The Official "Console War" and Video Game Thread

[AeroStratos88]

The battery is replaceable the other article that came out about this nullified that by asking how difficult is it for a consumer to undo a couple screws and replace it.

Answer it's not. You can replace the battery in an IPOD the problem came when the service fee and the battery cost more than a new Ipod. So that wasn't the excuse and it's not a problem they've fixed yet.

Theres already talk about 3rd party battery replacement packs.

All this equals more suppourt from third parties. They are gonna make a battery and a Rumble controller, which means nothing cause the game tells the controller when to rumble and if it's not in a first party controller highly likely they will even program it into the game.

I've replaced EVERY battery that's come in EVERY one of my NES karts from the NES to N64 it's not hard to change a battery.

[shigsy2003]

First they did it to the Japanese market and now Nintendos doing it to the US.

GameCube Zelda:TP won't be at retail in US either

We are gathered here today to mourn the loss of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for the Nintendo Gamecube, we hardly knew ye.

Joystiq has confirmed with numerous Gamestop and EB Games retailers that the Gamecube version of the newest Zelda offering has been removed from their computer system. Their websites have also been updated to reflect the change. We have yet to receive any official word from Nintendo, but all signs point to this as a done deal.

Get out the pine box and some nails, prepare to bury your Gamecube. It's over. The Gamecube is dead, long live the Wii.

Unless -- Nintendo announces they'll offer Zelda:TP from their online outlet like they will in Japan.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/19/ze...be-is-no-more/

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/11/ga...only-in-japan/

Howdy

Gadzooks, don't tell me this is going to happen in Europe as well. Grrr Nintendo why are you going to force us to play Twilight Princess on the Wii? Some of us want the classic controls. Choice is a good thing.

See when things like this happen I want to hurt Nintendo. Really. Removing choice is one of the most annoying things in world, we already have almost no choices in life as it is never mind with video games.

Imbeciles

Chris M

[Prince Adam's Dad]

we already have almost no choices in life as it is never mind with video games

Don't you think you are being a little melodramatic? Life is full of choices. You get out of it what you put into it.

[mannyscollectibles]

Off topic...can anyone give me tips for Wii launch day. Im planning on perhaps going to Best Buy which opens at roughly 11 AM. Should i be there at midnight?...Perhaps 5 AM on Sunday? I dont want to be there too early and having to wait in the freezing cold for 11 hours if i get there at midnight. This would be my first attempt at getting a system on launch day so any tips is greatly appreciated. Help? Anyone?

[D-Day V1]

What was the point of that commercial?

[Motucollector83]

First they did it to the Japanese market and now Nintendos doing it to the US.

GameCube Zelda:TP won't be at retail in US either

We are gathered here today to mourn the loss of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for the Nintendo Gamecube, we hardly knew ye.

Joystiq has confirmed with numerous Gamestop and EB Games retailers that the Gamecube version of the newest Zelda offering has been removed from their computer system. Their websites have also been updated to reflect the change. We have yet to receive any official word from Nintendo, but all signs point to this as a done deal.

Get out the pine box and some nails, prepare to bury your Gamecube. It's over. The Gamecube is dead, long live the Wii.

Unless -- Nintendo announces they'll offer Zelda:TP from their online outlet like they will in Japan.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/19/ze...be-is-no-more/

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/11/ga...only-in-japan/

Dont get the shovels out yet. You might want to check that again. it's still on camecube.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

First they did it to the Japanese market and now Nintendos doing it to the US.

GameCube Zelda:TP won't be at retail in US either

We are gathered here today to mourn the loss of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for the Nintendo Gamecube, we hardly knew ye.

Joystiq has confirmed with numerous Gamestop and EB Games retailers that the Gamecube version of the newest Zelda offering has been removed from their computer system. Their websites have also been updated to reflect the change. We have yet to receive any official word from Nintendo, but all signs point to this as a done deal.

Get out the pine box and some nails, prepare to bury your Gamecube. It's over. The Gamecube is dead, long live the Wii.

Unless -- Nintendo announces they'll offer Zelda:TP from their online outlet like they will in Japan.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/19/ze...be-is-no-more/

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/11/ga...only-in-japan/

Wow, that does suck. I hope that they manage to release it, even if only as a Nintendo online exclusive.

While I have the Wii version reserved and plan to get it, I was still hoping to have the option of the GCN version. It was a bit much to buy two copies in the immediate future, but I was planning on possibly getting the GCN version after Christmas when I have more money (for 2 reasons - to play with a classic style controller, and just because it would look cool having a total of 5 Zelda disc titles for my GCN all sitting next to each other).

I hope it at least becomes an online exclusive. If it does, I will just order it right away to have that version as well.

Nintendo really shouldn't back out on this now after promising to release it on GCN.

As in favor of the big N as I am, this is the kind of thing that will upset a lot of people and make them drop down a few notches in my eyes.

[Dragon Ranger]

Twilight Princess rumors: Untrue.

[UPDATE] Since this story went live, Nintendo has contacted several online media outlets, including Joystiq, to deny the GC Zelda has gone the way of the dodo. "Online reports about the Nintendo GameCube version of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess are incorrect. The amazing game will be available at retail outlets nationwide on December 13," a rep reportedly said.

[AeroStratos88]

[Update: 1) Nintendo's PR company is attempting to confirm the information. 2) Some Gamestop and EB Games employees say the reason the game is no longer in their computer system or online is that pre-orders have been maxed out. Apparenly once the company stops taking pre-orders, they remove the game from their computer system entirely. 3) As previously reported, even if the Gamecube version -- the system the game was originally developed for many moons ago -- still comes out at retail, gamers will still be forced to wait until December 11. A full three weeks after the Wii version is released. 4) Nintendo of Europe has apparently confirmed that the game will retail normally there saying, "It's a safe bet to assume the US will be doing the same as us - a full release, though it will be printed in smaller numbers than the Wii version.]

[Update 2: Nintendo's official statement: Online reports about the Nintendo GameCube version of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess are incorrect. The amazing game will be available at retail outlets nationwide on Dec. 13.]

-------------------------------------------------
Good since Zelda is my favorite franchise. And I was gonna get this on Cube since that's where it was always intended. But given that they pulled it in Japan peoples worries were not unfounded.

[WHAT A GUY]

Joystick are against Nintendo so they will try any smear campaign...

In Australia though TP for the GC will only be available from EB stores... Not that it really matters as there are only a few stores that sell GC games anyway.

[foots_mcgee]

Well, that sucks. I mean, it really REALLY sucks.

I know it may seem odd to many, but when I think about my game systems, I do try to think in terms of still having them like 10 to 20 years from now. Now, granted, there's no guarantee how long they will work and what parts will be available long after they are no longer the current system. Plus, by that time I will likely be playing what the current systems will be in the future, and therefore will play the older ones here and there.

But none the less, I prefer the concept of a removable/replacable battery. It is possible that years down the road, 3rd party companies who are aiming fora niche market may make replacement batteries for the controllers (not completely unlike the wave of generic NES systems that have come out recently to play original NES games).
3rd party companies may still make products to keep your old systems running.

Plus, with Xbox 360, the worse case scenario is that if there is no decent rechargable batter options, you can still use the standard AA's. Its not perfect, but at least it will work.

So, not being able to replace the battery really messes up that plan. It's fine that the battery is inside of the controller. But it would be nice if it could easily be removed with a screw driver or something for replacement, and it would be nice if AA's or some kind of standard battery could work as an option with it.

This "problem" is really overhyped already. More than likely the battery will last the lifetime of the system and you won't ever have to worry about it. The chances of something going wrong with the battery and it malfunctioning early are not significanlty greater than any other electrical or mechanical failure you might run into with your controller.

The reason it isn't replaceable is that it isn't easy to replace due to the type of battery it is. It isn't as simple as replacing two AA batteries. Personally I'd prefer the battery type they are using because as I've said I'll probably never have to worry about it.

Want an example?

1000 charges on a lithium battery until it loses 20% effciency. 30 hrs per charge. 30 thousand hours of gaming.

If you used your PS3 controller 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for one year, you'd use 8,736 hours of controller life. That doesn't included downtime for charging.

It would take almost four years of non stop gaming for your controller to lose 20% efficiency, and probably another two years for the loss of charge to become noticeable.


Comparing it to an IPod battery isn't really fair either seeing as an IPod consumes alot more power than a wireless controller. Which in turn requires more charging which in turn lowers the life expectancy of a battery.

Perhaps it isn't replaceable because A) They expect very few to ever die before the controller is stopped being used and B) Replacing the battery is not simple and could even be hazardous. =/

[hemanrep]

Lots of cool information on the PS3 today. Glad there will be a pack-in Blue Ray movie. Also good to hear there isn't a power brick ala the 360, although with the design of the console, I wasn't expecting an external one.

Looks like I will be dropping some money on the PS3 come launch day...I just pray to GOD that I don't get a messed up console. I've averted the 360 fiasco, so I'm hoping my luck will stick with me. **crosses fingers** I probably already jinxed myself.

[AeroStratos88]

Sony tells GameIndustry.biz that they will replace PS3 controllers "when and if" they die. As reported yesterday the PS3 controller does not have a replaceable battery pack. The controllers were designed to be play and toss at $49.99 USD when the lithium battery degraded to the point where it could no longer recharge.

A Sony spokesperson said, "The latest generation of Lithium Polymer batteries hardly suffer any memory effect at all, so it'll be many years before there's any degradation in terms of battery performance." And with Sony expecting the PS3 life-cycle at 10 years we're hoping they'll be efficient in their replacement procedure.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=20528

And Joystiq is Anti everything. That's why they have sections for all 3 consoles that deal with just news *usually positive for each system. Joystiqs main page seems to just be there to incite flame wars and get hits.

MAN O MAN! I can't even describe what they just did. Feast your eyes on this. That second video was totally unexpected. I'm sure MS will join suite next.



Notice they are playing it on a projector which means no sensor bar! Priceless.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...article&id=545

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...article&id=543

[shigsy2003]

Howdy

Oh okay, Zleda is still going to be rekased normally over here on the Cube. Excellent

Still has there been a date for its release in Europe? If America are getting it on 13th December, when are we?

Chris M

[TheDeviot]

THE SWORD OF A THOUSAND TRUTHS EXISTS

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154421

Larger Xbox Harddrive coming to the 360 Someday

Electronic Arts tells folks do uninstall a critical update. Gamers say WTH? Here

EA putting spyware in your PC (Possibly 360) games? Say wha--?

Interview with Sony's KazHirai

1up discusses the controversy with Starforce a bit more

[AeroStratos88]

Downloaded PS1 games will play on both the PSP and PS3. I know it was hoped and rumoured but now it's officially confirmed.

Sony's Phil Harrison detailed plans to make most of the PlayStation (PS1) catalogue available for download on PlayStation 3 -- in addition to PSP.

Console wars in pictures. Kinda cool.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06...ampaign_id=ds1

Twillight Princess on Game Cube in Europe Dec. 15 and the Wii version Dec. 8
Don't qoute me but everytime I say things it usually pans out.

Yeah MS announced a 100 GB HD but if the 20GB HD cost 100 bucks how much is this thing gonna cost.

[hemanrep]

The controller batteries WILL die; nothing lasts forever and I doubt Sony will replace them. Can't believe everything you hear, right? By the way, that Zelda news which wasn't really news...is wrong.

Funny how you mock the sensor bar...I had to bite my tongue for me to not complete this sentence.

Sony had a big PS3 conference today, and they released a fact sheet comparing the next-gen consoles. Looks like they need some fact checkers!



That's hilarious.

[AeroStratos88]

Theres no mocking involved. I simply don't want it nor does it fit in my living room or game room.



I hadn't seen the box before I don't think. Man that thing is a Monster. Or he's a tiny guy.

[hemanrep]

Don't want it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

Sony Uncertain of PS3 Shipment Targets
One exec admits the company is having "production issues."

October 20, 2006 - Even as it slashed its annual profit forecast this week, predicting a drop of 35 percent, the company officially stood by its intention to ship six million PlayStation 3 units worldwide by March. At launch, the company has said it expects to ship 400,000 PS3s in North America and 100,000 in Japan.

Despite official confidence, however, at least one Sony executive is suggesting that the company may not meet its targets.

Speaking to Bloomberg, SCEA co-chair Jack Tretton admitted that the launch figures, which some see as already relatively low, are not a given. "The honest answer is it's more of a target," he said. "Clearly we've had production issues."

Sony launches the PlayStation 3 in North America on November 17. With PS3s in short supply, competing systems may be more tantalizing. Nintendo will debut its Wii console days after the PS3 ships, while Microsoft's Xbox 360 enters the holidays with a year's head start.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740720p1.html

Looks like the 8 people who preordered the PS3 at EB/GameStop, only 2 or 3 will get it on launch day. I predict another 360 fiasco coming.

This will come of some surprise to prospective PS3 owners considering that Sony have also announced that the console will not ship with a component cable, let alone any HDMI hook-up, meaning buyers wanting to view their PS3 in full-high-def glory must fork out even more cash for the privilege.

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35240

[AeroStratos88]

If you have a TV with HDMI. 9 out of 10 chances are you bought a DVD player with an HDMI hook up and that's what your using the HDMI for. The other thing would be a reciever. Now heres the kicker MOST HDMI DVD players out there don't come with an HDMI cable. And most recievers you geussed it don't come with it either but rather a digitial coaxial.

So if you have a TV with HDMI and you have a device that uses it most likely a DVD player you will already have a HDMI cable. And geuss what the PS3 plays DVDs. See how that works out. Who'da thunk it. Not only that. But if you have an HDMI DVD player chances are it's cause it upconverts the picture. But they only upconvert to 1080i. But the PSP will do it to 1080p. So there you go.

And I won't buy a Wii. Till it comes out in Black. And one of 2 things happen theres a Mario game or SSMB Brawl comes out which ever of the games comes out first. Theres nothing on the Wii that's not on another system or not coming very soon to other systems not counting first party which is very lite, wii sports and Excite truck. Zelda is gonna be on the GC. No Pokemon in the US, No Metroid, Mario, or Smash Bros. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl hasn't even come out in the US yet and so that means Pokemon Battle is way off. And geuss what it's the first game that's gonna utilize the Wii Online play. It's a launch title in Japan. And given how Nintendo seems to be handling Zelda over there and the way that Pokemon Diamond/Pearl did I'm betting money this is gonna be the system seller or at least the best selling software title of the Wii this season.

Nintendo needs to seriously figure out not to launch a console without a Mario game ready to go. Zelda should have already been out 2 years ago, at the very least 6 months ago when they announced they were gonna delay it again to tack on Wii functionality.

Looks like the 8 people who preordered the PS3 at EB/GameStop, only 2 or 3 will get it on launch day. I predict another 360 fiasco coming.

I don't see why they wouldn't get their PS3. Since you mis read and misqouted the article. Sony plans to ship two million PlayStation 3 players this year to the U.S. and Japan, and six million worldwide by March.

So the article is saying that they won't have 2 million units in store from November 17 to December 31. Or is it fiscal year meaning March. I wish all the best for Sony but even if they had 2 million units on shelves I don't see them selling through that. I could be wrong. But that's alot to get through in 2 months time.

Also what should be noted is that it's not Sonys problem the system production got delayed. Because they aren't the ones making the diode so they are at the mercy of the manufacturer. That's like saying if the Wii was only launching with 400,000 that theres something wrong with system if IBM some how snaffued and couldn't get the chips manufactured fast enough due to a shortage of supplies.

Bloomberg is reporting that the PS3 year-end shipment projection of 2 million units (with 1mil to 1.2mil tagged for North America) may not be possible. Sony says there is a parts shortage for the Blu-ray disc drive, so production is running behind previous forecasts.

Our favorite Sony exec, Jack Tretton, chimes in saying, "The honest answer is it's more of a target ... clearly we've had production issues."

This news comes on the heels of Sony's statement of financial issues resulting from battery recalls and price cuts of the PS3 console in Japan. Those who made pre-orders shouldn't be impacted, but gamers trying to get the console for the holidays may have an even tougher time than anticipated.

Update: Sony's Kaz Hirai told Gamespot yesterday, "All the [production] issues have been ironed out, now it's just a matter of being able to replicate the process to as many lines as possible -- which is going to help you, obviously, get as many units as possible [emphasis ours]." So what Jack meant was that earlier production issues, which have since been ironed out, may have impeded their abilities to make the initial launch "target.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...r_M&refer=home

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/20/ps...oduction-mark/

Gamespot/Kaz Hirai on Production:

GS: One of the things that is going to be heavily scrutinized is supply quantity of the PS3. We know that you guys want to make them as quick as you can but obviously you had some production issues. So how close are you to ironing out the manufacturing issues that have slowed down production so far, and when do you really expect production to ramp up?

KH: Production is ramping up for the PlayStation 3 as we speak. Obviously production has already began and we want to make sure that we keep the ramp and get the install base up as quickly as possible. We have both the Japanese market as well as the North American market to ship to, and we also need to be prepared for launch in Europe for March of next year as well. So we want to make sure that we get the ramp up as quickly as possible.

GS: How close are you guys to making that happen? I know right now you guys are cranking as hard as you can, but we're only going to get a fixed amount of consoles.

KH: All the issues have been ironed out; now it's just a matter of being able to replicate the process to as many lines as possible--which is going to help you, obviously, get as many units as possible. We're in the process of getting as many lines as possible up and running for all the components that go into the PlayStation 3.

GS: Now about the preorder program, which lasted all of about a day... Can you speak to how you guys are going to handle the demand on launch day? I mean you've heard some retailers say they're getting only eight for preorder and maybe more on launch day.

KH: Well the preorder programs are something that the retailers have really decided to do on their own initiative. Some retailers have done it. Others have decided not to. Ultimately, we're going to look at the number of units that we have in our warehouse ready to ship as we get closer to launch date. And we'll obviously communicate the initial allocation to all the retailers before we start shipping those units out.

But just as important, I think, to certainly the retailers and all the people looking to purchase a PlayStation 3 is the flow of product after [launch]. We want to make sure that we're not only communicating the initial launch allocation but also the flow after the launch as well.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160205...stnews;title;0

[shigsy2003]

Howdy

Not sure if this has been posted:

Along with the first-party games line-up, Sony America announced the US pricing of the first wave of peripherals: separate SixAxis controllers, the converter required to transfer your PSone and PS2 save games to PS3's hard drive, and a remote control for Blue-ray Disc play.

A SixAxis controller will cost $50 (about £27) - the same slightly painful pricing as an Xbox 360's wireless controller, and about twice the current US price of a DualShock 2. The Memory Card Adaptor is a more manageable $15 (about £8) and the Blu-ray remote will be $25 (about £14).

And while both versions of the US PS3 will now support HDMI output, as we previously reported an HDMI cable won't be included with the machine, so you can add that to the cost of the PS3 experience if you've already got an HDMI-ready hi-def monster telly. In the States, Sony's own-brand cables retail for around $50 (£27) but unbranded cables can be found for less than half that price.

Gamesradar Link

Again not sure if this has been posted (wonder if I will get grief this time)

Sony Reveals PS3 Pack-Ins, Pricing

At this year's SCEA Gamer's Day, Sony not only talked about the power of the PlayStation 3, but finally iterated what gamers will find inside the box and announced software and peripheral pricing. For both editions of the new console, here's what Sony is packing in:

One Sixaxis controller (with a 20 meter wireless range and 30 hours of battery life on one charge.
According to Sony it's "ready to go out of the box.")
AC cord (no external power source or brick)
USB mini-cable
Ethernet cable
Multi-AV cable with composite connectors
The box we saw pictured -- for the 60 GB edition -- had a simple black and white design. It was fairly large, however, and includes a handle.

In addition to the box contents, Sony offered a first list of prices. First party software will sell for a suggested $59.99. Peripherals available at launch include the wireless Sixaxis controller for $49.99 and a memory card adapter for $14.99. A Blu-ray player remote will be available in December for $24.99.

As a treat, the first 500,000 PlayStation 3 units shipped will include the Blu-ray edition of Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. The bonus puts the Blu-ray edition of the Will Ferrell film in customers' hands ahead of its retail release on December 12.

According to SCE president Kaz Hirai, the PlayStation 3 is in full production and coming off the line "literally as we speak."

IGN Link

Chris M

[AeroStratos88]

The Ps1/PS2 Memory Card reader is gonna be 15 bucks. The Remote is 25.

The Controller is the same price as the 360 controller. Which I am not too thrilled about. A controller should never cost the same as a game.

And most 1st party (branded) accessories cost more so the cables are no suprise esp. Since it falls in line with the market. Like Nintendo charging 50% more for their SD branded card than what is out there already. So..



If anyone cares.

SCEA launch titles (priced at $59.99 according to Gamespot):

* Resistance: Fall of Man
* NBA 07 (1080p)
* Genji: Days of the Blade

Third-party titles:

* Blazing Angels (Ubisoft)
* Call of Duty 3 (Activision)
* The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Bethesda)
* F.E.A.R. (Vivendi)
* Fight Night Round 3 (EA)
* Full Auto 2 (Sega)
* Madden NFL 07 (EA)
* Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (Activision)
* Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire (Namco Bandai)
* NBA 2K7 (2K Sports)
* Need For Speed Carbon (EA)
* NHL 2K7 (2K Sports)
* Rainbow Six Vegas (Ubisoft)
* Ridge Racer 7 (Namco Bandai)
* Sonic the Hedgehog (Sega)
* Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (EA)
* Tony Hawk's Project 8 (Activision)
* Untold Legends Dark Kingdom (SOE)

Sony also notes: "Downloadable first party games will cost less than $15 at launch."

[Dynamo of Eternia]

So, is the memory card adapter for PS1 and PS2 games needed regardless of which version of PS3 you get?

I am just curious, because I thought that the $600 version was supposed to come with memory card slots built in, but the $500 version wouldn't. I guess I could be wrong on this.

Plus, is there any way to access 2 separate game save files for PS2 or PS1 games for those that are able to read 2 memory cards at one time? If the answer is no, then that will stink, IMO (though, in all fairness to Sony, at least there is a way to transfer your old PS1/PS2 game saves to the PS3. The fact that you can't do that with Xbox and Xbox 360 really sucks).

I'm not getting PS3 at launch (mainly due to price and lack of games that I want that I can't get on the other systems), but I know I will get one eventually being the gamer that I am (despite my general distaste for Sony, sooner or later it will have exclusive content that I will want).

[hemanrep]

How did I misquote? The target is 2 million by the end of the year, 6 million by March. Tretton says it's a target, not a guarantee. Most of what Kaz has said pretty much blows, so I wouldn't believe 90% of what he says. That ratio might be exaggerated, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Microsoft did it last year, Sony could do it this year as well.

Your the person who said in the past no matter what console comes out during the holiday, it will sell out. And now you're saying it will be hard for Sony to sell 2 million units if they are on the shelves. How ironic.

As for the HDMI stuff, I won't lie and say I'm an expert on it. However, I have a (Sony) 60 inch LCD Rear Projection HDTV and I'd love to use the HDMI on it. Your assumption is that most DVD players come with some HDMI connection. Mine didn't come with a HDMI cord and my DVD player is also a receiver (Sony as well). I will have to buy it and I'm pretty sure it'll be another $20+ in addition to the remote control. I don't understand why they couldn't just add a component cable with the console; I'd bet that 50% of households don't have a television that is capable of producing 1080p (not upscaling). Including a component cable would at least help "usher in" the high definition era that they so boldly hype. Hell, I'd trade in that pack in movie for some component cables...I'm sure the price difference isn't that big seeing as Blue Ray movies should cost around 24.99-29.99.

I just wanted to prove that as much negativity you give towards the Wii, the same amount can go towards the PS3. Like I said, I'll be an early adopter of the PS3, but I definitely am not going to turn a blind eye to their stupidity.

[AeroStratos88]

So, is the memory card adapter for PS1 and PS2 games needed regardless of which version of PS3 you get?

I am just curious, because I thought that the $600 version was supposed to come with memory card slots built in, but the $500 version wouldn't. I guess I could be wrong on this.

Plus, is there any way to access 2 separate game save files for PS2 or PS1 games for those that are able to read 2 memory cards at one time? If the answer is no, then that will stink, IMO (though, in all fairness to Sony, at least there is a way to transfer your old PS1/PS2 game saves to the PS3. The fact that you can't do that with Xbox and Xbox 360 really sucks).

I'm not getting PS3 at launch (mainly due to price and lack of games that I want that I can't get on the other systems), but I know I will get one eventually being the gamer that I am (despite my general distaste for Sony, sooner or later it will have exclusive content that I will want).

Yes you will need the adapter for any version of the PS3. the end of the cable looks like the end of the cable that will be used to charge the controller. So I am assuming it's gonna work the same as the 360.

Your question confused me. But are you saying like Tekken5 and Soul Calibur III where you have a Create a Character and a profile that you would need to differentiate Player 1 from 2. If that is the case I wouldn't know why you couldn't buy 2 adapters and do it that way. Or the way you can do it now as it stands with the PS2 is access the save file from the HD and then keep the Memory card in the slot and then pull the file when prompted from there. Did I help any?

I misread I geuss. I was hit with 3 things from that didn't add up. So yeah I thought it was 6 million before years end not fiscal year which I asked in the post you responded to. It's still a big # to go from 400,000 to 6 million in a matter of 3-4 months.

I NEVER said that a system will sell out just cause it comes out at the holiday. I said it will sell regardless of price point. Everyones gripe about the PS3 was over price and I stated it will sell. Most people said they would wait for a price drop, but with 400,000 units yes the PS3 will be hard to come by this holiday season. Then you take into account that refreshes come in about February (that's about the time I remember seeing 360s everywhere all of a sudden) and they make a mad dash to sell before March ends. The first wave will sell. The second wave will sell to the people who couldn't get it the first wave and depending on how they handle the rush and what people spread word of mouth about the availability when the refreshes come before Christmas those will be snatched up. It's not about what systems better it's about perception and if people percieve something eg:Wii is in no fear of being in short supply they will buy what they percieve is the harder to find product if they come across it in the store. Most consumers aren't as savvy as most the people on this board they don't know about pre orders/launch dates/etc.

I also said it will not be hard to find a Wii cause it will still be readily available. You can't have a system sell out and still be readily available. I am not in a rush to get a Wii like I said I want it in a different color and none of the main franchises are gonna be present. Zelda is on Game Cube and we still have Super Paper Mario coming on GC. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl will be on DS as well as Phantom Hour Glass. Galaxy should have been #1 priority I'd rather have that as a launch title than Excite Truck or Sonic or Rayman this isn't a Sega system why launch with another companys mascot.

No I did not say most DVD Players come with an HDMI connection. I said if you have a TV with HDMI which would make your set an HD set then the perephrial you would have that used the HDMI port is a DVD Player that upconverts from 480p to 1080i. The HDMI Cable does not come packed in with the DVD players. They come with yep you geussed it composite cables not Component not HDMI. The Wii is also shipping sans Component cables so this isn't something new to people.

The Pack in Movie is only for the first 500,000 units. The movie (if you get one of the 400,000 launch units) you will have the movie a full month before it's released on DVD. It's also one of the first 1080bd movies So everything on the disk is in 1080p including the extras (or so it's been said, well see). I personally think the movie could have been better. This is where Sony starts pulling a Sega. Now point one is that Sony should have never came out and said the Blu Ray in the PS3 is for games and not movies and then pack in a movie. But MS is giving a pack in movie with their HD attachment for 360. So.

It would be less than 50% have a TV that can do 1080p. I have 3. I have a 40" Bravia and 46" Bravia, a 60" SXRD all do 1080p, came with a big black and Gold sticker on the front says 1080p. The first SXRD did 1080i and upconverted. But these TVs accept a true 1080p source. My HDMI Sony Dvd Player came with a blue sticker on top that says Upconverts to 1080i. I have a Projector that does 720 w/a 100" screen. The Bravias are Wall Mounted and the Projector is well a projector. That SXRD is a monster along the size of old Triniton XBRs. So like I said the motion sensing bar doesn't fit anywhere. I would have to play it on the SXRD. I can't see myself mounting it on the wall under the TV just to play it.

The PS3 gets way more negativity than Wii ever gets. Drop in the bucket really. I don't know why Sony is acting like it's Sega but I hope they learn quick.

Edit: Games bought through the PlayStation Store will be able to run on five-or-fewer systems. Of course, if you own more than five systems, you can probably afford to pay for the game again on the sixth. (Hah, we kid; you didn't get so rich by wasting money on a game you already bought.) The important application for the five-or-less rule is that you can log in to the PlayStation Store at a friend's house and re-download a game for free.

When you leave your friend's house, Sony says that you can leave the game there. If the title is an online multiplayer game, only one of you can use it at a time. But if it's an offline game, we were told that the multiple systems can continue to play it.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/20/ps...-five-systems/