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    He-Ro vs King Grayskull


    Name: Gray
    Identity: Secret (ancestor of He-Man and She-Ra)
    Real Name: Hero, alter ego of Gray
    Role: First recipient of the Powers of Grayskull and original leader of the heroic forces in prehistoric Eternia against the evil Dino Reptilian Kingdom
    Power: As well as possessing the fabulous strength of He-Man, He-Ro has another power uniquely his own. It is the power of natural magic: an ability to magically influence elements of nature. He-Ro draws his power from the Book of Transformation.
    Character Profile: Reared under the tuteledge of his mentor, ELDOR, and the tribal chieftess, Sharella, Gray was one day mysteriously drawn to a nearby cave. There, in darkness and in light, he was invested with the newly evolved powers that would change his his life and alter the course of history in Eternia. The exact details of what transpired in that cave have remained secret, but Eldor has made cryptic allusions…references to the boy's mysterious past, to an amazing legacy… and an awesome task which Gray accomplished that day in the cave. By placing one hand on his heart, flexing the other arm into a muscle and incanting, "Magic and strength…tempered by heart!" Gray causes an amazing transformation to occur, becoming the He-Ro of Grayskull and announcing, "I stand for Peace!"
    Weapons: He-Ro channels his energy through a marvelous staff which can direct a magic ray to specific parts of the environment, causing the likes of inanimate rocks, rivers, and trees to respond to his commands.
    Note: With powers of this scope, it might seem ludicrous to suggest any way in which He-Ro could be less powerful than He-Man. But He-Man does have one power He-Ro lacks: the power of wisdom and maturity. He-Ro is younger and still learning to use his powers.



    or King Grayskull we all know from the MYp cartoon.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Grayskull
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    Without a doubt, He-Ro.

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    I actually liked the King Grayskull angle on the show, and until just reading your post, knew very little about He-Ro. I thought he was He-Man and Teela's adopted son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigispice View Post
    I actually liked the King Grayskull angle on the show, and until just reading your post, knew very little about He-Ro. I thought he was He-Man and Teela's adopted son.
    That's a different He-Ro.

    This He-Ro was originally meant to be the star in a line of figures called "the Powers of Grayskull" which was supposed to be released after the MOTU line was wound up. They made some prototypes *like the one you saw* but the line was never released. In the end, he was only seen in one mini-comic, which was supposed to be a three part story. I think it might've been titled after the line itself and if I am not mistaken.

    The He-Ro you're thinking of is the He-Ro that Lou Scheimer *was it him, or am i remembering this wrong?* came up with as a possible sequel of sorts to the original MOTU series. I assume you know about him from the series bible on this site *which is why I know about him too*.

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    As for my preference between He-Ro and KG.... I dunno.. it's hard to say. KG and He-Man are basically equal in power, as is my understanding... However HR really kicks HM's rear when it comes to power. That nonsense about He-Man's superior power of maturity and wisdom won't seem all that impressive after HR has had a few yrs to learn how to use his powers. This leads to the problem of having a character who is so powerful that you can't take any danger he faces seriously *since he can beat all the bad guys, and also all the good guys, and everyone in between, with his eyes closed, using his weaker hand*. HM already had this problem, but HM with magic tossed in makes it seem really ridiculous.
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    I prefer the notion of the power of Grayskull coming from a combination of King Grayskull and the ancient elders. And that He-Ro (aka Gray) is the son of Grayskull and Veena.

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    I think HE-RO is most powerfull and looks better than King Grayskull

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueStreak View Post
    I prefer the notion of the power of Grayskull coming from a combination of King Grayskull and the ancient elders. And that He-Ro (aka Gray) is the son of Grayskull and Veena.
    I second this,
    this would technically make He-Ro the first reciever of Grayskull's power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Latveria View Post
    As for my preference between He-Ro and KG.... I dunno.. it's hard to say. KG and He-Man are basically equal in power, as is my understanding... However HR really kicks HM's rear when it comes to power. That nonsense about He-Man's superior power of maturity and wisdom won't seem all that impressive after HR has had a few years to learn how to use his powers. This leads to the problem of having a character who is so powerful that you can't take any danger he faces seriously *since he can beat all the bad guys, and also all the good guys, and everyone in between, with his eyes closed, using his weaker hand*. HM already had this problem, but HM with magic tossed in makes it seem really ridiculous.
    This is why I don't like Mattel's new idea of He-Ro and Grayskull teaming up to battle Hordak and King Hiss; together they would be virtually unstoppable.

    I prefer to keep King Grayskull's involvement in Preternian history at a minimum. To me, he only fought when his people and castle were under threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigispice View Post
    I actually liked the King Grayskull angle on the show, and until just reading your post, knew very little about He-Ro. I thought he was He-Man and Teela's adopted son.
    That was a different He-Ro.

    The He-Ro, as described above, was going to be the basis for the Powers of Grayskull line, which would have been part of the original MOTU toyline, but it got canceled before anything really happened with it.


    Separately, sometime around the mid 90s, Lou Scheimer had put together a concept for a new cartoon series called "He-Ro Son of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe", which would have been the adopted son concept. Nothing ever happened with the series in terms of actually being produced.


    Aside from both of them having the name He-Ro, they were essentially two different and completely unrelated characters.
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    King Greyskull. He's better then He-MAN, so how can He-RO stand a chance?
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    Thanks for setting me straight.

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    I really like He-Ro.
    but then we're also talking classic canon VS new canon, so it's kind of hard to say one over the other.

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    He-Ro was never given much exposure so it's kind of unfair.

    But bottom line, give me a big dude with a sword over a wizard any day!
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    It's kind of hard to say.

    On the one hand, the He-Ro concept is pretty cool, and has it's merrits. But, other than seeing prototype pics on these boards years after the fact, the character never meant much for me.


    As for King Grayskull, that story and that particular episode of the MYP show were interesting (particularly due to the involvement of the Horde). Though, what I didn't really like was that there was no true source of his power, so to speak. Somehow, his bravery and determination or whatever (when facing the challenges presented by the Oracle) somehow translated into his powers, which really was kind of a cruddy explanation. Plus, King Grayskull and Battle Lion were pretty much just He-Man and Battle Cat redesigned and given new names, so it's not exactly like they came up with some mind boggling new concept.



    To some extent, I don't completely like either story line. It's just that (esspecially with the Filmation series) there was this big sense of mystery surrounding the origins of the powers of Grayskull, and by comparison, these explanations both seem a little anti-climactic. Though, there are elements of each that I do like.


    Both stories need work, but if we have to have a specific origin at all, then I almost like to have both play a role. I kind of like the idea of King Grayskull being the actual origin of the power (though still wanting a better explanation than him climbing some mountains and crap), and then He-Ro was maybe the first to receive the power after King Grayskull (and maybe he was the one who split the power in two, with the other part being for She-Ra). Those are just my thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eamon View Post
    But bottom line, give me a big dude with a sword over a wizard any day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eamon View Post
    He-Ro was never given much exposure so it's kind of unfair.

    But bottom line, give me a big dude with a sword over a wizard any day!
    yeah but he-ro is a big dude with a sword and is a wizard,right? and im goin with he-ro,hes awsome

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    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    but then we're also talking classic canon VS new canon, so it's kind of hard to say one over the other.
    I very much agree.

    But I voted so I went with King Grayskull simply because He-Man is THE MAN and I'm not cool with bringing in someone more powerful than him. If He-Ro were JUST the most powerful wizard in the universe I could PROBABLY let that slide, but having him have magic power AND He-Man's strength makes me not like the story so much.

    But I do feel like it's toy-collector-torchure knowing that we were as close as we were to getting He-Ro and Eldor figures and REALLY would love them as well.

    I LOVED the "Powers Of Grayskull" episode and am still dying for a King Grayskull figure or staction.
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    I like the King Grayskull origin of power story but I would be more interested in the He-Ro story to see what other crazy things would have been released. The mini-comic had me on the edge since 1987 so I say finish up the story! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Guard View Post
    I like the King Grayskull origin of power story but I would be more interested in the He-Ro story to see what other crazy things would have been released. The mini-comic had me on the edge since 1987 so I say finish up the story! LOL
    But we didn't get the origin of King Grayskull's power, we just got the story of how he recognized it and passed it on to the Elders when he died. How he did that of course wasn't clear since we never learned that he knew magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbagok View Post
    But we didn't get the origin of King Grayskull's power, we just got the story of how he recognized it and passed it on to the Elders when he died. How he did that of course wasn't clear since we never learned that he knew magic.
    Maybe He-Ro and Eldor, maybe with other powerfull forces of good foresaw the birth of King Grayskull and the battle he was facing against the horde. They could have infused his familyline with all their power only to make sure good would prevale. This is better suited for the fanfic section though.
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    I voted KG.....I liked the idea of there being an actual King Grayskull that was a past relative of the Randor family..btw did they ever mention Randor's last name? We could assume it was Grayskull as well but then everyone would be able to more easily pinpoint Adam as He-man as he grew older. King Grayskull seemed the perfect fit for the builder of Castle Grayskull and I agree it was pretty lame how Hordak handed him his a$$ so easily, guess the aid of the Horde Weavers helped!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Juggernaugt View Post
    I voted KG.....I liked the idea of there being an actual King Grayskull that was a past relative of the Randor family..btw did they ever mention Randor's last name? We could assume it was Grayskull as well but then everyone would be able to more easily pinpoint Adam as He-man as he grew older. King Grayskull seemed the perfect fit for the builder of Castle Grayskull and I agree it was pretty lame how Hordak handed him his a$$ so easily, guess the aid of the Horde Weavers helped!
    Randor's last name?
    I doubt it's Grayskull and here's why.

    Sure, through the panel at SDCC and the Q and A that Ian Richter did here, we know that Randor and Keldor are brothers.
    And that Keldor is also an heir of Grayskull.

    Seeing as their mom is probably of the blue skinned race, it's doubtful, though not impossible that Randor and Keldor's mother is of Grayskull's line.
    So we can probably assume that King Miro (Randor and Keldor's father) was also a decendant of Grayskull. But after that? The Grayskull bloodline could've gone through any of the grandmothers and great grandmothers before Miro.
    That is, if on Eternia, the last name stays with the father/husband like it does in most western cultures here on Earth.

    It is also possible that there are no first and last names on Eternia.
    I can't think of a single character that has a first and a last name...

    Remember also, the story of King Grayskull and Castle Grayskull is all but forgotten on modern day Eternia.
    Adam calling Grayskull an old relic.
    Skeletor not knowing the history behind the castle, and that's his own family supposedly.
    Someone's not been doing their geneology!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Maybe He-Ro and Eldor, maybe with other powerfull forces of good foresaw the birth of King Grayskull and the battle he was facing against the horde. They could have infused his familyline with all their power only to make sure good would prevale. This is better suited for the fanfic section though.
    That is why I liked the story idea I came up with. It explains how they can both have the powers and why it is still known as the "Power of Grayskull" even though KG comes after HR.

    And no, I don't think that anyone ever knows Randor's last name. I don't think that royal families tend to use them. For instance, what's Prince Harry's last name? There might be one, but I have never heard it.

    The other question I have is whether KG's last name is actually grayskull. Did the episode ever give him a first name? Maybe Grayskull is his first name.... which leads one to wonder what was wrong with his parents. Or perhaps it wasn't his name at all, but it was a name he chose later (like a superhero identity).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Latveria View Post
    The other question I have is whether KG's last name is actually grayskull. Did the episode ever give him a first name? Maybe Grayskull is his first name.... which leads one to wonder what was wrong with his parents. Or perhaps it wasn't his name at all, but it was a name he chose later (like a superhero identity).
    my idea was that like He-Ro (to me they can co-exist)
    King Grayskull's real name is Gray, could have even been a family tradition to name the first male Gray(a tradition that fell by the wayside after KG died for whatever reason they want to write. he built a Skull faced castle which probably was known as Gray's Skull castle, after a while it's Grayskull Castle, or King Gray's Skull castle shorten it as language tends to do you get King Grayskull
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    He-Ro looks a little too happy for a brawl.

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