DC Universe Classics Figure Frustration

[ChemicalChemical]

I bought my first DCUC figure today: Ares.

Awesome sculpt and design.

Disappointing articulation. Every type of possible movement is restricted. Well, except the knees and elbows. I can't really get him into any good action poses just cool standing-there poses.

[adol]

DCD already did a set of SuperFriends figures.

they were very well done as I recall.

I don't see any need for that in DCUC.

Yeah, but tht's DC Direct, not Four Horsemen sculpted DC Universe Classics figures. Bring them on, hell I'll take Bat Mite while we're at it.

[capitalzero]

well, while I sympathize, I'm a DC Comics fan, and I don't want the Superfriends.

Nor do any other DC Comics fans. We'd rather have Air Wave, or some other Comic Based Figure.

if they get around to doing Silver Age versions of the characters, I'm all for it, but I don't think we need second versions of all those characters done up like their animation models.

[Thatman]

well, while I sympathize, I'm a DC Comics fan, and I don't want the Superfriends.

Nor do any other DC Comics fans. We'd rather have Air Wave, or some other Comic Based Figures.

I must disagree. I am a huge fan of DC, and I'd love to see the Superfriends in the line; a box set, or something like it, even. They're not high on my list of must-haves, but it'd be great to own them down the road a bit. If they make them, I'll buy them. (And not to be a jerk, but I'd honestly rather have them than Air Wave!)

[capitalzero]

I'm just fine with them keeping this a Comic line.

we have separate lines for JLU, Brave and the Bold, and Movie figures.

this should remain a Comic Only line.

with them showing that no comic character is too obscure, I'd hate to have an important slot filled in by some lame Cartoon character.

if they add movie/TV/Cartoon characters, in DCUC, then I demand comic characters in Movie Masters, and Brave and the Bold.

it doesn't make ANY sense to include those figures in a COMIC line. Just like it doesn't make any sense to add Comic figures to a movie line, especially when there's two lines.

Superfriends has been done. If you don't like the format, that's too bad. Mattel doesn't have the rights to the Superfriends anyway, much like they don't have the rights to Smallville.

Take it up with DCD if you want Mattel to get Superfriends, but as it stands, the closest thing you're gonna get from Mattel is Super Friends (the chunky kiddified figures)

I don't want to have to buy Black Vulcan or Apache Chief to get a Build A Figure part. Nor do I wanna buy some stupid movie figure.

Movie figures don't sell, and the majority of fans don't care for the Superfriends, or if they do, they've already resigned themselves to the fact that they're not getting the 'toon only' characters anyway.

let me put it a different way.

Wave 8 (and to a small extent wave 6) really open the doors on the possibilities of this line. Killer Moth?, Gentleman Ghost?, I can't believe these are possible, when DCD had ten years, on Mattel and gave us NEITHER.

diversifying the line will dilute the amount of obscure characters we get, and that would make me none too happy. I would rather have Adrian Chase than Superfriends Robin. I'd rather have Gentleman Ghost than King Tut.

if you want to see Superfriends done in DCUC style, that's fine, ask for them to create a subline, that I don't have to collect to build any of the figures in the main line. I think DCUC should remain Comic Only, there are much better avenues for fans to get the other things they want.

I have no problem with them doing movie figures in the same scale. But there's already a LINE for that, called "Movie Masters". There are several Toon Lines as well. I don't see any need, or reason to dilute the awesomeness that is DCUC, by including Superfriends (which would mean rehashes of multiple figures they've already done, mind you.)

we're tired of the DCD Approach of fifty Batmans at the expense of second-stringers.

I for one, don't wanna sacrifice my chances at getting a Comic-Styled Kamandi, in favor of something redundant (and racist) like Apache Chief.

[bskcase]

I have to stand on the side of purely making only DC Comics figures. If there is only so much resources to give out. I say that just make comic book based figures. There are tons of figures to make and some that need to get remade. I don't want time wasted on going back and making Super friends. DCD already did that.

The line is not going anywhere. Sales are obviously going strong since you can't find any figures at the stores. There is hope for almost every figure to get made. I never expected for an Alex Luthor figure to get out.

There's more figures I want to see than Super friends. I want a Martian Manhunter and a brand new Joker. I also want a definitive Superman figure.

[capitalzero]

now, I DO Want a Silver Age Robin, I wouldn't mind a Silver Age Luthor (the Superfriends costume) etc.

but to be done in that STYLE?, no. Silver Age is good enough.

and there's no way we can get the toon only figures such as Apache Chief and Black Vulcan, anyway, because they're owned by HB, not DC.

yes, they're both owned by WB, but that's a whole different license, and that costs money.

we're getting a SA Brainiac soon (in the upcoming twopacks), so that's another SF style figure done.

as for Martian Manhunter, A definitive Superman, and Joker, I'm sure they're coming, but I definitely want more obscure stuff to boot! I'm still waiting on Wally West as the Flash!

all I'm saying is: There are other lines that would be better for the Movie/TV stuff, and the Superfriends have been done. I think leaving this line as Comic Only is the best way, because so help me, if I don't get a Doom Patrol, because someone demanded Adam West, heads will roll!

I want the Crimson Avenger, I want the Phantom Stranger, I want Shadowpact, I want Titans!, I want Legionnaires!, I want Young Justice, and the Challengers of the Unknown!, I want the Classic, and Modern JSAs, I want the Seven Soldiers of Victory, I want every member of every Justice League Ever!, I want the All Star Squadron, I want the Brotherhood of Evil!, I want the Secret Society of Supervillains, and I want it all now!

there's enough comic-based stuff to do yet, that we don't need to be incorporating movies and TV properties, just to keep it going. When all of that is done, maybe then, but there's a lot of work yet to be done before I think we should be mining those properties for ideas.

[thexxwatcherxx]

I have to say I liked Apache Chief. He was one of my favorite Superfriends growing up. I don't find anything racist about him. I am hispanic and many of my friends liked him too and they are indian, not apache but related tribe.
Mattel is the owner of this toyline, so I'm sure while they appreciate your input but they will do what they want with the license. I do not see Kamandi or some really obscure figures getting made because for Mattel it's about profit. Sure sales have been strong for DCUC but that's because some of the waves have had definitive versions of well known heroes or Villians. Start getting too obscure and sales will drop. Most of these waves are thought up months in advance. Just look at how Hasbro handles Star Wars. It's not like slots are filled at Random. I don't think someone at Mattel wakes up and decides hey we had a slot for obscure Character A, but let's pull that figure and replace it with SF Batman. It's something planned out.

This is my observation and it may be wrong but you make yourself sound like the final word on the subject and what you want is the only word. A few people have expressed different views and you basically shut them down. I'm not looking to be flamed but you have expressed your views and they are fine. Others have a right to theirs as well and you don't have to come back every time when someone posts to rebute.

[Thatman]

I'm well aware of the rights-issue between HB and Mattel, but if Mattel could do Apache Chief, Black Vulcan, Samurai and the Wonder Twins in the same 4H style as the rest of the line thus far, I'd be all over it.

(Especially because Samurai was in the Super Powers line, so I'd love to see Mattel hit everybody in the line!)

Are they the figures I want the most? No. There are several other 'big guns' I feel need to be made, and there are any number of more obscure characters I'd like to see made first...Zauriel, Fire & Ice, Ambush Bug, Signalman, The Ventriloquist, Dr. Destiny, Johnny Thunder, etc. Heck, they want to make Manga Khan, Dr. Tzin-Tzin, The Spook, or even The Mighty Bruce, I'll buy 'em!

All I'm saying is that I'd love to see the non-comic Superfriends figures made into 4H-style figures. Does it need to happen? No. Would I buy them? Absolutely. I have no interest in toon-style figures; I'd want every figure in this line in the same scale & style. I'm also not terribly interested in movie figures in the line either (although if Mattel opted for a sub-line of '60s Bat-TV characters, I'd flip!)

You're right...Wave 8 is a clear indication of the beginning of the depths they can plumb, which can encompass figures from all eras for all collectors. I happen to know there are a number of people as unhappy at Vigilante II's inclusion as there are happy (and a number who have no idea who he was anyway.) We're not all going to get all our priorities made at the same time, obviously. While it's completely fine for everyone to say "I'm not interested in so-and-so", it seems a little much to say "Well, you want that guy and I don't, so they shouldn't make him."

[He-Ro 666]

I nabbed the GL 2 pack, Cyborg Supes/Mongul and Orion/Lightray over the weekend. I saw the Batgirl/Azrael two-packs with the yellow bats faded on BG and other paint app "malfunctions". After catching myself almost dozing off at my desk, I decided to "get some air" and ended up going to the Target down the street (where I saw the Despero wave initially). The entire including gold Capt. Atom, Artemis and excluding Batman Beyond (of course) were in abundance. I snatched up two Artemi (?) and two of the gold Capt. Atoms

[capitalzero]

I have to say I liked Apache Chief. He was one of my favorite Superfriends growing up. I don't find anything racist about him. I am hispanic and many of my friends liked him too and they are indian, not apache but related tribe.
Mattel is the owner of this toyline, so I'm sure while they appreciate your input but they will do what they want with the license. I do not see Kamandi or some really obscure figures getting made because for Mattel it's about profit. Sure sales have been strong for DCUC but that's because some of the waves have had definitive versions of well known heroes or Villians. Start getting too obscure and sales will drop. Most of these waves are thought up months in advance. Just look at how Hasbro handles Star Wars. It's not like slots are filled at Random. I don't think someone at Mattel wakes up and decides hey we had a slot for obscure Character A, but let's pull that figure and replace it with SF Batman. It's something planned out.

This is my observation and it may be wrong but you make yourself sound like the final word on the subject and what you want is the only word. A few people have expressed different views and you basically shut them down. I'm not looking to be flamed but you have expressed your views and they are fine. Others have a right to theirs as well and you don't have to come back every time when someone posts to rebute.

have you SEEN The lineup for wave 8?

if you don't think we're gonna get Kamandi, especially considering he's slated for a guest slot on "Brave and the Bold" you're out of your mind.

as for "They shouldn't make him" I'm saying it because this is a comic line. Black Vulcan and Apache Chief never appeared in the comics.

as such, they shouldn't make them.

this is a DC Universe line, not a DC Properties line. As for being the final word, I seem to have a better grasp of what that entails than many people, but I admit I'm not the final word.

but this is a line for DC Comics fans, and I'd like to keep it that way. Most DC fans I've spoken to agree with me, and they are aware of this discussion. I actually wouldn't be surprised if a number of them sign up and weigh in on the situation.

the point I'm trying to make here, is that there are plenty of great ideas WITHIN the DCU, that you don't have to expand the line outside it in order to keep the line fresh, and to find great new ideas and concepts to explore. There are plenty of teams that haven't been made before, and plenty of characters still waiting for their first figures, that there's no need to do a thousand Batmans, or even Apache Chief. Especially when Princess Projectra is still waiting for her FIRST figure.

I'm not saying I don't wanna see Apache Chief done as a figure, I'm saying I don't wanna see him done in the DCU line. If you create a Superfriends subline, I'M ALL FOR IT. (though I still think AC is racist). I'm not saying your ideas are bad ones, or don't deserve to be made into figures, I'm saying I'm all for the DCU line to remain just that. Characters from, and appearing exclusively in, the DC Comics universe.

as for Golden Pharoah, Samurai, etc. Those belong to Kenner/Hasbro, there's no chance, unfortunately.

[Skullface]

All I'm saying is that I'd love to see the non-comic Superfriends figures made into 4H-style figures. Does it need to happen? No. Would I buy them? Absolutely. I have no interest in toon-style figures; I'd want every figure in this line in the same scale & style.

QFT - I think this is what seems to be getting misinterpreted in the animated vs comic debates. I won't speak for anybody else, but as I stated earlier, I am a HUGE mark for the Superfriends, and I would love to see the show-only characters done in the DCUC STYLE.

I'm a big proponent of the style and look of this line remaining consistent. Yes, I'd love for the Wonder Twins to be made, but do I want them looking cartoony in this line? No way. Am I gonna cry and moan if they don't get made. Nope. Would I buy them if they did get made? You know it! Superfriends specific characters could be great for this line, because there ARE people who would want them. (Let's face it, there are only 9 of them total, including Gleek. Although personally, I'd probably pass on Wendy, Marvin and Wondermutt) The DCD Superfriends figures from a few years back are great - Unfortunately, like a lot of DCD stuff, they were WAY overpriced, so I passed, plus, it's not like they ever finished off the full roster.

Honestly, the 4H can sculpt virtually no wrong. I've loved every design they've shown to date, and eagerly await the next batch. (Only figure of theirs I REALLY never liked was the 200X Prince Adam) I don't want the style of this line to change at all - I love the obscurity and diversity of the character selection, but I don't agree with statements saying "Character A should not be made, but character B should because I want B & not A." That's a bit pretentious, elitist and selfish, IMO. To demand certain characters should be relegated to certain toy lines is mostly bunk. Disagree? Then explain to me the following:

Why is there a Deathstroke figure in the Dark Knight line?
Why is there a Batman Beyond figure in DCUC?
Why is there a red Super Powers Parademon coming in DCUC when the comic version is green/yellow? (I know they're doing both versions)
Why is the preschool Super Friends GL John Stewart and not Hal Jordan?
Why were there X-Men & Spider-Man movie characters in Marvel Legends?

And to say Mattel is all about profit is true. There's no way around it. This line is literally flying off shelves, and because of it, they can now afford to make more obscure characters. If sales drop off when wave 8 hits, then they'll adjust their strategy and put more well known major characters back in the mix. The only things that can really continue to hurt this line right now are QC, distribution, the effect of the re-packs when they hit, and time. I believe there's currently only 3 more years left on the contract, and since this line debuted a year ago, the DCD stuff has gone way down in sales. I'd be very surprised (but happy) to see Mattel be able to keep the DCUC license after it expires.

[capitalzero]

Why is there a Deathstroke figure in the Dark Knight line?

This is actually a commonplace practice in movie toylines. Deathstroke was from the cancelled Dark Knight videogame. No different than the Kraven, Rhino, Black Cat, or Shocker figures released for Spider Man 3.

Why is there a Batman Beyond figure in DCUC?

Batman Beyond has appeared in Canon, Specifically Batman/Superman

Why is there a red Super Powers Parademon coming in DCUC when the comic version is green/yellow? (I know they're doing both versions)

Because the 4HM are basing certain figures in this line (and certain choices) on that classic line, and they have vowed to re-do every figure from that line that they're allowed to do (that means everybody but Samurai, Golden Pharoah, and any others created specifically for the line).

Why is the preschool Super Friends GL John Stewart and not Hal Jordan?

For diversity's sake, and also because there are so many GLs that to give any weight to one would be unfair to the others, not to mention, Justice League was still out at the time these figures were created, so John Stewart was the GL they were pushing.

Why were there X-Men & Spider-Man movie characters in Marvel Legends?

This line has nothing to do with ML, but How many of those Movie Characters could be found MONTHS after release, as opposed to the comic figures which usually disappeared INSTANTLY?

Every figure released so far has appeared in Canon (Specifically the DC Universe from which this line takes its name).

they can't do Watchmen, Wildstorm, Archie Heroes (which they recently acquired), or Vertigo, but they can do anything falling within the standard universe, as well as any Elseworlds (as evidenced by BB, and the Gold (Kingdom Come) Captain Atom).

there is no evidence whatsoever that they plan on branching into other arenas, or areas, save for some vague statements in Mattel Press Releases.

[Kevenn]

I'd be all ofr Super Friends characters showing up in the line. The Wonder Twins have been in the DC Comics for years. Check out Young Justice and their assault on Zandia. Samurai showed up in the background in Infinite Crisis. Apache Chief would make a great BAF. I liked El Dorado - he was more like a combination of Red Tornado and Martian Manhunter coz he could turn invisible too. I liked his costume a lot.

Wendy & Marvin - only if they were the versions that's been in Teen Titans recently.

[Zodac101]

I'd be down for some Wonder Twins...as long as Gleek comes with them too!!!
This would have to be a two-pack for sure. They could even have few extra assories of them in thier other forms. Like a Bird and a bucket of water.

Chemical, if you take a razor to the squirt and cut along the seams a little you will get a little more movement from Ares.

[capitalzero]

It's simple. If they've been done in the comics, then I don't mind them showing up in the line.

this is a comic line, Mattel has stated the focus is the comics.

but the fact of the matter is this: I'd rather have Bat Hombre and Crazy Quilt over Zan And Jayna any day.

that's personal preference and my opinion only. But it's an opinion held by a vast majority of DC fans who don't wanna see this line get screwed over in the same fashion DC Direct has.

One-Panel appearances, IMHO don't count for squat. The HB Characters remain the property of HB, and there's little Mattel can do to gain rights to those characters, much in the same fashion that they can't do Filmation characters for MOTUC.

For better or worse, that's definitely off the table at the moment.

as for the rest, I concede that Zan and Jayna were in the comics, and if they were done in a twopack with Gleek, I wouldn't mind it as much as something in the regular line, where I HAVE to buy them if I want the BAF.

I'm not saying I don't want a Nicholson Joker, or even that I don't want YOU to have the figures you want. But there are avenues to get what you want.

Nicholson Joker should be done in the Movie Masters line. I think Reeve Superman and even Adam West should also remain in that line.

I think the Superfriends are done, though. I know that's a bitter pill to swallow, but I think we've got a better chance of seeing Wing, the Hong Kong Cavalier.

[wyldman11]

only two ways I wouldn't mind the superfriends done in the line itself. One is two packs, the other is a target exclusive wave with the BAF being apache chief. Target exclusive because unlike walmart they clearance stuff out if it doesn't sell, they are also more likely to keep selling a line if one doesn't do that well.

Overall I don't care, I just pick up characters I want I don't get whole waves as a general rule, the only one I got recently was because 3 of the 5 characters I wanted.

I do like the way the line as gone though, just some characters I am not going to get personally.

[capitalzero]

I'm on board for at least one version of every character through wave eight. (I want the classic Mister Miracle, the Morrison Superman, and the Modern Booster Gold, for the record).

which means I'm going to have SEVEN complete BAFs, the only series I don't have anything from at this point, is Five, but only because I can't find them, not because I don't want them.

so far, they've done an excellent job of picking characters. There's only been one figure I hated, and that's Hal Jordan, but that's beside the point. I've purchased at least one version of every character released so far, save for Lightray and Abin Sur.

They've been doing a great job with character selection, and I'm very happy about that. I hope they keep this up. I want every major (and minor) DC Comics character released.

they keep making 'em, and I'll keep buying 'em.

[Slayor]

I saw the Wave 2 refresh at Target today.

[Skullface]

Targets seem to be getting back on the ball now, with the end of the holiday rush. I seriously think that they had something in their computer screwed up, which is why returns got sent to Goodwill, and they weren't getting product in consistently for a while.

My buddy's Target got FIVE cases of Wave 3 on Monday - multiples of every figure, including both variants. Today I stopped at the Target I used to work at, and they must have gotten in like 4-5 cases of Wave 4 recently, as there were no Batman Beyond or Artemis, but 4-5 of everyone else. I'm guessing the flag in the computer system possibly left cases sitting in distribution centers for quite a while, and now with the big toy push to get EVERYTHING out on shelves, is why they're just now showing up. And keep in mind that the toy dept resets should be starting next week or the week after. (The 3 years I worked at Target I always reset the action figure aisles on New Year's Eve because the store was a ghost town that night....)

Still don't think we'll see Wave 6 for a good 3 weeks or so.

[Zodac101]

I just hope we see them. LOL I had to get wave 2 and 4 online. Didn't even see these in stores at all.

[mkpat]

Does ayone have information on the characters in each wave? Preferably with pics?? Thanks in advance...

[Zodac101]

Try this site, they seem to be pretty up to date on DCUC stuff when the info hits.

http://www.dcuc.info/

[capitalzero]

I'm glad Target's getting back on track, they were a pretty good place for finding figures, and with Killer Moth only 'weeks away' according to Matty, I'm gonna need every avenue to find these things as possible.

ESPECIALLY considering the fact that KB (where I found wave 4) is now out of business.

[adol]

I'm well aware of the rights-issue between HB and Mattel, but if Mattel could do Apache Chief, Black Vulcan, Samurai and the Wonder Twins in the same 4H style as the rest of the line thus far, I'd be all over it. (Especially because Samurai was in the Super Powers line, so I'd love to see Mattel hit everybody in the line!)

All I'm saying is that I'd love to see the non-comic Superfriends figures made into 4H-style figures. Does it need to happen? No. Would I buy them? Absolutely. I have no interest in toon-style figures; I'd want every figure in this line in the same scale & style.

My thoughts exactly.