Yeah, unfortunately such a venture would be VERY expensive - even if it's just web only. If they can't do mini-comics we're a ways off from animated stuff. I do think it's a cool idea.
Good points...Originally Posted by mjharwood
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Yeah, unfortunately such a venture would be VERY expensive - even if it's just web only. If they can't do mini-comics we're a ways off from animated stuff. I do think it's a cool idea.
What do you mean they are impossible to find? Every store I go to is loaded to the bone with them as if they aren't even selling them. In fact, it is insulting that one line has two or three times the shelf space that all of the DC lines get.
If you re-read my post carefully, I mention that when new characters come out they are impossible to find for months. The ones you see clogging the shelves right now are from wave 1 or 2... Leftovers that aren't being bought because many parents like myself found ourselves in the Christmas crunch and in order to see happy kids for the holidays resulted to aftermarket bidding wars, if you catch my drift. Other than those, there are variants of the first waves of characters, which seem to be hard to find for a couple of weeks after they are released, and then get easier to find.
But there is a character that came out shortly before SDCC that I have only seen once (and grabbed for my daughter as soon as I saw it), and another that was allegedly released at the same time that I haven't even had the fortune of finding once...
With MOTUC being an online with subscription, I thought my retail hunting days were over. Monster High, and now Hot Wheels Nostalgia collection, have brought me back into the fields.
This would be one of those issues where the answer "Logistics" REALLY works... sadly.
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I would want the "Classics bios" to be ignored and have it be similar to the early mini-comics.
I'd like to see very little of the Purple Spector, unless he's a comedic relief...
Toyguru, read this: The Rebellion needs Glimmer!! I NEED Glimmer!! Pretty Please?
Abbey Bominable and Clawd Wolf, right?
Personally, I love the look of the MH dolls and wish my daughters were into them. As opposed to Bratz, L.I.V., and others, I wouldn't mind spending my money on these.
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Haven't found Abbey yet, saw Spectra Vondergeist once (and snatched her as a surprise for my daughter)... I have seen a few Clawds, but now that you mention it, not as much as the other variants and such.
This is the only doll line my daughter has been interested in ever. We tried to get her into Bratz when she was younger as she was totally anti-Barbie, but after 10 minutes, the dolls were cast away. Monster High, she actually begged me to buy shelves for her to display them.
I forgot about Spectra. I've seen her once, seen Clawd a couple of times. The only Abbey I've seen is the "patchwork" plush doll.
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I will change my avatar as soon as Imp is made in MOTUC
Yes, with a more modern television structure. Changing it up each season as an arc.
Season 1: Trolla / He-ro and KG leading up to the first ultimate battleground (with occasional glimpses of a brown cloaked figure)
Season 2: Vikor and the intervening years leading to the Great Unrest. Keldor's banishment
Season 3: Adam / He-Man & Skeletor leading up to the Sword of Protection
Season 4: The Rebellion / She-Ra
Season 5: Rise of the Towers / He-Man's time in Preternia. Return of Miro The Second Ultimate Battleground
Season 6: Dealing with the new peace. Tri-Solar System
Season 7: Dare
I've been a way from this forum and even the world of He-Man for several years so I haven't kept up with what's going on with the franchise. In fact, I just found out about this toyline. I am impressed with the level of detail that went into creating backstories for these figures. It seems like their bios draw from several sources like the 2002 cartoon, the Filmation series, the 80's toys and more. Just reading the bios gives me a fairly clear picture of the mythos surrounding these characters. Is all this being set up as the framework for a new cartoon series?
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I hope not. Not that I don't want a new cartoon, I just don't want this bio story to ever be used again.
No. They were written by TG, the brand manager. Just like the "let's create a brand new character to celebrate the anniversary" thing, it's a way for someone who is in middle management at a toy company to put their "Imprint" on the brand in hopes of being included should a future entertainment project (series, film, etc.) is made of MOTU. Should they choose to use those ideas, the new character he created, etc., to be involved in an actual entertainment production if it occurs.
I suspect we are going to see He-man return to the TV soon enough, but the bios are not a sign of the series. Like Etherian said, they were written by TG. I'm hoping the new series would blaze a trail in the MOTU series and get the best of the bios and make them better.
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I actually think they may factor into the forthcoming Sony movie.
If Scott has his way they will.
A Want List of Sorts:
Rokkon, Stonedar, Nepthu, Plundor, Sea Hawk, Strong-Arm, Dactys, Horde Troopers, Storm, Geldor, Modulok, Battle Ram, Kowl, Loo-Kee, Hydron, Glimmer, Eldor, Two Bad, Ninjor, Rio Blast, Mermista, Entrapta, Sweet Bee, Peekablue, Flutterina, Gorpo, Flogg, Crimson Fury, Songster, Lodar, Kex Queen, Goat Man, Darius, Uncle Montork, Dree-Elle
Pretty much this. These bios are terribly written generic crap. I have no problem ignoring them, I just don't want them used on any future incarnations of the property.
They better stick with some cartoon movies, like DC does.
MOTU as a movie would fail. You can't compare it to the Marvel movies, those are established, MOTU is not.
I would want to see some cool 90 minute cartoons, where the characters look like they should...
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Filmation gave us:
- a very kids-oriented cartoon
- so excessively mild, that villains seldom represent a serious menace
- frequently displaying too-obvious moral preaching
- animated in traditional American cartoon style
- that got cheapened by the use of stock animation because of budgetary constraints
- but which allowed for the production of a very large number of episodes
- each telling mostly independent tales, without a cohesive story arc
- but with an absolutely fantastic soundtrack
MYP gave us:
- an almost adult-oriented anime
- with an excessively violent, gore-and-explosions-are-so-entertaining approach
- rendered in amazing visual detail, but with too much Japanese-style exaggeration and unrealistic stylization
- featuring much more credible villains and threats
- and much better storytelling, character development and continuity
- that unfortunately got cancelled before the full story-arc could be told
For a new cartoon series, I'd like:
- modern 3D-graphics computer-generated animation
- depicting vast awe-inspiring landscapes, realistic movements and detailed character renderings, that nonetheless retain the essence of their MotU Classics designs
- portraying a role-model hero with a deep sense of ethics and duty, in a mature, non-patronizing way
- without gratuitous displays of exaggerated smashing and bloodfeast—no violence beyond that strictly necessary to tell a story where credible villains pose actual threats
- a serious tone more akin to the early minicomics and MYP than Filmation—but without overdoing it too far, with room for the ocasional lightheartedness and clever humour
- with a grandiose backbone continuity, encompassing all four corners of the mythos (MotU, PoP, PoG and NA)
- but with ocasional excursions exploring lesser, more independent storylines
- integrating a wide and varied selection of characters and locations
- sprinkled with nods and homages to its predecessors, such as:
- "scene change" sequences, such as the already-classic Power Sword sequence
- a retelling of some iconic plots, such as The Dragon's Gift or The Problem with Power
- a soundtrack that cleverly integrates new elements with some of the most beloved classic themes from Filmation
- some acknowledgement of the action movie's plot, with He-Man briefly visiting his mother's homeplanet
I would structure it as a monumental quadrilogy, with each part focused on the storylines surrounding each of the four main villain factions:
- Part I: The tales of present-day Eternia, with He-Man and his allies fighting Skeletor and his Evil Warriors as their main nemesis.
- Part II: The chronicles of present-day Etheria, with She-Ra and the Rebellion fighting against Hordak and the Horde.
- Part III: The past history of Eternia, from He-Ro and King Grayskull's Preternia until finally arriving at the present with the fight against the second rise of the Snakemen, the main antagonists of this part.
- Part IV: The future adventures in the Tri-Solar system, with He-Man joining the Galactic Protectors in their fight against the Space Mutants and Skeletor.
Supposing each part were offered as a 26-installment season, with a half-season break (13+13), a possible structural scheme offering a variety of episode lengths to accomodate both longer and shorter subplots, could be:
- One long (60 min) season-opening special, establishing the central themes and story-arc for the corresponding part.
- First block of 6 regular (30 min) episodes, developing the main subplots and character developments; intertwined with 5 installments of two short episodes each (15+15 min) for other character introductions and lesser storylines.
- A mid-season two-part double episode (30+30 min), with the first part ending in a cliff-hanger.
- Second block of intertwined 6 + 5x2 episodes.
- One long season-finale special, connecting the concluding sub-story-arc with the next part.
The full saga would thus be told through 4 seasons, encompassing 144 (36x4) episodes, offered in 104 (26x4) installments, for a total of 56 (14x4) hours of animation (the running time of 153 Filmation episodes, or 112 MYP episodes). Certainly an ambitious undertaking, but I think the greatness of the MotU mythos would deserve it.
An idea for the general story-arcs could be:
- Part I: Kickstarted with a shot of Captain Glenn leaving Earth and fortuitously arriving on Eternia, her meeting and marriage to King Randor, the fall and disappearance of his brother Keldor, the birth of the royal twins, with a brief glimpse of Hordak kidnapping Adora, and the Sorceress finally entrusting an adolescent Adam with the Power of Grayskull to become He-Man and defend Eternia against the new menace of Skeletor and his minions. This season would tell us the backstories of He-Man and his allies, as well as Skeletor and his minions, while taking us on a tour of the various regions and races of Eternia (the birdpeople of Avion, Granamyr and the dragons, the Andreenids, the Gars, the Qadians, etc.). A few episodes would take us on trip outside Eternia, briefly visiting some other planets and moons, such as Orko's homeplanet Trolla. The season finale would see He-Man travelling to Etheria, leading to the discovery of his long-lost sister.
- Part II: Taking off with the events following Hordak's kidnapping of Adora as a young girl, her upbringing within the Horde and her defection to join forces with the Great Rebellion. The mid-season cliff-hanger would coincide with the first arrival of He-Man and his first encounter with Adora (like the first part's finale, but seen from her point of view). After the first family reunion, Adora would return to Etheria to continue the fight against Hordak, with the season's finale showing Hordak's return to Eternia and the news of the impending second rise of the Snakemen, with the Sorceress summoning Adora back to her homeplanet to join forces with his brother against the new great menace.
- Part III: The Sorceress and He-Man travel back in time, taking us back to Preternia's world, where we learn of He-Man's ancestral origin, the Three Towers, King Grayskull's fight against the Snakemen and Hordak, He-Ro and the origin of the Power Sword, the construction of Castle Grayskull and the origin of Snake Mountain as the petrified remnant of Serpos. After a brief forward tour through history, meeting the various He-Men (Vikor, Oo-Lar, Wun-Dar), we'd arrive again at Eternia's present, with the Snakemen finally unleashed and intent on once again conquering Eternia. The season finale would see the defeat of the Snakemen and Skeletor fleeing towards the Tri-Solar System.
- Part IV: The Sorceress summons He-Man to accomplish his new mission in Primus, joining forces with the Galactic Protectors in their fight against the Space Mutants that have allied with Skeletor. The season's finale would see Skeletor's final defeat and Adam's return to Eternia, where the Royal family is finally reunited.
Just an idea, of course.
Epic Heavy Metal-like mini movies on adult swim on Cartoon Network would be fun because you could jump from different groups of characters in each.
Needless to say, no Prince Adam, Cringer, King Randor, Marlena, or daddy "Duncan" with Grabowski mustache IMHO.
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Definitely give each character that has had a figure release time in the spotlight. Original characters would usually not be breathing at the end of the episode and most definitely keep child characters out. Skeletor should be cold and calculating and be similar to how Resolute Cobra Commander was. Hordak's policy when it comes to captured members of the rebellion would be public execution as opposed to incarceration and/or hard labor. She-ra would still fly in and save the regulars but the nameless rebels would be without a head by that time. Bottom line, regulars can stay on as the show demands it while red shirts, mooks and characters of the day become body count.
Isn't it funny how Queen Sumana's comparatively very mild mistreatment of men on the G-rated Filmation show managed to get totally on your nerves, while on the other hand you demand here that a new series be made a relentless R-rated show of gratuitous blood and deaths?
I'd like to see more interaction between Adora and her parents. I mean even her uncle visited her on Etheria but her parents didn't. Also is like to see more hints from Marlena that she knows who her children really are. Mothers aren't stupid, they know their own children
"Skeletor to King Randor, Skeletor to King Randor, come in you Royal Boob!"
Just to clarify my above points, I was referring to a visual appearance along the lines of something like this:
[Pictures by Stjepan Šejić, a.k.a. nebezial on DeviantArt]
I post this just as an example of the kind of visual detail and awesomeness I'd like to see in a new MotU animated series, not to specifically endorse his particular style (although I do love his take on She-Ra and on Mantenna's face). The mini-movies of Final Fantasy videogames could give an idea of how something like this might look when animated with movement.
I'm sure anything visually anywhere close to the above would be an instant hook for a whole new generation of fans, and even appeal to many older thirty-somethings who never became fans of the franchise during the '80s.
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