No more Demo-Man??

**bcrduke** · January 28, 2009, 11:00pm

I got my Skeletor figure today.

It's wonderful (though, the paint on his face could have been applied better), but I noticed that it has the OLD bio on the card-back.

Now, I don't know if I should open him. I firmly believe Mattel is going to re-issue He-Man, Beast-Man, AND Skeletor... heck, they might even do a He-Man/Skeletor 2 pack (which would be really cool)... but I might want to keep this one with the "Interdimensional being" as opposed to one later that may very well have "Demo-Man" in the bio.

Thoughts?

**Darkspecter** · January 28, 2009, 11:15pm

Good point. I don't think we quite fully dodged that bullet.

The 2nd release of Skelly most likely will say Demo-Man on it. So...if you hate Demo-Man, I say don't open this Skeletor and wait for it. Just my opinion.

**nutnog** · January 28, 2009, 11:18pm

Demo-man is a loser

**hhhelmsley** · January 28, 2009, 11:18pm

I believe the Demo-Man bio is only for Mattycollector.

**Lord Eternos** · January 28, 2009, 11:30pm

I think they came up with the idea too late to get it on the apckage. As in last week. I think if there is na second release, or maybe when battle Armor is released, we will see Demoman

**bcrduke** · January 29, 2009, 12:03am

Cool. Good advice, friends.

I am going to NYCC, so maybe I will just buy another one there (and save the shipping), and open that one or something... It's torture not being able to take him out of the package!!!

**Patreek** · January 29, 2009, 12:24am

Originally Posted by nutnog

Demo-man is a loser

**Scare Glow** · January 29, 2009, 12:49am

Originally Posted by nutnog

Demo-man is a loser

This whole Demo-Man thing just sounds so hokey to me . . . .

They might as well go full on cornball and say Keldor was merged with a “D-Man.”

I like the interdimensional being concept; it sounds good and lends itself well to the new hybrid continuity while respecting what came before.

Demo-Man sounds like something which would be used at mass retail at the behest of conservative corporate heads afraid of the word demon; which shouldn’t matter in a line like this. Besides, the first idea of the other-dimensional being was absolutely fine.

**danielsan52** · January 29, 2009, 05:08am

I'm wondering if Mattel just threw that out there to gauge a response. While I like the idea of a new figure, I'll admit the name is somewhat underwhelming.

I wonder if Demo-Man's head will resemble the Havoc Staff....how cool would that be?? I also wonder if the Havoc staff head is on a ball joint. I tried to pull it off but was afraid it would break.

**TrimmTrabb** · January 29, 2009, 06:58am

This has been discussed many times. The trademark or copyright or whatever didn't clear in time to get it on the cardback. That's why it's not on there.

**Xena-She-Ra** · January 29, 2009, 07:14am

Sorry if this has been answered b4 but who is DEMO-MAN? I've neva heard of him since this card back on Matty collector. So who is he? Did he just get made up by Matty Collector or the 4 horsemen for motuc?

**Agent-GHQ** · January 29, 2009, 07:15am

Not sure if I understood a lick of what you're trying to say here??

**super-munkyboy** · January 29, 2009, 07:20am

My feelings....

Imagine my hand and in it is the physical embodiment of the idea of Demo-Man. Oh look how it sparkles with stupidity. Go on poke it...

Now watch me open a portal to Despondos....

"Back you go you foul accursed piece of back story...."

*Beats it back with a plank of wood with a nail in it.*

This house is clean.

**Motorthing** · January 29, 2009, 08:32am

God bless the Bureaucracy that held up that trade mark - we dodged a bullet with that one.

Just another reason, if needed, to order at 12.00 est on the 15th cos at least then you got the non-sucky bio........

Whole episode doesn't exactly fill me full of confidence in Mattel's current MOTU Ideas Dept............

**PaTrIcKfOgArTy** · January 29, 2009, 08:36am

Originally Posted by Xena-She-Ra

Sorry if this has been answered b4 but who is DEMO-MAN? I've neva heard of him since this card back on Matty collector. So who is he? Did he just get made up by Matty Collector or the 4 horsemen for motuc?

Demo-Man was unheard of to the public until posted at Matty.com
Here is Toyguru's post explaining the history a bit. Basically when we see Keldor in the 200x toon get "saved" by Hordak and turned into Skeletor it's because Hordak merges Keldor with a demon named Demo-Man from Despondos, creating Skeletor, Overlord of Evil.

As you will read more, the idea of Demo-Man is either liked or hated amongst fans.

I for one am thrilled with the additional information on Skeletor and think it was great for Mattel to actually work into the mythos something that was unheard of, in a major way...(ducks and runs out of thread...lol)

Originally Posted by Toyguru

...Demo-Man was one of the original names for Skeletor's character in the early concept notes. Originally the line was He-Man vs. Demo-Man (i.e. Demon-Man, as reflected in the original mini comics that the character was a demon from another dimension).

...since Demo-man didn't make the cut originally in the 1980s, it made sense to use this name as the spirit from Despondos who Hordak merged with Keldor to form Skeletor as a nod to Skeletor's original name in the toy notes...

Oh and the reason Demo-Man was not in the printed bio was because the copyright had not cleared yet. As soon as it did clear we added it back in.

Hope that helps!

TG

**Minion** · January 29, 2009, 11:05am

As i've mentioned elsewhere I am all for this in the MOTUC story. It's a fresh take on all things MOTU and doesn't affect the original story.
As a name Demo-man isn't particularly original, but then few MOTU names are. For me that's part of the charm of the whole property.

I'd welcome seeing Demo-man mentioned on forthcoming Skeletor releases.

**capitalzero** · January 29, 2009, 11:35am

Yes, because "Mosquitor" and "Fisto" are high literature.

**Brian Ozone** · January 29, 2009, 06:31pm

well ill be asking mattel this at the con who the hell is he?

**Adam_Prince of Eternia** · January 29, 2009, 07:15pm

Originally Posted by TrimmTrabb

This has been discussed many times. The trademark or copyright or whatever didn't clear in time to get it on the cardback. That's why it's not on there.

A mark need not be registered to qualify for protection. Protection arises from use of the mark. If "Demo-Man" is not on the packaging, it is for another reason.

**King Kahn** · January 29, 2009, 09:48pm

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

A mark need not be registered to qualify for protection. Protection arises from use of the mark. If "Demo-Man" is not on the packaging, it is for another reason.

true
that is why demo-man isnt on there. sure, they could have used the name but what if they did and couldnt secure the name?

what if they put it on there and THEN found out that somewhere there was a demo-man(doubtful lol lol) trademarked for some other toy line

they would have then named an entity/being that they could NEVER produce with that name and would therefor have to rename since they didnt own the name, rattlor and fisto are good examples of this in the 2002 line.

so they played it safe and waited to retroactively add it into the bio. now they own a character with that name.

**kenobi96** · January 29, 2009, 09:55pm

I will say it again... isn't Skeletor supposed to be from Infinita? If Keldor was from Eternia and Demo-Man from Despondos, where does the Infinita story come into play??

**Scare Glow** · January 29, 2009, 10:33pm

Originally Posted by kenobi96

I will say it again... isn't Skeletor supposed to be from Infinita? If Keldor was from Eternia and Demo-Man from Despondos, where does the Infinita story come into play??

It clearly does not. That particular angle was scraped in favor of the Keldor explanation. Skeletor, the demon from Infinita, and the Skeletor which was created from Keldor’s mingling with magic are two different continuities. Perhaps, in this blending of all cannons, Despondos is actually a fresh take on infinita, and Demo-Man represents the original concept blended with the new.

Originally Posted by Toyguru

...Demo-Man was one of the original names for Skeletor's character in the early concept notes. Originally the line was He-Man vs. Demo-Man (i.e. Demon-Man, as reflected in the original mini comics that the character was a demon from another dimension).

...since Demo-man didn't make the cut originally in the 1980s, it made sense to use this name as the spirit from Despondos who Hordak merged with Keldor to form Skeletor as a nod to Skeletor's original name in the toy notes...

That’s all fine and good, and I can understand where they’re coming from; but there are reasons why that idea was shelved. I know most of the MOTU names are goofy but the nostalgia factor makes them appealing. Demo-Man, which most fans were never exposed to, has no such fondness attached to it. It just sounds bad; bad even for the eighties.

Lending additional coolness to Skeletor (arguably one of the most awesome villains ever) by making him more or less the humanoid form of a demon who (thinking it was clever?), decided to call himself Demo-Man, well it’s not how I would do it; that’s for sure. It would be like me calling myself (using screen names) Scare Glow-Man. Hmm, actually that’s not even a real accurate comparison; it would be more like me calling myself Man-Man, since I’m a male. Some things get shelved for a reason.

Well, that’s how I feel about it anyway.

Regards:
Your friendly neighborhood Man-Man

**masque** · January 30, 2009, 09:37am

Originally Posted by Scare Glow

That’s all fine and good, and I can understand where they’re coming from; but there are reasons why that idea was shelved. I know most of the MOTU names are goofy but the nostalgia factor makes them appealing. Demo-Man, which most fans were never exposed to, has no such fondness attached to it. It just sounds bad; bad even for the eighties.

Agreed!!!!

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