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    Question about Stratos 8 back Variants (USA Version)

    As far as I know there are three variants of the Stratos 8 back USA version: Blue Beard with Blue Wings, Grey Beard with Blue wings and Grey Beard with red wings (this seems to be the more common version of the three).

    Which was the first version of the Stratos figure: the one with blue wings or the one with red wings??? I know this question has been asked before on the forums but the answers seem to be contradictory.

    Additionally, I would like to know if the Blue Beard Stratos variant was the first version of the Stratos figure or if it came later on.

    I don't know if this information helps but I have a loose Blue Beard Stratos that is marked "Mattel Inc. 1981 Taiwan".

    Thanks in advance for the help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asher99 View Post
    As far as I know there are three variants of the Stratos 8 back USA version: Blue Beard with Blue Wings, Grey Beard with Blue wings and Grey Beard with red wings (this seems to be the more common version of the three).

    Which was the first version of the Stratos figure: the one with blue wings or the one with red wings??? I know this question has been asked before on the forums but the answers seem to be contradictory.

    Additionally, I would like to know if the Blue Beard Stratos variant was the first version of the Stratos figure or if it came later on.

    I don't know if this information helps but I have a loose Blue Beard Stratos that is marked "Mattel Inc. 1981 Taiwan".

    Thanks in advance for the help!
    Only knew about the red wings variant but not about the others until I joined the Org...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telchar View Post
    Only knew about the red wings variant but not about the others until I joined the Org...
    Can someone help me out here????
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    I'm positive the red wing version was the original. Maybe the blue wing version was made the same year, but a different run?

    This page seems to correlate the red wing version being the first.
    http://www.he-man.org/collecting/toy.php?id=510

    As far as the blue beard version - first I've heard about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureRetro View Post
    I'm positive the red wing version was the original. Maybe the blue wing version was made the same year, but a different run?

    This page seems to correlate the red wing version being the first.
    http://www.he-man.org/collecting/toy.php?id=510

    As far as the blue beard version - first I've heard about it.
    Many thanks for your answer FutureRetro but according to what I have seen that info is not accurate, the Blue Beard Stratos with Blue Wings (I really doubt a MOC Sample with Red Wings ever existed) would be the equivalent to the Half Boots Skeletor or Red Dots Man-at-Arms version which are the very first versions of that figures... That's the reason I think the Stratos with Blue Wings (Blue Beard or Grey Beard) is older than the version with red wings...

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    For sure blue beard is the early stratos version since it is more close to the original prototype. The second and other runs are with less paint apps on them so they didnt paint the beard for stratos.
    Regarding wings I am not very sure about that though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bObA_fEtt_Ox View Post
    For sure blue beard is the early stratos version since it is more close to the original prototype. The second and other runs are with less paint apps on them so they didnt paint the beard for stratos.
    Regarding wings I am not very sure about that though.
    I agree with you Boba and since the Blue Beard Stratos only came with blue wings that would be another proof that the blue wings version was the first one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bObA_fEtt_Ox View Post
    For sure blue beard is the early stratos version since it is more close to the original prototype. The second and other runs are with less paint apps on them so they didnt paint the beard for stratos.
    Regarding wings I am not very sure about that though.
    The color of the beard has nothing to do with how much paint apps was used since his head is molded in red rubber, so both beards, grey or blue are painted on the red rubber.

    Blue Beard Stratos has inverse blue/gray paint apps compared to regular variants. His eyewear is painted grey instead of blue and his eyelids and beard are blue instead of grey. So it must be PRODUCTION ERROR in a short run (until correction was made).




    Blue Beard Stratos was sold on the 8-BACK CARD.
    The question is what Stratos variants were sold on the 8-Back card with NO WARRANTY?

    Here is the one with red wings:



    So the first edition Stratos was the one with red wings (based on NO warranty card)

    and here is the one 12 back Stratos, blue wings variant:



    Is there 12 back card with Stratos with red wings????
    We are talking ONLY ABOUT Stratos made in TAIWAN.

    But to find out about Stratos original design, we should look at the cross- sell art, which shows red wings:



    Or we could check the prototype which shows red wings too (note that early Stratos prototype has torso with smooth chest, not hairy as Beastman, also has no feathers on the harness):






    Until; you see this photo which shows second Teela Prototype and BLUE BEARD, BLUE WING Stratos next to her...with other figures PROTOTYPES or their first releases ("Purple Loincloth" Skeletor, "Red Dots" Man-At-Arms, "striped tail / orange lips" BattleCat...)





    But then again, with the sape second Teela Prototype and other early release figures (or prototypes???) Again red wings Stratos.





    and to add more confusion... here is Stratos BLEU WINGS on the photo with the other FIRST RELEASE figures:




    But based on logic of the design, it would be expected that eyelids and beard are gray as the rest of his body, and eyewear to be blue as his harness and loincloth (or wings in some cases), not vice versa. That's why I believe that blue beard variant is an error.
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    Mantisaur82, your answer was simply awesome! Many thanks for the info my friend, you are indeed very knowleadgeable, congratulations!!

    So, according to your post the Blue Beard version is a production error. That is very interesting.

    Regarding the Red Wings/ Blue Wings question please be advised that I had also seen the Blue Wings Version in an 8 back card and without warranty, although in less numbers than the red wings Stratos counterpart. So that doesn't help us to solve the mistery, right?

    Thanks again for your answer, I really appreaciate it.
    Last edited by Asher99; July 15, 2014 at 08:13am.
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    Mantisaur82 you're da man! Awesome info about one of my favorites figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telchar View Post
    Mantisaur82 you're da man! Awesome info about one of my favorites figures.
    You are right. Mantisaur82 is one of the most knowledgeable collectors out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asher99 View Post
    You are right. Mantisaur82 is one of the most knowledgeable collectors out there.
    Would be great to have all the info about MOTU variants in one place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telchar View Post
    Would be great to have all the info about MOTU variants in one place...
    that would be awesome ... and it would be nice to have them start with wave one and go wave by wave
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    I just saw this picture where among the earliest figure variants (except Battle cat) there is Blue Beard Stratos


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    Many thanks for the picture Mantisaur82!

    It's very interesting than in all this pictures the Blue Beard Stratos figure has blue wings and red harness. The same combination appeared in the pictures of the only MOC sample I know about of this variant.

    It will be very interesting if someone can confirm if the Blue Beard Stratos variant exists with red wings and blue harness.

    Thanks again for your help!!
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    Here is a loose Blue Beard Stratos sample with Red Wings/Blue Harness combination that I bought recently thanks to a fellow Org Member:



    Compare him with this other loose sample of Blue Beard Stratos with the Blue Wings/Red Harness combination:



    I believe both of them to be legit although I have only seen a MOC sample of Blue Beard Stratos with the latter combination.
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    Awesome figures my friend!

    Both of them have the "Mattel Inc. Made in Taiwan" mark, right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telchar View Post
    Awesome figures my friend!

    Both of them have the "Mattel Inc. Made in Taiwan" mark, right??
    That's correct my friend.
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    This information has been very helpful. Can someone tell me the approxiamate value of a loose blue beard Stratos? I saw only 1 completed and sold auction on Ebay for $250. thanks,

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    That's a tough question. It really depends on the condition of the figure.

    Around $300 IMO in very good condition.

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    The original Mark Taylor concept had a blue beard and blue wings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lich Leech View Post
    The original Mark Taylor concept had a blue beard and blue wings
    Many thanks for the info.

    I'm not sure if the concept of Mark Taylor had those colors originally. The same drawing appeared in the Limited Edition MOTU Art Book sold at SDCC, and it was in black and white.

    Talking about this matter I received today this First Edition Stratos 8 back (AFA 85) and as you can see the combination is Red Wings/Blue Jet Pack:



    Last edited by Asher99; Yesterday at 10:36am.
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    Here is the proof that First Edition Stratos also exists in Blue Wings/Red Jet pack combination. It's an AFA 70 Stratos:



    Last edited by Asher99; Yesterday at 10:30am.
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    Nice ones Eduardo !
    Just miss the blue beard and you have all the stratos
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