MotUC All Things Hordak, Pics and Discussion (Reg, Hurricane, Spirit)

**PaTrIcKfOgArTy** · March 25, 2009, 10:23am

The original DC mini comic's were first right? Wouldn't that make everything after them the truly after thoughts?

Filmation
Variety of Comics (Mattel/Star/etc.)
NA
Live Action Movie
MYP
MVCreations Comics
MOTUC

Story line wise when the MYP toon came out in conjunction with the MVCreations comic that became "my" MOTU story line and I was VERY attached to it. The disappointment I felt though when they ended made me realize I was too attached and misguided in trying to have "one" true story. Now I just appreciate the different versions for what they are and kind of hold on to what I enjoy.

So far I'm enjoying the MOTUC canon. Nothing has disturbed me so much that I'm not happy. I could do without the real names, as they mean nothing to me, but I appreciate the attempt to interject something new into the mythos.

We're a long way away from the original story as told by the DC mini comics - and for that I'm glad to see so many different aspects of MOTU.

**TheShadow** · March 25, 2009, 12:10pm

Originally Posted by PaTrIcKfOgArTy

The original DC mini comic's were first right? Wouldn't that make everything after them the truly after thoughts?

Not when you look at the classic series as a whole. The main advertising vehicle for the entire franchise was the Filmation cartoon series. It has the most weight in my mind, all things considered. And the problem with that is the whole rights issue things of what Mattel can and cannot do. Perhaps they cannot even use the name Etheria? Who knows!

Some of the changes I do not mind. Squiddish Rex for example I thought was a cool name that fit Merman. However, someone like Hordak does not need a real name unless there is a very good reasoning behind it -- such as if he was a fallen elder that was hinted at in the mini comics. However, Hec-Tor Kur? Hector? That is not unique sounding to me like Randor, Keldor, Marlena, Teela, Adora, et cetera. I'm not saying all names would be a winner, but this one is pretty much fail. I also have to wonder who is approving some of these things. The simple tag line under his name is very redundant: "Evil Leader of the Evil Horde". Someone against the word Ruthless?

At least the figure is beautiful (though he would be better with blue skin) and the card is not nothing I'll be staring at anyway.

**Baena** · March 25, 2009, 12:57pm

As much as I really don't care much for the Filmation toon, I have to agree with Shads here that overall, the old Filmation toon was equal or more to the toys in terms of making it the big hit that it was. The toys and the toon went hand in hand in the success overall.
The toon was ambitious, it was of the very few cartoons to throw out 5 new episodes a week, that's some heavy hittin' with the kiddies back in the day, I know for me it contributed to many homework chores left unfinished.

And when people casually remember MotU today, it's the Filmation stuff they remember most. They remember the toys and the toon, and I would guess that more people remember the toon even over the toys.

Fewer folks even remember that the toys had comics with them, and they barely remember the comics at that.

**PaTrIcKfOgArTy** · March 25, 2009, 03:03pm

Yeah, I agree the Filmation toon is what really lingers closely to what people love most about MOTU generally.

My only point is that the DC comics were indeed first - be it that they may not have been the most popular or had an appeal that attracted the droves of fans, regardless they were first and therefore the first story line.

Everything else is an after thought; and so seems the only consistent in the MOTU world. New canons inspired by the previous, constantly changing, evolving and never ending. That I love.

**Baena** · March 25, 2009, 03:16pm

If you want technicalities on what was first, it wasn't the DC minis, it was the four before those. He-Man and the Power Sword, King of Castle Grayskull, Vengeance of Skeletor and Battle in the Clouds.

Mattel produced those I believe, then the next year they did the DC ones, along with the DC miniseries of three issues.

**Darkspecter** · March 25, 2009, 03:21pm

Originally Posted by MegaGearMax

The original creators would die if someone made their one-note characters into more fully fleshed out characters?

That's like lamenting that Batman was better off before "The Dark Knight Returns" or Batman the Animated Series. Sure the "Lucasian" names need to sound more Eternian and some are unnecessary, but some fans are actually against more stuff being written about characters who barely have any history in the first place.

Imagine when we get to Mekaneck or some character who really needs some layers.

No, I'm all for flushing out characters and what they're about. Batman the Animated Series is a perfect example. It was superb! I LOVED BTAS. Sure they changed some characters origins, etc. (best example is Mr. Freeze) but they made AWESOME changes. Instead of being a jewel theif who had an accident (yawn) he was a respected doctor trying to save his wife and had a terrible accident and kind of went insane/vengeful when he thinks she died (interesting).

There's a lot MYP did I loved which was "new" and a lot I didn't (a.k.a. making everyone related Fisto, Teela, Duncan, etc, etc. Finding out Duncan was her REAL dad would have been exceptional though). There's also loads of fan fiction out there which is amazing! A lot of the new bios are okay....it's just the "real names". It's like something you'd find in a parody like Mad Magazine, SNL, etc. It doesn't hold up to a high standard which mainstream, and even a lot of hardcore fans, enjoy or respect. Just sayin.

**PaTrIcKfOgArTy** · March 25, 2009, 03:22pm

Originally Posted by Baena

If you want technicalities on what was first, it wasn't the DC minis, it was the four before those. He-Man and the Power Sword, King of Castle Grayskull, Vengeance of Skeletor and Battle in the Clouds.

Mattel produced those I believe, then the next year they did the DC ones, along with the DC miniseries of three issues.

I had found this is it not accurate?:

"A total of 49 mini-comics were produced as inserts for the Masters Of The Universe action figures. The first 11 issues were produced by DC Comics in 1982 and 1983. The subsequent 38 were produced by Mattel from 1984 to 1987."

**MegaGearMax** · March 25, 2009, 03:26pm

Originally Posted by Baena

If you want technicalities on what was first, it wasn't the DC minis, it was the four before those. He-Man and the Power Sword, King of Castle Grayskull, Vengeance of Skeletor and Battle in the Clouds.

Mattel produced those I believe, then the next year they did the DC ones, along with the DC miniseries of three issues.

I think the Texiera mini's and the Point Dread two part book were produced around the same time as the DC mini. I'm not sure what actually came out first, only knowing of the mini-comics (I was first aware that DC even did a MOTU comic in 1986).

Basically, there is a whole canon of He-Man having no secret identity and slaying monsters. However, the Alcala mini's and the Texiera mini's don't seem like the same characters...I guess it's because of the extended world we got in the Texiera books.

**Eamon** · March 25, 2009, 03:28pm

I would agree that it was the toon that really pushed MOTU into the limelight.

However from Mattel's point of view, the Filmation toon was merely an advert.

80% of all merchandise and marketing artwork was the more gritty comic book stuff.
Yes folks remember the toon more but the wasn't the product.
The product was MOTU and everything esle to do with that product from toys, to box arts, to promo material was gritty.

If I had my way, I'd have Filmation's HMATMOTU as a seperate entity (and for all intensive purposes it is, it even has a different name). One that I could easily avoid!

**PaTrIcKfOgArTy** · March 25, 2009, 03:29pm

I so totally need a list of canons in order of release - is there a definitive one somewhere?

**illicitjedi** · March 25, 2009, 06:14pm

I though that Horde members were suposed to have stickers on their packages to signify what group they are in? I don't see one on his blister.

**Patreek** · March 25, 2009, 06:44pm

IT may just be because this thing is stolen and they hadn't gotten that far. HOwever, its a good question, you should ask about it in the QandA thread.

**grenadaspice** · March 25, 2009, 06:47pm

Originally Posted by PaTrIcKfOgArTy

I so totally need a list of canons in order of release - is there a definitive one somewhere?

Yeah, it's called Masters of the Universe Classics...lol.

You know, I just thought of something. What if Hek-Tor was a play on words with the word "heck", as in a being that caused a lot of hell, or to be PC, caused a lot of heck? If you think of it like that, then Hrk-Tor is as cheesy as any classic MOTU name. Also, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Toy Guru reveals that Hek-Tor was the original name for Hordak in the 80's, just like Skeletor was originally sippar to be Demo-Man.

**MegaGearMax** · March 25, 2009, 07:06pm

Originally Posted by grenadaspice

Yeah, it's called Masters of the Universe Classics...lol.

You know, I just thought of something. What if Hek-Tor was a play on words with the word "heck", as in a being that caused a lot of hell, or to be PC, caused a lot of heck? If you think of it like that, then Hrk-Tor is as cheesy as any classic MOTU name. Also, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Toy Guru reveals that Hek-Tor was the original name for Hordak in the 80's, just like Skeletor was originally sippar to be Demo-Man.

I'll bet it's either that or a homage to the guy who created the Hordak character.

**Patreek** · March 25, 2009, 07:21pm

Originally Posted by grenadaspice

Yeah, it's called Masters of the Universe Classics...lol.

You know, I just thought of something. What if Hek-Tor was a play on words with the word "heck", as in a being that caused a lot of hell, or to be PC, caused a lot of heck? If you think of it like that, then Hrk-Tor is as cheesy as any classic MOTU name. Also, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Toy Guru reveals that Hek-Tor was the original name for Hordak in the 80's, just like Skeletor was originally sippar to be Demo-Man.

... no no, I think its still REALLY cheesy.

**gbagok** · March 25, 2009, 07:24pm

Originally Posted by PaTrIcKfOgArTy

I so totally need a list of canons in order of release - is there a definitive one somewhere?

None and all are definitive. As grenadaspice demonstrated, it can be whichever one is most current or that you choose to raise above the others.

I'll take a stab at the release order that someone else can correct and/or add to because I don't know about any of the DC or Star comics or the UK magazines or the various books.

The first four mini comics (has a green sorceress and no Prince Adam)
The second wave of mini comics (still no Prince Adam but Sorceress isn't green and is now the Goddess and Zoar is a separate creature who is red)
Third Wave of mini comics (I think these were the Alcala comics with Adam in blue and an elderly looking Randor and Marlena)
The Filmation MOTU and PoP Series
Later waves of mini comics (toy intro of the Horde, the Snake Men, the Towers of Eternia, and set up for He-Ro--appearance of Randor and Sorceress aren't finalized until they get figures starting with Search for Keldor)
The Princess of Power Mini comics (first issue especially seems to work along with the later wave of MOTU mini comics--except for the Sorceress's costume is pink)
NA mini comics (though like PoP, they may be the same canon as the later wavers of the MOTU mini comics)
The New Adventures of He-Man series
The 2002 Series

**blindell** · March 25, 2009, 07:32pm

Originally Posted by Overhaul

I'm going to take the day off of work so I can make sure I don't miss out on this bad boy!!!

I cant believe this, but I am actually going to take my laptop to work with me, and about 15 minutes prior, going to sit down and get ready to order. Crazy, but I gotta go what I gotta do.

**Kevenn** · March 25, 2009, 07:50pm

I don't see why "Etheria" would be off limits. Both the MOTU and POP mini comics used Etheria back in the day. The Horde were even referred to as "The Evil Horde from Etheria" in the He-Man mini comics.

**MegaGearMax** · March 25, 2009, 09:18pm

Originally Posted by Kevenn

I don't see why "Etheria" would be off limits. Both the MOTU and POP mini comics used Etheria back in the day. The Horde were even referred to as "The Evil Horde from Etheria" in the He-Man mini comics.

I think Mattel is trying to keep MOTU on Eternia, or at least relevant to it. Space is NA turf, and having MOTU taking place all across the cosmos steps on NA's toes. Fans might say "MOTU always happened on other worlds", but that was before Mattel tried having a whole toyline of specifically "He-Man in Space". Since NA, He-Man has pretty much stayed on Eternia.

It's probably how they plan on making POP and NA more relevant anyway...the POP characters are just more Eternians, while the NA crew feed all the fans who want galactic adventures.

**grenadaspice** · March 25, 2009, 09:19pm

Originally Posted by Patreek

... no no, I think its still REALLY cheesy.

Lol...all I'm saying is if you picture his name as Heck-Tor, with the emphasis being on the word "heck", then his name becomes no better or worse than Webstor, which I'm sure the 1st time anyone heard that name, they were thinking of Emmanuel Lewis. And you can include names like fellow Horde members Dragstor & Grizzlor to the list. Or what about Rattlor & Megator? So, if you look at Hek to mean Heck, then it is your clasice bad Motu name.

**Patreek** · March 25, 2009, 09:41pm

except webster doesn't sound like a middle aged balding guy. The pun is evident when you see the name, but when you say it ... his name is Hector... which... is just really lame when you are as bad and awesome as hordak. Its like calling him George, thats why I don't like it. Hek-tos, or Hek-to I'd like at least a LITTLE more.

I mean I see what you are saying and its cool you like it, i just really don't.

**gbagok** · March 25, 2009, 09:44pm

Originally Posted by MegaGearMax

I think Mattel is trying to keep MOTU on Eternia, or at least relevant to it. Space is NA turf, and having MOTU taking place all across the cosmos steps on NA's toes. Fans might say "MOTU always happened on other worlds", but that was before Mattel tried having a whole toyline of specifically "He-Man in Space". Since NA, He-Man has pretty much stayed on Eternia.

It's probably how they plan on making POP and NA more relevant anyway...the POP characters are just more Eternians, while the NA crew feed all the fans who want galactic adventures.

Ugh. No offense, but I hate that idea. It's Masters of the Universe, not Masters of Eternia. Etheria, Trolla, Primus, Denebria--they're other planets in the whole canon with Eternia. There is nothing wrong with that.

**G-Man** · March 25, 2009, 11:50pm

my thoughts:

overall i like the figure but I think the belly-shirt armor is really lame. why do these figures need that particular articulation anyway? it's pointless. and couldn't they have just made a full torso armor that would inhibit that. it would have looked alot better than his belly shirt armor. "oh, don't stab me in my most vulnerable and centered part of my body, he-man!"

everything else about the figure is cool ... still the 200x staction is in a whole different league.

as for the packaging ... ugh.

it needs the horde sticker and if it doesn't have it that is not a nod to the "classics" as this line is supposed to be. the old horde cards were super cool with the horde symbol on them. I feel mattel is making a big design mistake if they don't do that.

also, this is late as we are five figures into production but ... what's with the "adult collector" tag? is that necessary?

and then you have the "names" ... good lord, I feel whomever is writing those should be fired. i mean, is it a coincidence that 95% of us hate them?

Personally, I feel like I could design the packaging 10 times better than these designers but that's just my opinion.

BUT ... i guess when the packaging is our biggest gripe then things could be alot worse ... Skeletor could be wearing a gold cape with giant snakes coming out of his arms ... oh, wait ...

**Teela-Na** · March 26, 2009, 12:41am

Originally Posted by gbagok

None and all are definitive. As grenadaspice demonstrated, it can be whichever one is most current or that you choose to raise above the others.

I'll take a stab at the release order that someone else can correct and/or add to because I don't know about any of the DC or Star comics or the UK magazines or the various books.

The first four mini comics (has a green sorceress and no Prince Adam)
The second wave of mini comics (still no Prince Adam but Sorceress isn't green and is now the Goddess and Zoar is a separate creature who is red)
Third Wave of mini comics (I think these were the Alcala comics with Adam in blue and an elderly looking Randor and Marlena)
The Filmation MOTU and PoP Series
Later waves of mini comics (toy intro of the Horde, the Snake Men, the Towers of Eternia, and set up for He-Ro--appearance of Randor and Sorceress aren't finalized until they get figures starting with Search for Keldor)
The Princess of Power Mini comics (first issue especially seems to work along with the later wave of MOTU mini comics--except for the Sorceress's costume is pink)
NA mini comics (though like PoP, they may be the same canon as the later wavers of the MOTU mini comics)
The New Adventures of He-Man series
The 2002 Series

I thought only the very first mini comic has a green goddess. The next three has her in regular colored flesh. Also, the first four were by Alcala and the ones after that were by Texiera. Alcala did a few later on but he's associated with the first four. The DC comics mini series (with art by the likes of George Tuska) were after the first few mini comics but before the Filmation cartoon.

**Lord Anubis** · March 26, 2009, 02:46am

I think the sports bra armor is a total fail and looks bad.

Plus Hector can go to hell, Hordak 4 life.

Tor-Hek woulda been better, but now I think of some old guy selling oranges, in a metal sports bra.

I better copyright that before mattel makes a mail away figure......

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