MOTUC Mekaneck Discussion Thread

**scott metzger** · May 23, 2012, 02:46pm

Originally Posted by JonWes

Sorry this "it's fantasy, whatever goes" thing doesn't work for me. Yes, there is magic. Sure, there is technology... but there needs to be some internal logic. If they can just created longer and longer lengths of a metal on demand (whether magical or otherwise) why not utilize this amazing technology or magic all sorts of places? Why just use it on a guys neck. I can see the smaller neck just folding in on each other or being intersecting rings that sort of transform as he stretches it. But even the longer one bothers me a bit. I'm not saying it's WRONG. I just don't like it.

You have to remember, story and character logic had nothing to do with Mekaneck's creation; it was an idea for an action feature on an action figure, and there's really no more to it than that. The only thought they gave to "How it Works" is turning the waist to make it go up.

It's like trying to explain how Superman's super-strength allows him to lift a plane while he's flying; there's been a lot of different theories and explanations, but it comes down to a suspension of disbelief rather than a logical reason. Meka's neck goes the same place all of Megatron's huge mass did when he transformed into a normal sized gun. If you think about it to much, it'll just hurt your head.

You can't think about this stuff logically. When Bruce Banner hulks out, his pants should turn into shredded strips of material all falling off his body just like his shirt. His tag line should be "Hulk Smash!!! Hulk Bash!!! Hulk...Hulk feel a draft..."

**Eternian Poet** · May 23, 2012, 02:50pm

Originally Posted by scott metzger

You have to remember, story and character logic had nothing to do with Mekaneck's creation; it was an idea for an action feature on an action figure, and there's really no more to it than that.

Yes, but if you do give thought to it, you might come up with some interesting stories or characterisation

**JonWes** · May 23, 2012, 05:15pm

I think there are two approaches - the one that the figure takes (to create an action figure) and the decisions the writers of the comics, tv shows, etc. make. The former can be given lots of leeway. But I think the latter should at least THINK about this stuff. And they might have and still gone the way they did. But in some ways the toy is actually more plausible than than the way it's represented on TV!

Anyway, as to this figure itself, I am glad it has two heights. I think they both look great. I MIGHT even use the longer one.

**Eternian Poet** · May 23, 2012, 05:16pm

Originally Posted by JonWes

I think there are two approaches - the one that the figure takes (to create an action figure) and the decisions the writers of the comics, tv shows, etc. make. The former can be given lots of leeway. But I think the latter should at least THINK about this stuff. And they might have and still gone the way they did. But in some ways the toy is actually more plausible than than the way it's represented on TV!

hahaha! true

**cayman shen** · May 23, 2012, 06:01pm

Who's to say that there isn't some atomically thin accordion segment just below his collar that unfolds as his head extends, reinforced by dedicated nanoparticles which simultaneously reinforce the column that is his neck AND the electronics which augment his brain stem, relaying information to his body? Eternian tech is so advanced it would look like magic to us, but an iphone would look like witchcraft to Shakespeare.

**Eternian Poet** · May 23, 2012, 06:10pm

Originally Posted by cayman shen

Who's to say that there isn't some atomically thin accordion segment just below his collar that unfolds as his head extends, reinforced by dedicated nanoparticles which simultaneously reinforce the column that is his neck AND the electronics which augment his brain stem, relaying information to his body? Eternian tech is so advanced it would look like magic to us, but an iphone would look like witchcraft to Shakespeare.

Sure, why not?

The distinction between magic & tech is so blurred, they may just belong on the same spectrum. No doubt learned Eternians debate the nature of this all of the time

**MasterCollector** · May 24, 2012, 02:24am

Because Mekaneck will be a blue plastic figure, I'm fairly certain this figure is going to have hands cast in blue plastic as well, unless we speak up. The super stiff painted hands concern me because one of my Prince Adam's paint was pulled off when I switched his purple sword with a silver one. Not to mention the difficulty in putting the sword in his hands to begin with.

If possible, I'd like Scott and Matty to avoid this issue by casting his hands in flesh colored plastic. I'd like to know if the painted hands are an issue or concern with a minority of us here at the ORG or not.

**baronterror** · May 24, 2012, 03:44am

I definately do not want painted hands (if that means blue plastic painted flesh)

I will definately get over it if they do, but certainly I dont want it cast like that.

**PAT** · May 24, 2012, 05:09am

We cannot be sure Mekaneck is going to have painted hands but I hand painted hands too.

Prince Adam is a figure I love soooooo much but his painted hands spoils the party. I was so disappointed to see TP He-Man had his closed fist painted too...

Please, no more painted hands ! I'd rather pay the figures a little more.

**Dayton72** · May 24, 2012, 06:32am

Well, since the wrists are ball/socket joints and they have flesh colored hands on other figures, it seems like it would be a simple matter to cast the arms in blue and the hands in flesh tone....pop them together and away we go. But that may not be the most "cost effective solution"....*sigh*

I will hope for non-painted hands as well.

**He-Boy** · May 24, 2012, 06:49am

Isn't this one of the issue we raised and were told they weren't going to do painted hands anymore?

I can't stand painted hands. It ruined Marzo and it ruined Adam. As a result I never put their weapons in their hands because it is too hard and they get damaged.

I would rather Mekaneck be cast in flesh coloured plastic and painted blue.

**He-bro** · May 24, 2012, 06:50am

I agree, even King Randor's hands are an issue. They didn't do a very good job on paint coverage, so you can see red though the paint. And i King's hands shuldn;t look so beat up like a laborer.

**Executioner** · May 24, 2012, 07:18am

Originally Posted by He-Boy

Isn't this one of the issue we raised and were told they weren't going to do painted hands anymore?

I can't stand painted hands. It ruined Marzo and it ruined Adam. As a result I never put their weapons in their hands because it is too hard and they get damaged.

I would rather Mekaneck be cast in flesh coloured plastic and painted blue.

Originally Posted by baronterror

I definately do not want painted hands (if that means blue plastic painted flesh)

I will definately get over it if they do, but certainly I dont want it cast like that.

Could you please not use the term "flesh" or "skin" to indicate a color. Human flesh/skin comes in a multiplicity of colors and by using this term to designate white skin color prioritizes as particular human skin tone as normative. Crayola changed the name of their "skin" crayon color to "peach" in 1962, so we would all do well to follow their 50 year lead. Thank you.

**oICEMANo** · May 24, 2012, 07:49am

C'mon seriously dude?
Obviously the flesh tone would relate to whatever character is being referred to.
If it were Clamp Champ it would still be referred to as flesh/skin tone...

**Teacher of Madness** · May 24, 2012, 08:06am

Originally Posted by oICEMANo

C'mon seriously dude?
Obviously the flesh tone would relate to whatever character is being referred to.
If it were Clamp Champ it would still be referred to as flesh/skin tone...

Can we please stop using the word "C'mon"? The ancient C'mon people of the American North West have been falsely labeled as a people who needed cajoling to complete even the slightest tasks, when archeological evidence as far back 1937 has proven they were in fact industrious and innovative. This is why Crayola changed it's color from "Long-extinct Lazy Whiner" to "Cerulean" in 1963.

**fball13z** · May 24, 2012, 08:19am

Originally Posted by oICEMANo

C'mon seriously dude?
Obviously the flesh tone would relate to whatever character is being referred to.
If it were Clamp Champ it would still be referred to as flesh/skin tone...

what if I want my CC with "peach" colored hands! lol

but back to real life, I do not want painted hands either, but I am worried they hands are in the same mold as the other parts of the body, which would mean it will either be cast in blue and hands painted FLESH tone or it all will be cast in FLESH tone and then arms and legs painted SMURF FLESH tone

**shadowfall1976** · May 24, 2012, 08:47am

We have a guy who materializes a metal neck from somewhere (what else can he extend that you never get to see?)

, may have painted hands, is finally coming....and yet there is fuss about the word Flesh? A Crayon is one thing, because being colored makes it a different story, but the term "Flesh" when not referring to color, just skin tone, with no color involved or implied....means nothing, but whatever skin color you are referring to.

Don't we have enough PC BS in the world today, to not have to worry about one more thing? I am not PC, I say what I say, what I grew up hearing, don't like it, whatever....but that doesn't mean I go around trying to offend people....but no on will tell me for example I can't say Merry Christmas if I so choose.

Anyway whatever, Mek is a figure I had as a kid, was one of my favorites, and I haven't had for many years, getting him again finally with all the articulation after all this time will be awesome, but I do agree, his hands should be molded in whatever his flesh color is. I never opened Prince Adam, never realized his hands were painted, seems stupid to do so, even TP He-Man's fist would look much better molded in his flesh color, instead of painted.

**Dynamo of Eternia** · May 24, 2012, 09:10am

Originally Posted by Executioner

Could you please not use the term "flesh" or "skin" to indicate a color. Human flesh/skin comes in a multiplicity of colors and by using this term to designate white skin color prioritizes as particular human skin tone as normative. Crayola changed the name of their "skin" crayon color to "peach" in 1962, so we would all do well to follow their 50 year lead. Thank you.

Originally Posted by oICEMANo

C'mon seriously dude?
Obviously the flesh tone would relate to whatever character is being referred to.
If it were Clamp Champ it would still be referred to as flesh/skin tone...

I have to agree with oICEMANo on this. It's not meant to be durogatory or anything like that. Anyone who thinks it is is just being overly "P.C." and pretty much looking for something to complain about.

**Lookie** · May 24, 2012, 09:34am

Originally Posted by Executioner

Could you please not use the term "flesh" or "skin" to indicate a color. Human flesh/skin comes in a multiplicity of colors and by using this term to designate white skin color prioritizes as particular human skin tone as normative. Crayola changed the name of their "skin" crayon color to "peach" in 1962, so we would all do well to follow their 50 year lead. Thank you.

Congrats! You have my vote for "Worst post of the year". I guess I missed the sentence where he said all skin and flesh is white.

**Eternian Poet** · May 24, 2012, 10:07am

Executioner has a point - the make-up & garment industries often refer to "pink" as "flesh" & "brown" as "brown".

Whether or not Orgers were using "flesh" with specific reference to a character's skin colour is debateable. But his point about the wider use of the term "flesh" is valid.

And yeah, uh, Mekaneck

**oICEMANo** · May 24, 2012, 10:20am

Sure but here we are all referring to a portion of the figure that is indicative of his skin colour regardless of whether he is Caucasian, African, Asian, Gar etc so it really wasn't necessary to to bring it up.
Yeah Mechanek is "caucasian" but if this thread was about Clamp Champ or Keldor would we be having this discussion?

**WDWFreak53** · May 24, 2012, 10:34am

Originally Posted by Executioner

Could you please not use the term "flesh" or "skin" to indicate a color. Human flesh/skin comes in a multiplicity of colors and by using this term to designate white skin color prioritizes as particular human skin tone as normative. Crayola changed the name of their "skin" crayon color to "peach" in 1962, so we would all do well to follow their 50 year lead. Thank you.

So, by that logic...we shouldn't say "Kleenex" because not all tissue is Kleenex. I don't get the over PC'ness of people.
The term "flesh" as a color automatically brings up a certain hue. It doesn't mean that it's racial...

Saying "Peach" is really a "Flesh color" is also wrong. Peach has an orange hue to it...whereas Flesh is more of a light tan.

That being said, I am REALLY looking forward to Mek...he was always one of my favorites and can't wait to add him to my collection. I've been looking forward to him more than any other heroic warrior for the past few years.

**Barnster** · May 24, 2012, 10:40am

As far as I am concerned: Peach is NOT a color! It is a fruit! Please stop offending fruits!

**Balthus Dire** · May 24, 2012, 10:45am

Give me a break.

**EldestSon** · May 24, 2012, 10:46am

Originally Posted by JonWes

Sorry this "it's fantasy, whatever goes" thing doesn't work for me. Yes, there is magic. Sure, there is technology... but there needs to be some internal logic. If they can just created longer and longer lengths of a metal on demand (whether magical or otherwise) why not utilize this amazing technology or magic all sorts of places? Why just use it on a guys neck. I can see the smaller neck just folding in on each other or being intersecting rings that sort of transform as he stretches it. But even the longer one bothers me a bit. I'm not saying it's WRONG. I just don't like it.

they should create a lot more power swords while they're at it.

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