What does you consider Classic Material?

[Ulisses31]

To me Classic have to be from my childhood or before my birth.

Everything from the new century is tagged "New" to me.

And 200X new Characters from MYP are to much new, and all the other are (to me) just more detailed remakes from the original toys.

MYP/MVC Material (not toys) have some interesting insights about the characters bios, but to me if we want Classical we have to use the earlier material like Minicomics (we have not access to other media like Filmation material) for the main inspiration.

I can agree to use MYP/MVC versions of MOTU story to fill the gap left by the Filmation material, but with moderation.

Every sketch or other material made in the 80´s seems to feel classic to, even if it only saw the day light in MYP/MVC releases, like Merman and Man-at-Arms heads for example.

New ideas from the MYP/MVC Material and 200X Toys don´t seem Classical to me because it is too new...

With this I´m not saying that the 200X fans should not have their toys versions and new material remade in the new MOTUC sculpt, just that I would prefer to see it have his own line with other name and not mixed in the "Classics" label.

To who is thinking ""other toy lines have "Classics" tag and are not vintage only"" I say "so what, does MOTU have to follow their steps? Or should they be the followers?"

If I think that the new versions and the old versions have to be mixed to get a unified backstory for the bios? I say No, just leave it the way it always was.. very dubious..,we have imagination..., just give a fresh strokes to the bios and leave them with only one or two lines, like the original cards back had, generic descriptions with huge draws...

So, and you? How do you define Classic?

[JakeofEternia]

Anything not currently ongoing is classic material. Just like DCUC takes inspiration from every single point of DCU history to create the most memorable "classic" figures, so does MOTUC take from every single pre-existing bit of MOTU to create the ultimate "classic" figures. So as far as the list of what is classic material, everything but the knock off because they weren't MOTU to begin with.

[Torvik]

Being 20 years older than you, Ulisses31, I would have to classify classic as something different than "from my childhood or before my birth" (at least as far as MOTU is concerned), since in this case, your own personal definition would not apply to me. (Since He-Man premiered as toys/mini-comics/original TV show just after I graduated college in the early 80's ... by THAT definition, NONE of He-Man would be "classic" (and we can't have that! )

To this old sorcerer then, as far as He-Man is concerned, I would have to redefine classic as "pertaining to its original run" which can be horribly vague to some extent. Original run of what? Is She-ra part of that, NA etc..?) OK, to me I can say all of Filmation is the original run. (NA would be a bit fuzzy on that since it is a different take). the MYP series would be excluded.

The toys would of course exclude 200X series by that definition too (with NA being a grey area, though I lean toward excluding that as well).

It's a lot easier for other vintage action figures that I collect (Adventure Team GI Joes, Captain Action and later Mego's) since I was a 60's child () and your original definition would apply in that case.

Yeah, this old sorcerer just has to be different and in this case, I'm glad I am (having discovered the wonderful world of MOTU when I did when I had just graduated college in the early 80's). It might mess with my definition but I don't mind!!

[Ulisses31]

Anything not currently ongoing is classic material. Just like DCUC takes inspiration from every single point of DCU history to create the most memorable "classic" figures, so does MOTUC take from every single pre-existing bit of MOTU to create the ultimate "classic" figures. So as far as the list of what is classic material, everything but the knock off because they weren't MOTU to begin with.

New ideas from the MYP/MVC Material and 200X Toys don´t seem Classical to me because it is too new...

With this I´m not saying that the 200X fans should not have their toys versions and new material remade in the new MOTUC sculpt, just that I would prefer to see it have his own line with other name and not mixed in the "Classics" label.

To who is thinking ""other toy lines have "Classics" tag and are not vintage only"" I say "so what, does MOTU have to follow their steps? Or should they be the followers?"

Being 20 years older than you, Ulisses31, I would have to classify classic as something different than "from my childhood or before my birth" (at least as far as MOTU is concerned), since in this case, your own personal definition would not apply to me.

I like to hear different opinions and yours have helped me on defining my though better in words, thanks.

"Original" and "Original Run" really feet to my idea, because I see the new century versions like something not original but a remake from the Original Run (I know that it have new concepts, but is not the continuation from the Original Run, but a new run if you want to say that it have new material).

80´s MOTU (were Filmation version was prominent), POP, and NA (continued MOTU not remake from the 80´s) are the Original Run to me (not my favorite because to me the pre-filmation era was the best, but I know that Filmation version was prominent for the majority of the fans), because they were just the same story but in different times, of the same timescale.

MYP/MVC Material is just a new version of the story, that was meant to be a new start, not a continuation.

I´m not including the Movie in the poll on purpose because it was clearly just a remake (that I love but is a remake like the Transformers Movie is a remake from the Original Run of the earlier stories).

Thanks for that "out from the box" insight

[Torvik]

Thanks for that "out from the box" insight

Your welcome. It's fortunate I escaped from the box just in time (it needs more air holes for ventilation!)

[Tifaslover]

Everything that's part of MotU canon, at all, is a candidate for the 'Classics' moniker to me. Doesn't matter where or when it's from, it's all good.

I don't discriminate.

[Ulisses31]

I´m happy to see that Bootlegs are considered Classic material...

[dedset13]

To me, Classic material is anything from the 80's. That's when MOTU started and that's when MOTU ruled the world!!

That being said, I don't see MOTUC as only being able to use inspiration from the 80's. As much as I love the vintage line (a million times more than 200X), I like that we can expect 200X characters like King Grayskull. I like the influences of MOTU 200X as ways to add to an original figures look, or to get figures that we can't get any other way, like Count Marzo and Evilseed. I just don't want characters to look more 200X than vintage. I must say, I'm extremely happy about MOTUC so far!!!

[Darth Latveria]

For me there are two questions that need to be addressed.

1) What should be included in the MOTU Classics Series?

In my opinion the term "classics" should be pretty much operationally meaningless as it is with many other lines out there. I don't think that they should feel limited with respect to what characters they produced, the style used, etc. As a matter of fact I don't even think it should necessarily be used to rule out brand new characters. The one thing I could see this view changing is if MOTU gets to a point where they have multiple lines going on concurrently and then a line of "classic" figures could be created that only represent classic styles.

2) What I consider to be classic MOTU?

I think this website does a pretty good job at delineating what I consider to be classic. I always found classic to be stuff from the 80's that was related to the original line, thus including the mini comics canon, filmation and even to a lesser extent some stuff from the original movie as it was also reflected in the old line.

What I do not consider to be "classic" would be the following:

1. NA: I just see it being a different brand and for my tastes it was too different from the original stuff.
2. MYP/200x: My preferred version, but still only an improved reboot thus not being "classic".
3. PoP: A spinoff series, thus placing it in a similar position as NA in my view with regards to what is classic motu.

[Uki]

I consider everything listed (save the knock-offs) Classic material. I am happ that MOTUC has been steadily pulling from sources such as the vintage, original toyline, the mini-comics, 200X, and early designs. I cannot wait for the inclusion of PoP, NA, and (hopefully) Filmation. I also hope to see inspiration pulled from classic posters, other Masters products, the film (past and future!), and any other MOTU comic books. As far as I'm concerned, anything that bared the MOTU title in any form is fair game for this current toyline.

...Honestly, I'd like to see some of the Fuerza-T characters done as well, if that were possible.

[Gerrit127]

Guys!

Vitage = Classic ! That's it!

[mistaloko]

I think it´s a personal choice.
For me classic in Motu is the 80´s line, ongoing stuff I can´t consider classic, but for me some of the 200x animated episodes are classics too because of my personal taste.
I liked them so much that for me I consider them classic stuff.

[LookAway]

For me it's everything in the past. Even if it was only 8 years ago. I consider Classic MOTU an almagation of all those cannons. But that's me

[lee gray]

I think of classic as vintage items and with this line being called classics, apart from King Grayskull, I just thought it was going to redo all the major 80s characters but as all these new characters are being made then I dont know why they are called classics

[MegaGearMax]

Masters of the Universe Classics is just a catch all umbrella name, just like how DC Universe Classics has modern versions of characters that aren't even 5 years old yet. If Zodak's inclusion in the line doesn't tell you that, nothing will.

Transformers Universe Classics 2.0, G.I. Joe 25th Anniversary, DC Universe Classics and MOTU Classics just mean that they are all encompassing lines.

[Ulisses31]

Masters of the Universe Classics is just a catch all umbrella name, just like how DC Universe Classics has modern versions of characters that aren't even 5 years old yet. If Zodak's inclusion in the line doesn't tell you that, nothing will.

Transformers Universe Classics 2.0, G.I. Joe 25th Anniversary, DC Universe Classics and MOTU Classics just mean that they are all encompassing lines.

This is how Mattel thinks, we all know that, do you think that too? Or you have your own opinion? Or you are only remembering labeling errors of Mattel?


To who is thinking ""other toy lines have "Classics" tag and are not vintage only"" I say "so what, does MOTU have to follow their steps?"

No one can be original this days?

But Mattel just want your money in the easiest way, mixing everything...

encompassing = anything goes

[MegaGearMax]

This is how Mattel thinks, we all know that, do you think that too? Or you have your own opinion? Or you are only remembering labeling the errors of Mattel?

To who is thinking ""other toy lines have "Classics" tag and are not vintage only"" I say "so what, does MOTU have to follow their steps?"

No one can be original this days?

But Mattel just want your money in the easiest way, mixing everything...

encompassing = anything goes

Sure I think that way. I DO collect other lines that do the same thing, whereas most MOTUC collectors probably don't collect other lines. I have no problem with modern characters.

You make it sound like that's bad. Why not try to get ALL the fans interested in MOTUC, instead of some of them?

[Ulisses31]

You make it sound like that's bad.

And you make your opinion sound like if everyone have to like it and agree with Mattel.

And congratulations for collecting other lines, I like other lines too, TMNT, Transformers, etc, all from my childhood in the 80´s and 90´s.

Because to me they are Classics when I see the word Classics I hope to see them as I remember them from my childhood and it´s original run.

Nowadays I don´t collect new lines from 2000 and beyond, because I (in my opinion) see them too much detailed, to much "Anime", too much realistic for a toy, I don´t buy Toys from Transformers movie because of that.

I understand that others may like it. I don´t.

Seeing it from other point of view... does some 200X toys fans (not only MOTU) are unhappy to see their toys labeled Classic? Just mixed with the "old" ones remade with old style sculpt?

Some 200X fans can feel that they don´t like it because they want to see their preferred era ongoing and labeling it has a classic just mean that it is over, and only some money making ideas will get to be brought to the fans again.

Using your words...

If Zodak's inclusion in the line doesn't tell you that, nothing will.

And about the fans division...

Why not try to get ALL the fans interested in MOTUC, instead of some of them?

This is not the subject, the subject is... what is Classic Material to you, no intention to divide fans, just to know what they think.. you brought that idea of "division" to here.

Your opinion is welcome, like the opinion of everyone... and I have my own opinion, that I don´t give up or try to make it sound has the only enlightened one.

Classic, to me is a bad label to MOTUC, but... that is not the subject in this thread again.

So to keep in the thread mod... to you anything goes to make MOTUC, all eras in one, O.K., that is your opinion. I know that you even made a campaigning to promote your ideas.

That is O.K. too, I like when someone defend his opinion.

Just don´t keep trying to indoctrinate and proselytize me with images and quotes from Matty or Toyguru, about what you think.

I can do the same if you want:

Just to avoid the fan base jumping to any wrong conclusions, a "200X figure" in the Classics line would look like King Grayskull or how Webstor has a "bit of 200X" in him with the extra legs and eyes.

We won't be adding 'out or proportion' or edgy styling to the figures to "make them" 200X. All the figures in the current line will have the "Classics" look - which should be pretty clear by now in terms of shared parts and general feel. (Wait till you see Battle Cat! Wow.)

One of the design elements fans seem to ask about is the edgy feel of the 200X series. The last "edgy" figure was the staction series the Horsemen did. That "look" is now retired from Mattel. We know a lot of fans loved it, and so did I personally, but Classics is an all new line with its own look and feel to stand apart from the 200X line. We know there are figures that never made it in that line, and maybe one day we will go back and do collector 200X figures again. But for the time being, all figures will be "Classics" in style.

Therefore, for example, a 200X Hordak is extremely unlikely. We already gave him his 200X staff, the only other elements that make him "200X" are the edgy parts of his armor and skirt, and as said earlier, that "look" is retired for now.

Hope this clears up any confusion. We may still do He-Man in 200X down the line, but that would be with new chest armor only and the sword that came with MAA. Is that really more exciting as a He-Man refresh for fans vs. Battle Armor, Snake Armor, Thunder Punch, etc...? Let us know.

TG

MOTUC on Matty site:

• Vintage inspired figures - 12,(total with prototypes: 19 )
• 200X inspired figures - 2, and
• somewhere in the middle - 2 (Hordak and Webstor) + Trap Jaw aka Kronis prototype.

Vintage:



Plus
Prototypes:
(work in progress)

• Battlecat
• King Randor
• Green Goddess
• Adora
• BA He-Man
• Mossman
• Wun-Dar

200X:



Plus
Prototypes:
(work in progress)

• Zero revealed

"King Grayskull"is no more in the Matty site?

Somewhere in the middle:



Plus
Prototypes:
(work in progress)

• Trap Jaw

Thanks for your opinion anyway, hope you have voted too.

[MegaGearMax]

And you make your opinion sound like if everyone have to like it and agree with Mattel.

It's not my opinion, but the toyline fact, which I've backed up above. You DO see modern characters in classic lines. It is fact. MOTUC is no different. I'm just making people aware of it who don't know this. There are fans here haven't touched a toy since the 80's MOTU figures and are unaware of what Hasbro and Mattel are doing.

And congratulations for collecting other lines, I like other lines too, TMNT, Transformers, etc, all from my childhood in the 80´s and 90´s.

Because to me they are Classics when I see the word Classics I hope to see them as I remember them from my childhood and it´s original run.

Nowadays I don´t collect new lines from 2000 and beyond, because I (in my opinion) see them too much detailed, to much "Anime", too much realistic for a toy, I don´t buy Toys from Transformers movie because of that.

I understand that others may like it. I don´t.

Even if you're aware of the whole "Classics" naming thing...

...just collect the classic characters from the 80's. No one is forcing you to purchase everything, but don't deny others their modern characters just because you don't like them.

This is not the subject, the subject is... what is Classic Material to you, no intention to divide fans, just to know what they think.. you brought that idea of "division" to here.

The hardcore vintage fans trying to make Classics strictly old MOTUC stuff only is the divisive thing here. You don't see any 200X fans saying that there shouldn't be any Classic MOTU stuff. 200X fans want to be apart of the whole thing, not try to deny any other fans any figures which some vintage fans do.
Look at the Fisto's head thread for a big example of this. Plenty of old school fans who don't want an alternate head, despite that Fisto will have the classic head as well and will most likely have it on inside of the package.

Your opinion is welcome, like the opinion of everyone... and I have my own opinion, that I don´t give up or try to make it sound has the only enlightened one.

Alot of people don't realize what MOTUC is supposed to entail. Further, more people question things although they were mentioned outright due to their own wants out of the toyline. You still have people who question why 80's characters like Adora or He-Ro got figures, let alone Zodak.

So to keep in the thread mod... to you anything goes to make MOTUC, all eras in one, O.K., that is your opinion. I know that you even made a campaigning to promote your ideas.

That is O.K. too, I like when someone defend his opinion.

Just don´t keep trying to indoctrinate and proselytize me with images and quotes from Matty or Toyguru, about what you think.

Like I've said before, it isn't about what I think. It's fact. Modern toylines use Classic as an umbrella term.

Originally Posted by Toyguru
Just to avoid the fan base jumping to any wrong conclusions, a "200X figure" in the Classics line would look like King Grayskull or how Webstor has a "bit of 200X" in him with the extra legs and eyes.

We won't be adding 'out or proportion' or edgy styling to the figures to "make them" 200X. All the figures in the current line will have the "Classics" look - which should be pretty clear by now in terms of shared parts and general feel. (Wait till you see Battle Cat! Wow.)

One of the design elements fans seem to ask about is the edgy feel of the 200X series. The last "edgy" figure was the staction series the Horsemen did. That "look" is now retired from Mattel. We know a lot of fans loved it, and so did I personally, but Classics is an all new line with its own look and feel to stand apart from the 200X line. We know there are figures that never made it in that line, and maybe one day we will go back and do collector 200X figures again. But for the time being, all figures will be "Classics" in style.

Therefore, for example, a 200X Hordak is extremely unlikely. We already gave him his 200X staff, the only other elements that make him "200X" are the edgy parts of his armor and skirt, and as said earlier, that "look" is retired for now.

Hope this clears up any confusion. We may still do He-Man in 200X down the line, but that would be with new chest armor only and the sword that came with MAA. Is that really more exciting as a He-Man refresh for fans vs. Battle Armor, Snake Armor, Thunder Punch, etc...? Let us know.

TG

I rest my case. Classics is simply a name, just like the other toylines that do the exact same thing. Yet the only fans who seem to keep hammering the whole Classic debate are MOTUC fans. WHY?

We didn't care about the anime angles or edgy lines, so I don't know why that was even bolded. Did you see the examples in that thread? How they were made from MOTUC customs? Hordak might have had the angles, but the example was geared more toward his costume more than anything.

We wanted something like the Zodak figure (albeit more accurate costume, like how the Classic characters have no detail spared). The post you quoted is the second time TG has referenced a 200X He-Man.

[Ulisses31]

It's not my opinion, but the toyline fact, which I've backed up above. You DO see modern characters in classic lines. It is fact. MOTUC is no different. I'm just making people aware of it who don't know this. There are fans here haven't touched a toy since the 80's MOTU figures and are unaware of what Hasbro and Mattel are doing.

Alot of people don't realize what MOTUC is supposed to entail.

Like I've said before, it isn't about what I think. It's fact. Modern toylines use Classic as an umbrella term.


I rest my case. Classics is simply a name, just like the other toylines that do the exact same thing.

Here are you trying to indoctrinate and proselytize people again... and trying sound has the only enlightened one.

I know about the umbrella mis-usage of the term Classics... I don´t like it in MOTU, and are not only MOTUC fans who don´t like it, just read other forums.. the ones about Transformers for example... the ones that like me, you know very well.

The hardcore vintage fans trying to make Classics strictly old MOTUC stuff only is the divisive thing here.

And you know that my opinion is not to get 200X out of the new toyline... please stop trying to make me sound other way, I don´t like to see non Classic Material mixed with Classic material and see all named Classic... just that, is not "200X out of MOTU" is "MOTUC renamed if it have to include 200X", I don´t like to see a good Label like Classics, misused in no Classic Material.

And this thread is about that, what is Classic Material to the users of this forum, no "200X out of MOTUC", but you have to came here just to make more campaign on a fight that is not being fight.

200X fans want to be apart of the whole thing, not try to deny any other fans any figures which some vintage fans do.

200X will haunt MOTUC forever... we cannot fight that because Mattel what to make all the money that they can.

But I have the right to don´t like this new toyline name and I have the right to define what is Classic Material to me.

Even if you're aware of the whole "Classics" naming thing...

...just collect the classic characters from the 80's. No one is forcing you to purchase everything, but don't deny others their modern characters just because you don't like them.

I will buy whatever I want, and I´m happy no one will be forced to buy non Classic Material in his subscription, and I hope all non Classic Material keep being released just has bonus.

Like I've said before, it isn't about what I think. Alot of people don't realize what MOTUC is supposed to entail.

If you don´want to just give your opinion and you only want to indoctrinate and proselytize people about the mis-usage of labels by Mattel... is with you, just vote too and see the results... Mattel only keep the Classics label on MOTUC to get easy money. Is a Marketing strategy, not a correct labeling.

It's fact. Modern toylines use Classic as an umbrella term.

And some "all toyline buyers, make it, that I buy it" just bite the bait and get hooked by their wallets.

Just to remember... "Do you want 200X in MOTUC?" is not the question here, What is Classic Material to you? is the question!

And you have not properly answered it yet, in all your posts. You only said, "I want 200X alive in MOTUC and I want it mixed with true Classics, because Mattel have said it".

I know that you are one of users with more knowledge about MOTU in this forum, one of the most active, and one of the most impartial about all eras... I admire you because of that, you know my respect. But I can´t understand your campaign with all that 200X thing.

You couldn´t see this poll results without stinking your campaign in here.

Well, the numbers will tell, we will see this poll growing in time... if you want to make campaign just get your 200X fans that see it like Classic Material, to vote here. Don´t fight me, and my right to have an opinion.

You campaign only remember people of what they already know... Mattel is using the term Classics with no respect for it´s meaning.

[MegaGearMax]

Just to remember... "Do you want 200X in MOTUC?" is not the question here, What is Classic Material to you? is the question!

And you have not properly answered it yet, in all your posts. You only said, "I want 200X alive in MOTUC and I want it mixed with true Classics".

Why do you think I've kept mentioning Classics as all-encompassing?

I voted for all the choices except for the knock offs.

[Neo]

Why isn't there an option for "everything Masters of the Universe related"?

And seriously people... Why can't we all just cool down a bit and not be selfish. Is it too much to just be happy for other people when they do get something that you don't like?

MegaGearMax isn't indoctrinating, he is just stating facts, that's all. Get over it allready.

[Ulisses31]

Why isn't there an option for "everything Masters of the Universe related"?

Multiple Choice Poll. - You can chose all the options if you want, if that option were available the results would get all wrong, statistics have to be done with equal weight replies.

The only reply that I´m sad I forgot is the - "87 Movie". I´m now aware of that and I´m glad I set one with "other (comment)" so is possible to vote on it... If I´ve started this poll today I would replace the Knock-off reply for the Movie reply....

I voted for all the choices except for the knock offs.

You really like MOTU - all MOTU

You know that our discussions are friendly, just like two friends that like different Sports Teams but never get mad about it.. in the end they are only toys.

Hope that all the people that don´t get that, don´t get in the middle and start real fights, that only get to ridiculous replies attacking you or me.

I respect your opinion and I know you respect mine, we have discussed them so many times here and in the Vintage vs 200X group that we know very well our moves.

Hope that people don´t understand our discussions in the wrong way...

Keep friendly, and we can always be welcome with our opinions.

With this said, Neo "What is Classic Material to you?", have you voted yet? Do you have any reply to give on this question?

Hope you and everyone that had read our opinions understand that my opinion is not "200X out of MOTU" is "MOTUC renamed if it have to include non Classic Material".

And the reply "all other toylines do that" to me sounds like the same has saying "MOTU have to do the same that other toy lines..." and that is not true, every toyline have the right to be different and not to just accompany the bunch.

See TMNT example... they have their own personality and don´t name toylines after other toylines names. Be original, true original!!!!!!!

[Neo]

With this said, Neo "What is Classic Material to you?", have you voted yet? Do you have any reply to give on this question?

Well. I voted "other" because I didn't realise it was a multiple option poll.

Anyways. To me the Classics line should hold everything mainstream that came out up until now. No knockoffs like Fuerza T or stuff like that, just keep the line pure MotU.

Storywise I prefer the MYP/200x canon. It makes most sence and it does a great job answering a lot of questions and making sence of stuff that wasn't really clear before. That's why MYP/200x will always be my definative MotU.

Now if you look at the "classic material". Well, there really isn't a lot other too choose then stuff that's old because something that's a little over 9 years old can't really be classic when there is also material that predates it by almost 20 years. That's why I feel the poll is a bit biased. If you would have refrased the question to "What era do you feel should be most represented in the Classics line" for example it would have been a more honest question imo. Hope you understand.

[Ulisses31]

Now if you look at the "classic material". Well, there really isn't a lot other too choose then stuff that's old because something that's a little over 9 years old can't really be classic when there is also material that predates it by almost 20 years.

Well said... but is not 9 years is 7 years, 2009-2002= 7.

And you describe very well my opinion in your words.

The poll is not intended to be biased but I understand your concern.

If there is more vintage material than new stuff is because there are no more new stuff.

"What era do you feel should be most represented in the Classics line" is not the question, and I don´t want to know that.
That question would only get people fighting for their preferences... would become a "Vintage vs 200X" question.

I only want to know "What is Classic Material to you?" noting more.

When I see the poll results I see a mirror of what Mattel considers Classic Material:

• 80´s MOTU Toys and Minicomics 47 92.16% - 13 toys until now + 6 prototypes
• POP Toys 32 62.75% - 1 prototype
• NA Toys and Minicomics 22 43.14% - 0 toys until now
• 200X Toys 21 41.18% - 1 toy until now
• Filmation Material 38 74.51% - 0 toys (Mattel don´t own the rights)
• MYP Material 21 41.18% - 1 toy until now
• Any 80´s original sketches 26 50.98% - 1 toy until now

The only thing that I don´t understand is why Mattel is not releasing news about NA toys because they have the same percentage of votes that 200X stuff.