Filmation show that wipe the floor with MYP but it's only a hand full against 65% of MYP toons that were excellent.

    I actually have a tough time watching She-ra and New adventures.
    Not sure if I can get through them all.

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    Original series will always be my favorite, the New Adventures of He-man was good yet different (i like the figures), but the 2002-04 series was the most creative, imaginative and it widened my creativity (comic books were great too). Not really big on She-Ra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosquitor View Post
    Let's look at both shows at face value. Following this procedure, let us look at both shows at a deeper level.

    FACE VALUE:

    Old show: poor continuity, overly comical, pure cheese.

    New show: Solid continuity, continuing storyline, good plot development.

    That's done. Now let us penetrate the deeper hearts of the shows.

    Old show: Powerful atmosphere, intriguing mythology, creation of artists intent on delivering the most effective and powerful mythology possible.

    New show: Lack of atmosphere, lack of mystery and enchantment, creation of big business people wanting to make money from promoting a toy product.

    The result: To the materialists among us, new show wins hands down. To those of us with a soul, the old show's mythology and atmosphere shines through its facade of cheesiness.

    Verdict: Artistic value 1, capitalism 0.
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    I could write pages of pros and cons for each (though mostly 'cons' for NA. Anyway!...).

    Although I always longed for a cartoon more in keeping with the early barbarian mythos, I think the original Filmation cartoon is generally the best. Yes, it had it's downpoints (such as silly He-Man feats, and being a bit childish in later episodes), but I as I've said on other similar threads, it had the most 'heart' to it. The characters felt real and you cared what happened to them. Some of the later stories really let things down, but as a whole it was well-written, with some really enjoyable tales. And while the MYP version was more fleshed out in some respects, the original had a lot of depth and history and background to it, which is one of the things that made the series so attractive to many, including myself.

    MYP had it's very good points, but I think it had a number of weak stories that let it down, many of which were blatant 'one big commerical' for the latest toy release(s) that were dragged out for the entire episode, with little real substance and rather boring. I liked the story arcs and how everything wasn't effictivley re-set at the end of each episode, but some of the "one big battle" stories really let the series down (a couple I've barely watched since the day I recorded them).
    And while having a more fleshed out background, which was great, the characters just felt shallower and more two dimensional, and just hard to care about as much. The main instance was He-Man himself, who had little real personality comparered to the Filmation version, and was hard to really warm too.
    I liked how the serious-ed up the villains (one of the big flaws of the original - too many 'goofy' villains) and made them more of a threat, but what it gained there, it lacked in things being really mysterious and magical (Castle Grayskull and The Sorceress, for example, really fell flat in the new version IMO), and lacked the warmth of it's central core of Heroic Warrios (Adam, Teela, Duncan, Cringer and Orko) actually being likable; It just didn't have as much heart. Characters like Teela, who in the original was really strong and likable, here was just irritating.
    I loved how they tried to give the series much more scope, but many (most?) of the backstories fell rather flat compared to some of the wonderful previous versions. I would have loved to have seen the scope of the new version, but more in the story style of the original, both Filmation and pre-Filmation (mini-comics, etc.).
    The animation was far superior (well, you'd hope it would be after 20 years!), but at the same time I didn't like how so much of it was exagerated, both in terms of character design, and physical feats (people flying miles through the air, etc.). They'd made it somehow less realistic.
    Despite all those minuses, I did like the 200x series (well, any MOTU is good MOTU), but I think the Filmation version has far more pros.

    Quote Originally Posted by Epicasino View Post
    MYP, while I enjoyed the old cartoon as a kid, I can hardly watch a complete episode now.
    See, I'm the opposite. I can still watch most of Filmation's offerings over and over, whereas the MYP version in comparison I seldom dip into unless I'm specificially looking for something. Bar a couple of the best episodes ("The Power of Grayskull", for example), a lot of the episodes have very little appeal for repeat viewings in my eyes.

    By the way, I wonder if voting would be more in favour of Filmation if this had been posted on the classic cartoon forum? I have a feeling it may well be.
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