I am putting this here so She-Ra fans can disucss why She-Ra should be in the new movie.
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I think there should be a poll.
In any case, I'll refrain from sharing my answer as it will likely "myseriously disappear".
It would be better if She-ra gets her own movie instead of serving as a backup character.
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I wouldn't put She-Ra in the first movie. She should show up in the second or third, depending on when the Horde is utilized.
I would like some sort of off-beat reference to her to be included in the first movie though... a la "There is another" (Star Wars) that could leave the possibility open.
My thought is that, no, She-Ra shouldn't be in the next movie. However, I'd say that the writers could write it with the possibility in mind of bringing her in in a sequel. I wouldn't want it to be blatant, such as making a big point of Adam having a twin sister who mysteriously disappeared - that would, I think, distract from the focus of this movie. But leave room for the character to come in in a later film without requiring retconning.
Hopefully that makes sense.
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She-Ra fans do have the right to at least hope for a nod towards Adora in the first film and then hopefully see her at some point if there are more films. If the movie producers, Justin Marks etc are reading this, which I expect they might be: I make no appoligies for defending my favorate MOTU character. I have challanged some insulting posts that have promoted a nasty argument, and I stand by my comments. Its just a shame that a few more She-Ra fans don't feel the need to start speaking up. Because if we don't attitudes that question weather she is even an intellegent part of the MOTU universe could reach the ears of people in high places unchallanged.
If you don't like She-Ra thats your right, and post to that effect if you need to. But don't actively try to ruin the chances for other's who do want her to have a shot at being included in one of the films. I don't perticularly like Trap Jaw, in fact I think he is a waste of space! But, I don't have the need to try and actively discredit him on the org, as some do with She-Ra. I am pleased for all the Trappy fans who are hopefully going to see their favorate character on the big screen. Many fans dearly love She-Ra and DO want her involved in future projects like this. It a shame that fans who don't like She-Ra can't even afford her character this basic respect and stop the unnecessary and needles bashing.
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I agree with you about the mythos being rich and deep but I think people are missing MY point. Masters of the Universe was a brand that NEVER INCLUDED SHE-RA. it had hordak, king hiss and the like period. He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, the filmation cartoon never had She-ra. Princess of Power never included MOTU. She-ra Princess of Power on the other hand included MOTU. it's clear cut. yes because of filmation they DO intertwine and I'm fine with that. but the point is that She-ra has nothing to do with the MOTU mythos. from the first figure to the last. she doesn't have anything to do with He-Man and the masters of the universe from the first episode to the last (Origin of the Sorceress being debatable) which shows MOTU is and always was She-Ra free, but She-ra isn't MOTU free. We can't mention was was planned and never materialized because then we can say anything. Strobo isn't an important part of MOTU though he was in a comic in the MOTU magazine.
I want to address what Angel T and Tallstar said in the script reveiw thread but that will make this post WAY too long. in short here is my opinion on She-Ra. I personally would LOVE a visual nod to her, something slight that fans would see as unmistakable but non fans would just dismiss. I even said that it's possible in MYP that Randor and Marlen were down because it was an anniversary of Adora's kidnapping or something in Lessons. As a filmation lover, I too look for these clues to see if She-ra still fits in, I even thought of a fan fic to work her into how MYP had set up the story of Hordak etc. (I think if I ever write it you guys will love it) I want to see a LOT of what filmation introduced to be brought into new MOTU, Granamyr, Shokoti, Daimar etc. maybe done differently in some cases but I want them there so I DO want to see Adora in some form and see She-ra get her own story.
BUT I still don't think she's important to MOTU, though I feel she is important to the expanded universe of MOTU. does that make sense to you guys? to me MOTU is the toyline, the minicomics, the 130 filmation episodes a bit of the movie and the MYP toon/MVC comic. POP is she-ra glimmer catra etc. it's like this, Batman is batman. As a character Batgirl isn't improtant to waht makes batman who he is. without Batman there isn't a batgirl, but not vice versa. now I feel she adds to Batman's universe, but without her you still have Batman.
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I don't really see debate in Origin of the Sorceress. It is She-Ra's sword, end of story on that one. The two cartoon series are tied together on purpose. Sorry, but we cannot re-write the classic cartoon mythos to fit what pleases us. Not saying you want to do that, but I don't think it is fair to the entire mythos to write off the sword's appearance and the fact that it is indeed She-Ra's sword.
Now, Mattel can (and will) re-write the mythos for a new movie. Should that include She-Ra? Without a doubt: yes. Should she herself be in the first movie? No. The first movie contains that oh so subtle hint of the existence of She-Ra/Adora. Many fans may not even pick up on it until watching the movie 10 times.
As mentioned earlier... He-Man had a live action movie once without She-Ra. He-Man also had two revivals without She-Ra. So, many She-Ra "haters" have had three opportunities to see He-Man without any reference to She-Ra.
She-Ra's cartoon did very well in the ratings and it and He-Man packed a very nice punch with coupled together in the "Power Hour". I think a lot of people just don't like her because they were scared of her toyline. Mattel has already made it clear that when She-Ra returns, she is being integrated into MOTU properly.
Personally, I am a cartoon fan first of He-Man and She-Ra. Toys come second. I like the rich stories and characters, not dolls to put on a shelf. The MOTU world is such a huge and vastly creative bin of fun for a writer, I hope that Mattel realizes this and lets us get the full potential.
I understand what you're saying krosfyah, but think of it this way:
How would the MOTU purist feel if, in an annoyed fashion, She-Ra fans kept saying:
"Sorry guys. You have no right to expect Horde Troopers to appear in a MOTU movie. Filmation specifically created the Horde Troopers characters for the She-Ra series. They appeared in her cartoon FIRST, never in Filmation MOTU, and then Mattel decided to slap them into the MOTU toy line. So, sorry guys, they belong to She-Ra."
Can you see how that type of stuff could become dispiriting after years and years?
I guess I also wonder why a lot of folks make it out like She-Ra is this huge risk. What about King Grayskull? He's an untested one-shot character that's potentially going to be a major part of the new MOTU movie. Or how about the fact that Justin is basing a major chunk of the movie on mini-comics; stories that pretty much only the hardcore fans are familiar with.
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Simply put, no She-Ra in the first movie. Maybe Adora can be in the second, but definately the third movie if we get that far. I want She-Ra, too.
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I grow up with He-man toys, comics and bit filmation. Thats what I love and care in MOTU. I even didn't know about She-ra before I again get into motu, and I didn't have any emotional link to She-ra, and since that, I haven't get any love for her. Hordak and his bunch of fellas were familiar to me through comics, where she-ra wasn't. I don't think Motu needs she-ra, and I always felt she was created just to please girls too, to me the ultimate power of everthing good is he-man ALONE. I understand that those who grow up watching PoP are very passionate about her, but that doesn't mean that it means she has to be there. I want my movies without she-ra, you want movies with her. These are matter of opinion, simply. Fighting about that and accusing "she-ra" haters like we are some part NRA or something is bit silly. Everybody should have opinios and different opinions are vital for conversation, but some people seem to be too fanatic here.
edit. and some people take other opinions too personally, this aren't that serious thing, I can live if she-ra is in these movies
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Assuming the plan here is for this to be a new franchise, I think there would be ample opportunity for Adora/She-Ra later on, but I would not include her in the first film...I like how the script evidently deals with elements that seem to harken to the original mini-comics, and I think that tone should be kept, with a relatively small cast.
That said, there are definitely chances for a teaser of sorts...some sort of subtle reference to a lost princess, a second (or third, as it may be) sword, etc. That way you can introduce her later on (or in a spin-off) and have it make sense in the overall context, but I wouldn't include the character herself at the onset.
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Well, I'm a fan of She-Ra, not so much from the original series tho, since I've only seen like 5 episodes back in the day. But actually from modern day, and from basically just liking the concept and the overall story.
I don't think She-Ra should be in the first movie, as that may remove focus from the basics of the franchise, BUT.. I think having ADORA in the first movie.. that could actually work. Why not have it different this time around, Adam and Adora actually growing up together instead of apart, and establish Adora to a new generation, right from the start?
Build up her character in the first two movies. Perhaps in the first one, she's just the dumb bimbo Princess that she otherwise pretends to be, but have her evolve into a deeper personality in the ensuing battle with evil. Thereby, when she finally gets the power, and breaks free of Hordaks control in the third movie, it will be all the more a powerful moment for the audience.
That's what I think.
Like some have said, No she shouldn't be in it. Maybe if they mention something about the history of Eternia and it's King and Queen. Maybe in the third film. But not the first two if made. I do think that the Horde should be mentioned in them so we know they're out there. That way The Horde is established. Then they can try to do a She-Ra origin. Then they could probably do a spin off movie.
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If they decide to use Adora/She-ra, that's they way they should take, in my opinion.
My response is technically a no to seeing She-Ra in the first film. I'd like to see Adora get kidnapped in the first film. That'd be fine with me. Leave a door open for She-Ra to come in for a sequel through dialogue and so forth. I feel Adam having a twin sister shouldn't be secret to him. He should know who is responsible for her disappearance and that can be further motivation for his character (the irresponsible kid and not someone hellbent on revenge and training) to accept his role as He-Man. It raises the stakes. I'd do this movie series as He-Man vs. Skeletor in the first one. I wouldn't kill Skeletor off, just have him disappear in a green mist like he always did in the Golden Books and mini-comics. The second movie should be an extended version of Secret of the Sword. If that sounds unoriginal, just remember that Batman Begins was Batman: Year One plus Mr. Zsasz, the Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul and minus Selena Kyle.
Fans hoping that she gets a nod in the first film, is NOT shoe horning! It’s mealy asking for accuracy in Adams initial story description by the film producers : Adora is part of Adams initial story. What I was suggesting in my post was just that, sorry for the confusion. But the fact that Adam had a twin sister should be identified in the first film. I am not arguing for anything major or ground breaking. Twins were born, but one was lost to darkness, something like that would suffice.
I agree with you, and just to chime in on this (kinda silly) debate, I also think it wouldn't take much for the producers to shoot a scene in which we see Randor with Marlena and two babies as part of a montage of scenes describing the changing times and difficulties even during the "good years". Yes, it would pique audience interest in the other baby, but it could also serve the story, as in giving extra edge to Randor's insistance that Adam be more mature and ready for his role.
Or at the very least, they should film a shot with Marlena rocking Adam in her arms and pan over to Adora in a cradle sleepling. They could use that shot in the first film, but cut before we see Adora, and then later reuse the full shot in a sequel. That would keep Adora's sudden existance from seeing random and un-planned. Maybe in the clipped 1st film version of the shot, there could be a pink blanket somewhere in the background, out of sight from the main action, and only something core fans would pick out immediately.
All they need to do is leave the door open a bit, and I'll be happy. Otherwise, it'll be a lot harder to try and launch or introduced She-Ra later on, down the road. I don't see audiences of grown adults being as accepting as young kids were in the 80s of the random sister appearing (and clearly, not all those kids were accepting!)
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i enjoy all aspects of MOTU, she-ra filmation, NA myp but it boils down to a simple answer simply no she should not, in my opinion if we get 3 films then it should be done like this
1st: no mention at all
2nd: some simple hints a sword on the wall mentions of the horde
3rd: her story
and then hopefully the two series and go there seperate ways
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has anyone ever thought of keeping the seperate?
And then if MOTU does really well, why not have a She-Ra flim by itself?
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