Reply With QuoteWell spoken.Originally Posted by shigsy2003
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I agree, the last generation was over before it began and it was a rather underwhelming race to second, and that wasn't much of a race.
This time though Microsoft may have a fairly big lead but at the rate Wii is selling Nintendo could catch up faster than expected. And yes this time it is Sony who now has all the work to do. Making this generation something special.
Good luck to all three I say, the better the sales, the better the games and with Ninty trailing and Sony getting ready to launch Microsoft are going to be counting on at least two huge games this year with Nintendo counting on at least three.
Let the true battle commence and may the best games win.
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Well spoken.
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Well, Microsoft has it's own share of work to do. If they STILL can't get Japan fully on board, I don't see them hanging onto their current worldwide substantial lead. (Especially with the way the Wii is still selling) In 2 and a half months, the Wii has almost sold half of what the 360 has sold in 15 months. And I'd have to double check sales figures, but I'm pretty sure the 360 is already in 3rd place in Japan.....
But can the Wii's current momentum be enough to keep carrying them into the sales lead, or will it cool off significantly? If they can continue to publish fresh software and keep the virtual console releases at a healthy mixed pace, as I feel they have been doing, I think sales will continue. Not necessarily as healthy as they are right now, but while there will eventually be a cooling off point, I don't think it'll be too drastic of a dip to give away that much market share.
I just read an article the other day, (I'll have to find the link) that stated Sony claims that their manufacturing process for the cell chip has made a huge stride cost-wise, and that very soon they'll be breaking even on console sales. While still the most expensive system out there, once they get some killer must-have titles in the library, the sales will come, even before any price breaks, which they are claiming won't happen for at least 3 years.
Bottom line, I feel pretty confident that this generation will be the closest we've seen since the 16-bit era. And if the race is close, it'll be up to the big 3 to bring their A game and do what they can to try to sway the market in their favor. This can only lead to good things, as quality of software will have to be raised to get the most sales that they can. This will benefit us (the gamers) more than anyone.
I'm pumped for the future, as the only system left for me to purchase is the PS3. Once they get a game I feel is a must-have, I'll be dropping my $$$, however much it is. Right now, with Assassin's Creed going to PC & 360, Heavenly Sword being delayed, Kingdom Hearts *possibly* losing it's Sony exclusivity, Gran Turismo HD getting delayed/axed, Virtua Fighter 5 going 360, & Dragon Quest shifting to the DS, Sony CANNOT afford to lose another exclusive property. If MGS4 and/or FF13 go to the PC/360/Wii, the only exclusive franchise Sony can hold over me personally to warrant my purchase of a PS3 is God of War. Bring it on!
Just wanted to comment on the News channel since I've had time to actually use it now. I find that it is convenient enough to take a look at what's going on in Science/Technology/Entertainment. Very useful IMO. I don't look at National/International simply because I don't care for that much and it is all over TV anyways. The other stuff is harder to find so it is nice that everything is here. Sports I don't look at since I have better ways of getting sports news (3 sports channels here). One thing I don't like however is the map on the side. It takes up a lot of room that can be used for the text so that it is easier to read left to right. A little scroll bar on the right would also be nice so that you know how long the article is. Even if you can't use it to scroll through the article, it's nice to know how far down the page you are. Overall a good service though.
As for the web browser, I haven't used it much since it is way more inconvenient than a PC, but I was wondering if it is possible to get a virus on your Wii through the web browser. I'd imagine that it would have to be a Wii-specific virus for you to be infected. I doubt there's anything out there now since it is so new, but down the road do you think it would be possible for you to get a virus on your Wii? I certainly hope not.
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Me and my brother saw about 10 Wii's at various Walmarts at noon in the Des Moines Iowa area so hopefully that means more are being shipped for those who want them.
At the same time though several Targets we went to had their "Out of stock" signs up and Gamestop who is giving $50 credit if you trade in your gamecube told my brother "good luck, we are not getting any for 2 weeks" so I guess its still not in plentiful supply.
If you want cheap good Gamecube games though check Target, I got:
Battalion Wars $3.94
Pikmin 2 $7.98
Resident Evil 4 $9.99
Fire Emblem GBA $7.98
Killer 7 $3.00
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is that 10 each at the various walmarts or ten total? not that it matters seeing as I'm in Canada. haha just curious though. I'm hoping a few stores get some in this week, hopefully the rush will slow down now that it's february and the stock can be more steady.
10 total
It was 5 at one in Ankeny Iowa and then 5 at one inside Des Moines (there are like 4-7 depending if you consider the outskirts of the capital city)
And as far the cheap Target games go, some you will need to scan in their price checker. Battalion Wars said $7.98 but rung up at $3.94, Pikmin 2 said $13.98 and rung up at $7.98
I also thought this article was interesting, it brings up the notion that Sony is fighting itself again
Playstation 2 surpasses Playstation 3 in weekly sales
http://gaming.monstersandcritics.com...n_weekly_sales
I also point to this as a continuing reason as to the reason people rejoice in Sonys problems, you get the feeling that in Sony's eyes there is absolutely nothing wrong with the PS3 and the Wii is just a fad (which is may very well be)
"Meanwhile, Sony Computer Entertainment of America spokesperson Dave Karraker went on the record with the New York Times earlier this week to lump the Wii in the same category afforded to supermarket tabloids and packets of M&Ms: the impulse buy.
"Wii could be considered an impulse buy more than anything else," Karraker stated, asserting that the Playstation 3 was in a much different category than the Wii and therefore it was a case of apples and oranges to compare the two. Whether the Wii will win out with this strategy in the long-term remains to be seen, though the impulse buy of that console currently seems to have the edge over the higher price point of the heavyweight Playstation 3."
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Just to continue on from markatisu's post...
Media Create Numbers:
DSL 194,526
Wii 83,754
PSP 35,700
PS2 20,995
PS3 19,996
Xbox360 7,365
GBM 1,177
GBASP 1,023
GC 347
DS 82
GBA 34
01. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 227261 / 227261
02. (NDS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 103706 / 1026700
03. (NDS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS - 77229 / 77229
04. (NDS, Nintendo) Picross DS - 71794 / 71794
05. (NDS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 59379 / 59379
06. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 58886 / 910422
07. (NDS, Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 47350 / 138599
08. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Play - 43612 / 808425
09. (PS2, Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata - 41411 / 41411
10. (NDS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 34028 / 3902307
11. (NDS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. (NDS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
13. (NDS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. (PS2, Konami) Prince of Tennis: Doki-Doki Survival
15. (360, Bandai-Namco) The Idolm@ster
16. (NDS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. (NDS, Nintendo) English Training
19. (NDS, Nintendo) Brain Training
20. (PS2, Sega) Shining Force EXA
21. (NDS, Spike) IQ Supply
22. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
23. (NDS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
24. (PSP, Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
25. (PS2, Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3
26. (NDS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
27. (WII, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
29. (PS3, From Software) Enchanted Arms
30. (PS2, Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell
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The DS and Wii are outselling the PSP, PS3, and PS3 combined. To top that off, is it just me, or are PS3 sales dropping every week in Japan, a country who Sony was betting on just as much as the US?
Go ahead and call me a "Nintendolic" but if you go to the PS3 IGN Insider forums, it's hard to find any positive stuff there and I doubt they are "Nintendolics."
well of courase the sony guy is going to try to spin it the way he wants to make hios company look better - esp since the PS3 has been getting a lot more negative buzz now aElectric Playground actually doesn't recommend the system. anyway $300 is not quite an impulse price point. augh stop the damn spin sony and spend that time energy and creativity on bringing reasons for people to want the PS3 rather than just saying "it's blu-ray it's hi def" give us something worthwhile to DO on the damn system and do it WELL!
Judging from the up-coming european release, there's a LOT of cool things to do with the system. With games being available on Disc and for download, I'd say that's something to look forward to.
And as for Blu-Ray? It's catching up with HDDVD pretty fast and that's a big thing; especially with Sony owning most of the studios behind summer blockbusters and a huge commitment from Disney to BR.
I had to laugh at this, because there were a couple of Wii's sitting in a store just across from where I worked and I ALMOST bought one on impulse. Are you just mad because maybe he's right? After all, I thought the Gamecube...sorry...Wii was an easy console to manufacture and this was its main strength in the global war against Sony?
But here we are two months after it's release and they're just trickling into the store....Nintendo seem to be creating an artificial demand all by themselves. And if you doubt that they would do something like that, take a look at those figures for game sales.
What's with the lack of third party DS games in the charts? Dominated by Nintendo! I wonder if Nintendo suddenly telling all third party DS developers that cartridge reproduction times would be increased after October had anything to do with it? Nintendo completely screwed over the third party DS developers this Christmas, and I'm betting they'll do the same this year with the Wii.
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Well, lol, I didn't see too many negative posts there, maybe you were fishing for them perhaps?Just to continue on from markatisu's post...
Media Create Numbers:
DSL 194,526
Wii 83,754
PSP 35,700
PS2 20,995
PS3 19,996
Xbox360 7,365
GBM 1,177
GBASP 1,023
GC 347
DS 82
GBA 34
01. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 227261 / 227261
02. (NDS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 103706 / 1026700
03. (NDS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS - 77229 / 77229
04. (NDS, Nintendo) Picross DS - 71794 / 71794
05. (NDS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 59379 / 59379
06. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 58886 / 910422
07. (NDS, Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 47350 / 138599
08. (WII, Nintendo) Wii Play - 43612 / 808425
09. (PS2, Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata - 41411 / 41411
10. (NDS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 34028 / 3902307
11. (NDS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. (NDS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
13. (NDS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. (PS2, Konami) Prince of Tennis: Doki-Doki Survival
15. (360, Bandai-Namco) The Idolm@ster
16. (NDS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. (NDS, Nintendo) English Training
19. (NDS, Nintendo) Brain Training
20. (PS2, Sega) Shining Force EXA
21. (NDS, Spike) IQ Supply
22. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
23. (NDS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
24. (PSP, Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
25. (PS2, Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3
26. (NDS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
27. (WII, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
29. (PS3, From Software) Enchanted Arms
30. (PS2, Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell
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The DS and Wii are outselling the PSP, PS3, and PS3 combined. To top that off, is it just me, or are PS3 sales dropping every week in Japan, a country who Sony was betting on just as much as the US?
Go ahead and call me a "Nintendolic" but if you go to the PS3 IGN Insider forums, it's hard to find any positive stuff there and I doubt they are "Nintendolics."
I can go to the Wii board and everything isn't coming up roses either. You can also go to the gamespot forums and see all the positive threads there.
In fact, everyone is looking forward to March where a lot of good games are coming out for the PS3.
BTW, my nephew is playing more Cube games on the Wii than Wii games as he enjoys them better. But maybe he's an anamoly, like all the people who think the Wii is some sort of aerobics miracle worker.
I play more cube games then Wii games at the moment (finishing up the Cube Fire Emblem now) but that does not mean anything.BTW, my nephew is playing more Cube games on the Wii than Wii games as he enjoys them better. But maybe he's an anamoly, like all the people who think the Wii is some sort of aerobics miracle worker.
It reinforces my point earler on the PS2 issue, most people who buy a Wii probably are going to replace their gamecube (I know I did, I had 2 gamecubes) but at the moment people WONT be replacing their PS2's (not yet, not till there is probably a $100 price drop)...which is why the PS2 is beating the PS3 in sales.
It will be interesting to see the Euro launch and its numbers since Sony is already having to defend itself on price due to the VAT that increases it (and they have a valid point about people not adding sales tax in the US to the overall price, we are talking almost $50-100 more US dollars if people added in sales tax in some states)
I have seen more and more posts "Are you bored with your Wii" and I think those are just retarded, most of the games that came out were party games but solid single player games are coming out shortly.
Though I went back to both those Walmarts yesterday and the Wiis that were there were all gone so artificial shortage or not Ironman they are still selling. Reminds me of an episode of Queer as Folk on Showtime where they said the way to get people to buy something is to make them think they cant have it!
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So basically any reports stating that the PS3 isn't selling well are either grossly exaggerated or just plain untrue, and any reports staing that the Wii is selling well are either grossly exaggerated or just plain untrue?
Sure, OK. Gotcha. Thanks for the tip..
I'm not mad about anything I just get annoyed with the corporate spins. they messed up the launch right now the PS3 sucks. it's not worth the price point. will that change? It could very easily, it's more so that the sony camp is mad that they aren't in first and no one is clamouring for their brand new product now so they are looking to belittle the competition in whatever way they can. it's just like political mudslinging which bugs me too. I don't care what their pinion is on the competition make me want YOUR product instead of making me not want the other one.
Just like Pepsi ads and how they always put down Coke where as Coke ads basically act like pepsi doesn't even exist. Sell the product to me rather than downsell the competition.
As for the blu-ray thing my point on that is I don't friggin CARE about that for a gaming system, I want to play great games I want a fun and memorable experience I know it's part of the system and a selling feature but we KNOW that already what we don't know is why should we fork out $700 dollars for this damn thing future releases?? they can easily get canned or they can easily suck - you know as a game developer (as you pointed me to herdy gerdy and the getaway) that as great and promising as new software looks it can really die during development and suck.
As for the Wii being easy to make you said in an earlier post about the PS3 also being made up of off the shelf stuff overall. so what is the downside when it comes to the Wii? you don't like nintendo fine - as a gamer or as a developer it's your opinion but honestly man, if i'm going to shell out almost a grand on anything it had BETTER give me something that I enjoy. And most families most PEOPLE in general don't spend $300 on anything impulsively times are hard everything costs a lot more and wages haven't increased to reflect that - if YOU can spend that much impulsively then good for you. but really I'm sick of hearing spinning just give me some good stuff. if they want my money give me a GREAT reason to give it up. $700 can buy me a lot of stuff. dammit it's almost a month's rent!
BTW, my nephew is playing more Cube games on the Wii than Wii games as he enjoys them better. But maybe he's an anamoly, like all the people who think the Wii is some sort of aerobics miracle worker.
um it's a simple fact get your body moving you burn calories you burn enough calories you lose weight - where is the mystery behind that?? i've played it and you can get a good workout there is no "I think it can work miracles" behind it it's a simple fact that it can make aerobic exercise fun.
Again it just seems the sony fans are upset that they aren't number one right now. that could easily change because look sometimes in business you get comfortable at number one you take it for granted and the competiton gets on your ass and hands it to you. if you are smart it will teach you a lesson and in the end the consumers win out.
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You're funny. Where did I say any of that? Yup, the Gamecube2 is selling EXTREMELY well, just like the original Gamecube before it. Even I was tempted to buy one as an impulse purchase.So basically any reports stating that the PS3 isn't selling well are either grossly exaggerated or just plain untrue, and any reports staing that the Wii is selling well are either grossly exaggerated or just plain untrue?
Sure, OK. Gotcha. Thanks for the tip..
But I think Sony are spot on in saying that Nintendo are creating a false market by limiting the availability of the console. After all, everybody thought sales of PS3 were going through the roof because SO many people wanted one, but the truth was that there were barely any to buy. Nice PR right?
Nintendo have sold a lot of consoles...of that I have no doubt. But right now, all I'm hearing stories of "store x has four machines that were sold in a day". I'm sorry, but Nintendo are more than capable of shipping enough units to keep consumers happy.
They did it for launch, so what's stopping them now?
Anyhow....euro PS3 launch in March, and I've almost convinced my fiancee that I can afford a console AND the rest of the stuff for our wedding. I'll let you know about my own experiences with the supposedly steaming pile of silicon that everybody (who doesn't own one) says that it is
I'm not mad that the PS3 isn't number 1. I AM Dissapointed in Sony for severley screwing up the launch, and plain hubris though.
I think that've already tried that, but everybody seems to be EXTREMELY hostile towards Sony, no matter what they do. If they say "hey, it's powerfull" everybody says "we don't care".I don't care what their pinion is on the competition make me want YOUR product instead of making me not want the other one.
If they say they have a pad that can sense changes in orientation, everybody says "you copied nintendo. oh, and we don't care".
If Sony say "we have downloadable games" people point out that Nintendo and Microsoft do this already.
The thing about blu-ray on the PS3 is that it's not just about movies. The games REALLY need that kind of storage, and a dual-layer DVD or HDDVD just doesn't match up in that department. But I've pointed this out already, and nobody seems to care....they're all so wrapped up in this format war crap.As for the blu-ray thing my point on that is I don't friggin CARE about that for a gaming system, I want to play great games I want a fun and memorable experience I know it's part of the system and a selling feature but we KNOW that already what we don't know is why should we fork out $700 dollars for this damn thing future releases??
That is an extremely good question, and I hope that I can give you a good answer to that one. It's really about how the components are used...where Nintendo has just made the same bits faster, Sony has put them together in different ways to provide a more powerfull platform.As for the Wii being easy to make you said in an earlier post about the PS3 also being made up of off the shelf stuff overall. so what is the downside when it comes to the Wii?
The problem I have with the Wii? Nintendo are making me pay over 240 euros for something that's only worth 120 at retail. The machine costs less than 60 euros to put together. I'm not even mad that it's just an overclocked gamecube anymore...I see what they've done and I applaud them for really getting into the headspace of a new market. Good job there Nintendo!
Oh. And frankly? There's nothing I want to play on the Wii. Somebody pointed out that I hadn't played TP long enough to get into it....it's a video game, I shouldn't NEED two or three hours to START enjoying it.
I have CoH and other things on my PC if I want to get that sort of deep gameplay.
I think Nintendo make great games. I just hate working with them, because I know as soon as there is a conflict of interests, they'll screw you over. And they NEED third party developers if they don't want a repeat of the N64 and the Gamecube.you don't like nintendo fine - as a gamer or as a developer it's your opinion but honestly man,
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If you say so, but I'm sure everyone will be buying God of War 2 in March (I will be) over any PS3 game.Well, lol, I didn't see too many negative posts there, maybe you were fishing for them perhaps?
I can go to the Wii board and everything isn't coming up roses either. You can also go to the gamespot forums and see all the positive threads there.
In fact, everyone is looking forward to March where a lot of good games are coming out for the PS3.
BTW, my nephew is playing more Cube games on the Wii than Wii games as he enjoys them better. But maybe he's an anamoly, like all the people who think the Wii is some sort of aerobics miracle worker.
I'm done arguing about Wii versus PS3. Everyone can believe what they want and I'll just roll with the best games on every console, that's what I've always done, that's what I'll keep doing.
As for "fishing" for negative threads, hardly. I never go beyond the second page of any message board. Dying PS3s, Metal Gear 4 delay possibilities, fans being upset about a possible price cut coming soon (I would be too if I paid for the full price then it drops half a year later)...but yeah the Wii has a drought just like the PS3 and 360 so those might be the negative posts you see. But people see what they want to see.
Upset? No, its just asanine for Sony to have a few launch issues and then you guys want to extoll the virtues of the Wii. The Wii is a novelty. I've played it, it holds my attention for 20 minutes until I get bored with it.
And yup, I'll be buying GOW2 when it comes out but come on, Wiis have died or have tech issues as well (I dont know why the Nintendo fanboys want to paint it as something the PS3 only does). There will not be a price cut anytime soon for the PS3, do your research instead of listening to your "sky is falling" buddies and you'd see that.If you say so, but I'm sure everyone will be buying God of War 2 in March (I will be) over any PS3 game.
I'm done arguing about Wii versus PS3. Everyone can believe what they want and I'll just roll with the best games on every console, that's what I've always done, that's what I'll keep doing.
As for "fishing" for negative threads, hardly. I never go beyond the second page of any message board. Dying PS3s, Metal Gear 4 delay possibilities, fans being upset about a possible price cut coming soon (I would be too if I paid for the full price then it drops half a year later)...but yeah the Wii has a drought just like the PS3 and 360 so those might be the negative posts you see. But people see what they want to see.
I dont know why you're arguing about the Wii vs PS3 in the first place. One is a upgrade over the Gamecube and the other is actually for people who want to "play beyond."
In all seriousness though, its apple vs oranges.
Why I'm arguing? Same reason why you keep praising the PS3 and downplaying the impact the Wii is having...again, see what you want, read what you want. I could care less. It seems like I'm only arguing with you anyways...no need to pay attention to what you have to say anymore.Upset? No, its just asanine for Sony to have a few launch issues and then you guys want to extoll the virtues of the Wii. The Wii is a novelty. I've played it, it holds my attention for 20 minutes until I get bored with it.
And yup, I'll be buying GOW2 when it comes out but come on, Wiis have died or have tech issues as well (I dont know why the Nintendo fanboys want to paint it as something the PS3 only does). There will not be a price cut anytime soon for the PS3, do your research instead of listening to your "sky is falling" buddies and you'd see that.
I dont know why you're arguing about the Wii vs PS3 in the first place. One is a upgrade over the Gamecube and the other is actually for people who want to "play beyond."
In all seriousness though, its apple vs oranges.
As for no price cut, straight FROM the IGN PS3 Board:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5958
Sony is looking to 65nm production to cut costsSony considers trimming the price of its new PS3
Sony's PlayStation 3 hasn't even been on the North American market for three months, but the company is already considering a price cut on its new console. Sony trimmed the price of the most basic PS3 in Japan before it even launched and a price cut in North America could help to boost slow initial sales.
"We may look at the price as part of our strategy to expand the market when the timing is right," said Sony Senior Vice President Takao Yuhara at company headquarters. An analyst for Lazard Capital Markets suggests that the price cut could come as early as this year.
Many question, however, if Sony can pull off this feat so early in the game. Sony has seen its Q3 profits fall 5.3% from a year ago along with a $455 USD million USD loss for its games division (compared to a $556 USD million profit a year earlier). Microsoft, in comparison, witnessed a $289 million USD loss for its Entertainment and Devices division.
One must also take into consideration that according to iSuppli, Sony is losing $307 on every 20GB PS3 that it sells and $241 on every 60GB PS3. The bigger loss on the 20GB unit explains why the 60GB unit accounts for 80% of the sales mix in the United States.
A move to 65nm production could ease the pain of trimming costs on the console. Sony has recently stated that it has already started production on a number of 65nm components and has realized a 40% size reduction in comparison to 90nm components. The company is also looking to reduce the number of parts used in the PS3 to lead to even deeper cost reductions.
But what's bad for Sony will likely turn out to be good for the consumer. Most consumers don't really care if Sony is losing money on the PS3 -- all they care about is getting the Blu-ray equipped console for a lower price. If Sony is successful with its bid to lower its own costs on the console, consumers might just get their wish sooner than expected.
Again, read what you want, say what you want, I'm done arguing with you. I'm ready to discuss things with reasonable people.
Reasonable people being other Nintendoholics or Talking Mario Heads?Why I'm arguing? Same reason why you keep praising the PS3 and downplaying the impact the Wii is having...again, see what you want, read what you want. I could care less. It seems like I'm only arguing with you anyways...no need to pay attention to what you have to say anymore.
As for no price cut, straight FROM the IGN PS3 Board:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5958
Sony is looking to 65nm production to cut costsSony considers trimming the price of its new PS3
Sony's PlayStation 3 hasn't even been on the North American market for three months, but the company is already considering a price cut on its new console. Sony trimmed the price of the most basic PS3 in Japan before it even launched and a price cut in North America could help to boost slow initial sales.
"We may look at the price as part of our strategy to expand the market when the timing is right," said Sony Senior Vice President Takao Yuhara at company headquarters. An analyst for Lazard Capital Markets suggests that the price cut could come as early as this year.
Many question, however, if Sony can pull off this feat so early in the game. Sony has seen its Q3 profits fall 5.3% from a year ago along with a $455 USD million USD loss for its games division (compared to a $556 USD million profit a year earlier). Microsoft, in comparison, witnessed a $289 million USD loss for its Entertainment and Devices division.
One must also take into consideration that according to iSuppli, Sony is losing $307 on every 20GB PS3 that it sells and $241 on every 60GB PS3. The bigger loss on the 20GB unit explains why the 60GB unit accounts for 80% of the sales mix in the United States.
A move to 65nm production could ease the pain of trimming costs on the console. Sony has recently stated that it has already started production on a number of 65nm components and has realized a 40% size reduction in comparison to 90nm components. The company is also looking to reduce the number of parts used in the PS3 to lead to even deeper cost reductions.
But what's bad for Sony will likely turn out to be good for the consumer. Most consumers don't really care if Sony is losing money on the PS3 -- all they care about is getting the Blu-ray equipped console for a lower price. If Sony is successful with its bid to lower its own costs on the console, consumers might just get their wish sooner than expected.
Again, read what you want, say what you want, I'm done arguing with you. I'm ready to discuss things with reasonable people.
guys chill.. this thread has been going for... how long now? we don't need it to get locked now. agree to disagree and drop it.
It's just a matter of time before PS3 dies out and Xbox and Nintendo are left...however, if they cut the price for the PS3 it may attract more gamers back. Then again if the systems keep crashing and the bugs arn;t fixed...price means nothing.
Yeah don't worry about it. It's cool. I don't resort to name calling.
But if the PS3 did drop in price, it would be more enticing to a lot more people.
Do you really believe that? Sony has the PS2 still on the market, which is still a sturdy and viable machine, - one of the things about Sony systems is their long shelf life.
The Sony prez has pretty much promised a shelf-life of 10-years. I dont think even the NES/SNES/N64 or GC has had shelf-lives of that long but the PS2 and PS1 def has lived long lives.
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