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    oh man!!!!


    how have i missed this thread which is AMAZING!!!! after sooooo long to finally get answers!!!

    i have to reread and see what else i am missing. WAY too much information overload for my wine filled brain to handle!

    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    He-Man wasn't immediatly able to return to his time, so he went off in space looking for Eternia in the future.
    But he also had to face the truth about Primus and Denebria, discovering maybe this time he was on the wrong side...
    okay i am confused by this. why would he-man be on the wrong side? how would he discover this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbagok View Post
    Only in MOTUC! Remember, there's a difference between MOTUC's take and what MVC was planning.
    Absolutely!
    This is MVCreations 2002 continuity in the comic, it has nothing to do with MOTUC.
    I think that's where some of that confusion about He-Ro's staff and Adora's Sword started. Fans need to keep these two canons separated

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    One thing I really want to know Emiliano, and this has been bugging me more than anything else about the fact that the show was canned:

    how did you intend to have Hordak finally "escape" from Despondos, seeing as his Sanctuary was destroyed, as was the ritual center where he performed the Spell of Separation?

    Oh yeah, one other thing I've been wondering: really, what was up with Anwat Gar? I sense you guys were gonna delve further into it. Please do share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kahn View Post
    oh man!!!!
    okay i am confused by this. why would he-man be on the wrong side? how would he discover this?
    Yeah I was wondering about this as well. As someone who's not seen the NA since I was a kid maybe I've missed something? Maybe if I re-read Homecoming I will find the answer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kahn View Post



    okay i am confused by this. why would he-man be on the wrong side? how would he discover this?
    the way i took it when i read homecomming( which got me back into the show, you're to blame Emiliano) was think of the x-men mythos, who says the mutants were actually evil and not just put down on
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil View Post
    the way i took it when i read homecomming( which got me back into the show, you're to blame Emiliano) was think of the x-men mythos, who says the mutants were actually evil and not just put down on
    I think the series itself said it by showing the Mutants from Nordor to be hostile and villainous. It's hard to imagine a motive that makes them completely right. Sympathetic maybe, more than could be said for the Evil Warriors, but their methods were wrong even before Skeletor took over. The characteristics of Marvel's mutants aren't true of all mutants, just ask the Thundercats.

    What I'm curious about is how morally compromised were the Guardians and people like Master Sebrian supposed to be? Or were they all pawns of another villain manipulating that whole conflict, like the Clone Wars where the war is really a mistake because a great villain will take over no matter which side wins? Sebrian does have a Palpatine-ish role without the "you know he's the Emperor" wink, but that'd be a real downer to see him become a bad guy. I could see the people on Primus discovering that they're like descendants of colonial settlers who displaced the native inhabitants, whose descendants became the Mutants, which leads to a peaceful reconciliation despite Skeletor's machinations. But I'm not sure I'd agree that He-Man is on the wrong side protecting people from attackers, even if the attackers are themselves sympathetic. That'd be an interesting story to see unfold though.

    RE Homecoming, I wanted to see how Skeletor became a good guy. He struck me much more like an Obi Wan than a Darth Vader in the story, and I wondered if it was just a trick of if he'd really become a more complex character. My hope has been ever since that an official post-NA storyline would explore that same idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    Since Homecoming though, I had this idea that one of Skeletor's Enchmen was actually coming from the future, and he was sent from Denebria to seek out and destroy the "champion of the past" before he could join the Guardian of the Galaxy on Primus.
    Yeah, very "Terminator" style.
    Oddly enough, this character got a new name in the MYP series, a name that bear some resemblance to the latin word for "time"... Yeah, that coincidence really blown me away when I first heard that name!
    Can you guess who he is?
    Ha! Kronis. very nice he comes back to the past to get owned by skeletor.
    Emiliano quick question. Was Etheria going to be like a Binary star to eternia. cause even though they could be close together. like someone mentioned that eternia would have been shielded and hidden from the rest of the universe by the despondos barrier. cause it would explain how etheria could share the same moons but not be seen as they would be two far apart and revolve around each other.

    Oh and another question regarding the series in your cannon. would you guys have made he-mans sword more like the classic one but like the size of what he has now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    It's "Infinitia"
    Oh man, i've been spelling/saying it wrong for years! I was so sure it was Infinita in the old series bible.

    So how do you pronounce Infinitia? Is it "In-Fin-It-Ee-Aah" or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocketPunch View Post
    Oh man, i've been spelling/saying it wrong for years! I was so sure it was Infinita in the old series bible.

    So how do you pronounce Infinitia? Is it "In-Fin-It-Ee-Aah" or something else?
    The bible says Infinita, but 200x was a new continuity. My guess is they called it Inifinitia to differentiate it, but still pay homage to the bible.

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    I just noticed on Emil's "original Hordak" design, could he be half Gar and half Spelean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash77 View Post
    I would have been fine with a completely different origin for Adora, as I'm not a fan of the whole "Etheria" thing anyway. As with the Fisto storyline, I welcomed new takes on the characters.
    Agreed. I never liked the fact that they put all of POP on another planet entirely. In my mind, Eternia is more than big enough to house both the MOTU and POP mythos. That interplanetary stuff never appealed to me, and I'm glad that MYP steered clear of it.

    Also, I liked the idea of Duncan and Fisto being brothers, but I didn't really care for the speculation of Fisto being Teela's father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcrduke View Post
    The rumor is that MYP was going to do this:

    If you notice, Veena was pregnant in the "Powers of Grayskull" episode.

    fast forward...

    Evil Lyn frees Hordak & The Horde from Despondos, and they take over Eternia.

    The Masters become REBELS.

    And King Grayskull's daughter is brought to the future, and She-Ra helps to defeat the Horde.

    I would bet that Adora was to be passed off as a long lost sister?

    And now you know why Mattel may have SLAMMED on the brake and ended that show!! LOL
    My god, what the hell is wrong with them???!! I cannot believe they did that. That sounds friggin cool as hell. They really need to just go ahead and continue the series where it left off.
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    Wow!

    This is absolutely amazing! Why didn't I come across this stuff sooner. So much info, and it's all amazing!

    I need to re-read the comics but there are a lot of questions. We heard the backstory on the Central tower and Grayskull tower, but what about Viper tower?? I can only assume it has something to do with the Snakemen. Any info you can divuldge on that?

    As for "Infinitia", it was spelled "Infinita" in the classic series bible but I much prefer the extra "i". I pronounce it "In-fuh-nee-sha."

    About the Shakaran crystal, who stole the shard at the end of issue 4?

    Also, any idea where I can find the Toyfare interview? I'd love to read that too, but it's a year old now

    Thanks to Telkan2 for the summary...very helpful!

    EDIT- I just read most of volume 3 again and have a question about Evil Lyn. Did she hear the sorceress reveal Adam's secret while in Castle Grayskull? She made a noise on that panel. If she did overhear this bit of info, would she keep it to herself or tell someone like Skeletor? Also, did you plan to have her turn good, because at the end of vol 3 issue 6 the Faceless One talks to He-Man about "sewing the seeds of rebirth rather than death" and that "the future will be made from such compassion...and wisdom". So perhaps Evil Lyn does know He-Man's secret now but she will protect it and turn good thanks to He-Man saving her life? Or am I reading too much into this
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    so I repeat: how was Evil-Lyn going to free Hordak from Despondos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingRandor82 View Post
    so I repeat: how was Evil-Lyn going to free Hordak from Despondos?
    Probably by stealing the Havoc Staff.
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    Since Skeletor won't help Hordak he will probably recruit Prahvus again, we know he was supposed to have an aliance with Hordak when he would have returned, to steal the Cosmic Key from Gwildor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Since Skeletor won't help Hordak he will probably recruit Prahvus again, we know he was supposed to have an aliance with Hordak when he would have returned, to steal the Cosmic Key from Gwildor.
    How do we know any of this? Is there any evidence that Prahvus worked for Skeletor/Keldor before? Perhaps for the Horde alongside Skelly....

    I also don't know where you got the Cosmic key/Gwildor business. Are you mixing MOTUC canon/speculation with the 200x canon??
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    Quote Originally Posted by PanMan View Post
    How do we know any of this? Is there any evidence that Prahvus worked for Skeletor/Keldor before? Perhaps for the Horde alongside Skelly....

    I also don't know where you got the Cosmic key/Gwildor business. Are you mixing MOTUC canon/speculation with the 200x canon??
    It was said in an interview that Prahvus would have joined the horde.. As for the rest, it's all speculation sinds we simply do not know how Hordak would have been freed. So speculation and guesses are the only things we have to keep this thread going.

    Also I didn't mean that Prahvus was working for Skeletor/Keldor.. I meant that he worked for Hordak before.

    Come to think about it, it would also make sence that Prahvus would have gotten Adora and perhaps she'll play a part in Hordaks release. Again, this is just speculation. :P
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    wow this is an epic thread!

    why can't you write the bio's for MOTUC Emiliano?

    not sure i like the idea of Eternia being tapped in a pocket dimension, in fact i never thought despondos was just a pocket of any sort, i always assumed it was either a completely parrallel universe or the ritual spell of despondos, was actually a spell that separated the universe in two between Eternia and Infinitia, and the spell of separtation was a watered down version of it. to me that explained how astronaughts from earth could arrive on eternia, and how Etheria existed on the other side of this interstellar barrier

    but all that you have said is great! i so wish they would produce these comics now, i'd love them, even as just a webcomic as part of MOTUC say you entered your barcode on the back of your latest motuc figure to read the latest comic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Gibbs View Post
    wow this is an epic thread!

    why can't you write the bio's for MOTUC Emiliano?
    LOL, thanks! I wish I could.
    It's nice to see some of our ideas popping up here and there though, even if they're just a couple of names.

    not sure i like the idea of Eternia being tapped in a pocket dimension, in fact i never thought despondos was just a pocket of any sort, i always assumed it was either a completely parrallel universe or the ritual spell of despondos, was actually a spell that separated the universe in two between Eternia and Infinitia, and the spell of separtation was a watered down version of it. to me that explained how astronaughts from earth could arrive on eternia, and how Etheria existed on the other side of this interstellar barrier
    It wasn't really a pocket dimension. It was more a of a barrier that separate Eternia from the rest of the Universe, but the planet still occupy the same physical space.

    See, some of this stuff came up beause we wante to stride back the story to the original elements, without completely denying the MYP cartoon. So we had to come up with some creative solutions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    LOL, thanks! I wish I could.
    It's nice to see some of our ideas popping up here and there though, even if they're just a couple of names.


    It wasn't really a pocket dimension. It was more a of a barrier that separate Eternia from the rest of the Universe, but the planet still occupy the same physical space.

    See, some of this stuff came up because we wanted to stride back the story to the original elements, without completely denying the MYP cartoon. So we had to come up with some creative solutions
    ahh not a pocket dimension more like an invisible veil , that seems much better, some of those previous posts by others seemed to suggest Eternia in more of a pocket, i imagined like Earth that episode of south park where it gets annexed from the rest of the universe...erm the pinewood derby episode

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    Emiliano, ask and ye shall receive! Here is the list I posted on the last page where I've compiled information from various threads (I've deleted the list from the other page already). It's all information confirmed by Emiliano, and none of the speculations. As best as I can recall, it all came from one of the following threads:


    Hope this helps!

    • Adam, Prince:

      Adam was the son of Randor and Marlena of Eternia, twin brother of Adora, and half-nephew of the warlord Keldor. As a teenager he was entrusted with the Sword of Protection, once the weapon of King Grayskull himself. Using the sword, Adam could transform into the mighty He-Man.

      At some point he would unite with a group on the planet Primus called the Gurdians of the Galaxy. The villainous Kronis was sent back in time (to present-day Eternia) to prevent He-Man from joining forces with these enemies of Denebria.
    • Adora, Princess:

      Her story would have been told in the never-released “Randor” miniseries.

      Adora was the daughter of Randor and Marlena, twin sister of Adam, and half-niece of the warlord Keldor. Sadly, in the eyes of Horde Prime and Hordak, Adora was also the “ultimate weapon,” bred to destroy the Power of Grayskull.

      She was kidnapped by Keldor and Prahvus at some point in her youth. Using one of the “keys” to Despondos, the villains passed her along to Hordak. After being given to Hordak, Adora was raised on Horde World before going to Etheria.

      Adora would eventually wield the bejeweled Sword of Protection, which once belonged to Queen Veena and was created using He-Ro’s Staff of Wisdom. The gem set into the sword’s hilt (in conjunction with the gem used to form the Crystal Castle) would enable Adora to drive the Horde from Etheria and bring balance to the universe once more.
    • Ancients, The:

      The Ancients were demigods, and among the oldest living creations. They existed before the Councils of Wisdom and Elders, but after the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension.

      The Overlords of the Eternal Dimension entrusted the Ancients with care of the Starseed. The Ancients were also privy to the magics used by the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension in the creation of the universe and life therein. They eventually documented the spells used, and all other secrets of the universe, into the Book of Living Spells.

      The Ancients built the temple known as Central Tower atop a well leading to the Starseed’s chamber. They also lived within Central Tower, and would eventually go to rest there as well.

      At one time, Nordor—who would become Horde Prime—was a member of the Ancients. Through his treachery the universe was knocked out of balance, which drained the Ancients of their powers. As a result, they were forced to “rest” within Central Tower’s crypt.
    • Battle-Cat:

      Battle-Cat was the mount of He-Man. Harkening back to his Battle Cat ancestors, this ferocious tiger wore both armor and a mask when in battle. It is commonly believed that He-Man's companion Battle-Cat and Skeletor's familiar Panthor are of the same stock, but this is not true—in fact, they are totally different species!
    • Battle Cats:

      Battle Cats were the names given by the Tribe of Green Tigers to the ferocious, giant green tigers with yellow strips (or white tigers with green stripes in the rare case of albinos), which they rode. According to legend, members of the Tribe of Green Tigers were the only ones capable of taming these savage beasts. The tribespeople crafted armor and masks for the Battle Cats. Two descendants of these beasts were King Grayskull’s Battle-Lion and He-Man’s Battle-Cat.
    • Battle-Lion:

      Aside from being the chosen mount of King Grayskull himself, this mighty green beast was special for other reasons: It was the cub of Sharella’s (chieftain of the Tribe of Green Tigers) albino tiger, and at some point it merged with the spirit of Central Tower’s Guardian Lion.
    • Book of Living Spells, The:

      The Book of Living Spells was created by the Ancients, and it contains all the secrets of the universe. In fact, it is a transcription of the magics used by the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension to create the universe and life therein.

      Eventually, it was entrusted into Eldor’s care, and at some point the Book of Living Spells was used to create the entity “Light Hope.”
    • Bryon, Lord:

      Lord Bryon was the leader of the House of Swan, one of Eternia’s oldest families. In addition to his social status, he was also a member of the Council of Wisdom, and father of Queen Veena.
    • Central Tower:

      Central Tower was a temple built by the Ancients’ master architects (which included Hordak and his mentor Noah). The tower was built atop one of three tunnels that led to the legendary Starseed.

      Central Tower also served as home and final resting place for the Ancients. It also served as a meeting point for the Council of Wisdom.

      At some point, the spirit of the tower’s Guardian Lion would merge with the cub of Sharella’s albino Battle Cat, and from this union would emerge King Grayskull’s mount: Battle-Lion.
    • Council of Elders, The:

      Members included: Unnamed Leader (with big eyebrows), Unnamed Female (female and bald), Unnamed Caligar Male, Unnamed Merman, Unnamed Male (with dark skin), Unnamed Male (dark haired and lighter skinned), Unnamed Male (blonde and bearded), Unnamed Gar Female, Unnamed Female (bald and with long eyebrows).

      The last of the Councils to be formed. Just before their disappearance (when they transferred their essences to Castle Grayskull for protection), the Council of Elders proclaimed the warrior Randor as king of Eternia.
    • Council of Wisdom, The:

      Existed before the Council of Elders, but after the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension and the Ancients.

      Members included: Eldor, Lord of Zalesia (Faceless One), Star Child, Lord Bryon of the House of Swan, Mother Tetsudo, Unnamed Female Gar, Unnamed Old Male Gar, Unnamed Fire Man, and Unnamed Alien Person. (Note: While not a member of the Council, He-Ro was in attendance at least once.)

      The Council of Wisdom met within the safety of Central Tower, a temple created by the Ancients. Central Tower sat atop one of the wells leading to the Starseed.

      The Council of Wisdom sent the First Ones, along with part of the gem atop He-Ro’s Staff of Wisdom and the Living Spell “Light Hope,” to find a new world. Eventually they discovered Etheria.

      The Council of Wisdom was responsible for trapping part of Nordor (Horde Prime) within the Shakarran Crystal.
    • Crystal Castle, The:

      The Crystal Castle is located on the planet Etheria, and protected by the Living Spell called “Light Hope.”

      The Crystal Castle grew and formed from the Gem Seed, a fragment of He-Ro’s Staff of Wisdom brought to Etheria by the First Ones.
    • Dekker:

      Dekker was both a predecessor and mentor (along with Illumina) to the Man-At-Arms named Duncan. At some point he passed along to his pupil a special ring, which made him a member of the Guardians of Grayskull (a secret sect devoted to the preservation of Castle Grayskull’s secrets throughout time). This act identified Dekker as a member of the order as well.
    • Denebria:

      Denebria was the name of a planet that existed in the same solar system as the planet Primus and the satellite called Nordor.

      At some point in the future, the villainous Kronis was sent back in time to destroy the “Champion of the Past” (He-Man) before he could join the Guardians of the Galaxy.
    • Despondos:

      Despondos is a form of barrier, rather than a dimension per se. It was created in ancient times by the Ancients (or possibly the Council) as a way of containing Nordor’s (Horde Prime’s) forces. The Ancients also created “keys” (of which the Havoc Staff was one) which allow for safe passage. (Passing through Despondos without a “key” will ultimately result in sickness and death.

      The planet Eternia was trapped in the pocket / barrier called Despondos when Hordak’s spell backfired.
    • Duncan:

      Duncan carried the title “Man-At-Arms” under King Randor, and possibly under the Council of Elders during (part of) their rule as well.

      He had at least two teachers growing up: Illumina and Dekker. The latter was also his predecessor as Man-At-Arms.

      He carried a special ring, passed down to him by Dekker, which identified him as a Guardian of Grayskull to other members of the secret guild. (It is unknown whether or not he knew of Illumina’s role as a Guardian as well). Duncan was also a member of the Masters of the Universe, a group formed (most likely without their knowledge) to help the Guardians of Grayskull with the protection of Castle Grayskull’s secrets.
    • Eldor:

      Eldor’s exact species is unknown—he was more than human, but less than the demigod Ancients (equated to second-generation Ancients). Nonetheless, he was a wizard entrusted with the guardianship of the Ancients’ Book of Living Spells, and the creator of “Light Hope.”

      He was also a mentor to the legendary He-Ro, and—with some help from the tribal chieftain Sharella—raised the boy.

      Following a time when He-Ro was mortally wounded, Eldor decided that the only hope lay in drinking the blood of a giant. It was his hope that Gray’s earlier exposure to the Starseed would spare him the deadly side-effects of ingesting the enchanted plasma. Not only did his plan work, but the exchanged transformed He-Ro into King Grayskull.
    • Eternia:

      The planet Eternia rests at the center of the universe (as did the planet Infinitia once). The two planets, as well as the Overlords of the Timeless Dimension, are the only things that exist in all realities.

      Eternia was trapped in the pocket / barrier called Despondos when Hordak’s spell backfired, making it both invisible and impossible to find.
    • Etheria:

      Etheria was once a lifeless planet, until a group of explorers dispatched by the Council of Wisdom arrived. The First Ones, as this group was called, brought with them the Gem Seed (a fragment of the gem that once sat atop He-Ro’s Staff of Wisdom), and the Living Spell called “Light Hope.”

      “Light Hope” brought new life to the planet, as the Council of Wisdom had planned, and it was hoped that Etheria would restore the universal balance that was lost when Infinitia was destroyed. From the Gem Seed there formed a mystical fortress called the Crystal Castle, wherein “Light Hope’s” essence lived.

      Eventually, Etheria fell to the Horde. Adora, the kidnapped daughter of Eternia’s Randor and Marlena, spent part of her youth there. She would later be given the Sword of Protection (which contained a second piece of the gem that once rested atop the Staff of Wisdom) to free the planet from the Horde, and restore the long-missing balance to the universe.
    • Evil-Lyn:

      As an infant, the sorceress who would eventually call herself Evil-Lyn was kidnapped by the Snake Men. They used her as a means of blackmailing her father—the Lord of Zalesia—into releasing their god Serpos. With the three-headed destroyer looming over Zalesia, Evil-Lyn’s father traded her (and the Havoc Staff) to a time-traveling Keldor. Keldor returned to the future with both the child and the staff.

      In the future, Keldor raised Evil-Lyn through her early childhood. At some point (perhaps around the age of 5), she was reunited with her real father (now the Faceless One).

      Following a battle at the Hall of Wisdom where Keldor was mortally wounded, Evil-Lyn took the warlord to one of Hordak's temples. The exiled Hordesmen saved Keldor's life by transforming him into Skeletor.
    • Faceless One, The:

      (See “Zalesia, Lord of”)
    • First Ones, The:

      The First Ones were Eternians sent by the Council of Wisdom to find a world that would replace the destroyed Infinitia. It was their hope that this new planet could bring balance to the universe once more. They brought with them the Gem Seed (part of He-Ro’s Staff of Wisdom), and a Living Spell named “Light Hope.”

      Eventually, they found the lifeless and barren planet that would become known as Etheria. Using “Light Hope” the First Ones brought life to the world, and using the Gem Seed they created the Crystal Castle.
    • Gar, The:

      Known for their blue skin, the Gar were natives of the planet Infinitia. After the destruction of their homeplanet, the surviving Gar were brought to Eternia.

      The warlord Keldor was part-Gar (on his mother's side), as was the warrior Illumina.
    • Gem Seed:

      The Gem Seed was a fragment of the green gem atop He-Ro’s golden Staff of Wisdom. It was brought to the planet Etheria by the First Ones, whom the Council of Wisdom had dispatched to find a new planet that would replace Infinitia and restore balance to the universe. From this “seed” grew the Crystal Castle.

      Working in conjunction with Adora’s Sword of Protection (which itself contained part of the gem that once rested atop He-Ro’s staff), the power of the Gem Seed would eventually defeat the Horde and restore balance to the universe.
    • Grayskull Tower:

      Grayskull Tower was built as a tribute to the Tribe of the Gray Skulls in honor of their bravery during the first Great War.
    • Grayskull, King:

      (See “He-Ro / King Grayskull”)
    • Great Wars, The:

      During the course of history there have been many “Great Wars.”

      The first Great War resulted in the destruction of the planet Infinitia, which (along with the planet Eternia) kept the universe in balance. As a result of this, the Ancients lost their powers and the native Infinitians (the Gar) were brought to live on Eternia. It is said that the Tribe of the Gray Skulls fought bravely during the first war, and as a tribute to them Grayskull Tower was built.
    • Guardians of the Galaxy, The:

      The Guardians of the Galaxy was the name given to the group from Primus whom He-Man would eventually join forces with.
    • Guardians of Grayskull, The:

      The Guardians of Grayskull was a secret society, devoted to carrying the secrets of Castle Grayskull through the years following King Grayskull’s death. Its members were warriors who also ensured that the knowledge they protected was never subverted to suit the needs of Eternia’s ruler.

      The Guardians of Grayskull were said to have carried special rings that identified them as members of the order. It is known that the Man-At-Arms named Duncan was a member of the Guardians, as was his mentor and predecessor Dekker. The Gar warrior Illumina was also a member, as was (possibly) the man who would later become Tri-Klops.

      The heroic group which later called itself the Masters of the Universe was most likely formed, in part, to assist the Guardians of Grayskull in their mission; although it is unknown if any of the Masters (other than Duncan and Dekker) knew of the secret society.
    • Havoc Staff, The:

      The Havoc Staff, created by the Ancients, is one of the “keys” capable of opening Despondos. At one point it was held by the Lord of Zalesia (Faceless One), but he traded it to Keldor in exchange for the safety of his infant daughter: Evil-Lyn.
    • He-Man:

      (See “Adam, Prince)
    • He-Ro / King Grayskull:

      He-Ro’s real name was Gray, and he obtained his powers via exposure to the Starseed. His mentor was a wizened man named Eldor, and he carried the Staff of Widom. A tribal chieftain named Sharella also helped rear the boy.

      At some point He-Ro was mortally wounded, and—as instructed by Eldor—he survived by drinking the blood of Tytus. The giant’s plasma, coupled with the powers He-Ro obtained from the Starseed, not only allowed He-Ro to survive, but it also transformed him into the man later known as King Grayskull.

      As King Grayskull, he rode a ferocious green beast named Battle-Lion. Battle-Lion was created through a different amalgamation: the cub of Sharella’s albino Battle Cat and the spirit of Central Tower’s Guardian Lion.
    • Hordak:

      A pupil of Noah, and one of the master architects who helped the Ancients construct the temple called Central Tower. His exact kind is unknown—he was more than human, but less than the demigod Ancients (equated to second-generation Ancients).

      As a result of a spell cast by Hordak, the entire planet of Eternia was trapped in the pocket / barrier known as Despondos. The Horde, however, was trapped on the other side and unable to reach their target.

      During the same battle where the spell was cast, Hordak’s body was destroyed…but that body was simply made of stone, and it wasn’t his first incarnation. After his stone form was destroyed though, he would have obtained a different one—more artificial this time, and capable of the shape-shifting abilities seen in the Filmation series.

      Hordak sent Keldor into Eternia’s past so that the latter could obtain the Havoc Staff and help bridge Despondos.

      Adora (the daughter of Randor and Marlena, and twin sister of Adam) was sent to Hordak by Keldor and Prahvus. (This story would have been told in the never-released “Randor” miniseries.)

      Eventually, Hordak saved the dying Keldor, transforming him into Skeletor.
    • Horde Prime:

      (See “Nordor (Ancient)”)
    • Horde World:

      (See “Infinitia”)
    • Illumina:

      Little is known about the blue-skinned warrior named Illumina. It is known, however, that she is a descendant of the Gar refugees that came to Eternia after the destruction of Infinitia, and that she was a member of the Guardians of Grayskull (a secret sect devoted to the preservation of Castle Grayskull’s secrets throughout time).

      At the time when the Mystic Wall was created she was on the Dark Hemisphere of Eternia, which effectively trapped her there. Prior to this, however, she assisted Dekker in the teaching of Duncan.

      Although a heroic force, it has been said that she was very cold blooded.

      A common misconception is that her mount is a descendant of the Battle Cats of old. In fact, her white-furred companion is an entirely different species that is genetically closer to the blood-thirsty Panthor.
    • Infinitia:

      Infinitia was the planet which, along with Eternia, kept the universe in balance. The two planets, as well as the Overlords of the Timeless Dimension, are the only things that exist in all realities.

      During the first of the Great Wars Infinitia was destroyed as a result of Nordor’s (Horde Prime’s) treachery—it was corrupted and its life force forever drained. This resulted in the planet losing its orbit and becoming lost in space, thus tipping the balance of the universe itself.

      The blue-skinned natives of Infinitia were known as the Gar, and those Gar that survived Infinitia’s destruction came to Eternia. Both Keldor (on his mother’s side) and Illumina were descendants of these Infinitian refugees.

      Eventually, Horde Prime, stripped of his physical body, rechristened the planet Horde World. From there, he controlled his evil army.
    • Keldor:

      Keldor’s Mother raised him to hate his father, Miro. It has also been stated that Count Marzo played a part in Keldor’s upbringing, though it is unknown if it was through direct or indirect means. Biologically, Keldor was the half-brother of Miro’s other son (Randor), and half-uncle to both Adam and Adora (He-Man and She-Ra, respectively).

      Keldor, with help from Prahvus, kidnapped Adora (the daughter of Randor and Marlena, and twin sister of Adam), and sent her to Hordak using one of the “keys” to Despondos. (This story would have been told in the never-released “Randor” miniseries.)

      Keldor posses the Havoc Staff, one of the “keys” capable of opening Despondos. He obtained the Havoc Staff from the Lord of Zalesia (Faceless One) during a voyage into the past by offering to take the other’s infant daughter to a safe place. That child would later become Evil-Lyn.

      He is also part-Gar (on his mother's side), the native species of the lost planet Infinitia.

      Following a battle at the Hall of Wisdom, where he was mortally wounded, Evil-Lyn took him to one of Hordak's temples. The exiled Hordesmen saved his life by transforming him into Skeletor.
    • Keldor’s Mother:

      Keldor’s Mother was a female Gar, who, for reasons unknown, raised her son to hate his own father. It has been said that she was very bitter and very sad. Rumor also has it that she was important amongst the Gar, though not their leader.

      Keldor’s Mother had an unknown connection to Count Marzo.
    • Kronis:

      Although the villainous Kronis (later Trap-Jaw) was a known lieutenant of Keldor in present-day Eternia, he was actually a Denebrian agent from the future charged with preventing the “Champion of the Past” (He-Man) from joining the Guardians of the Galaxy.
    • Kudok Ungol:

      Little is known about this mysterious mage, except that she was once a Sorceress of Castle Grayskull (though not a direct descendant of the bloodline).
    • Light Hope:

      The entity known as “Light Hope” was in fact a Living Spell, created by Eldor using the Book of Living Spells, and entrusted to a delegation from Eternia tasked with finding a new world to replace Infinitia and restore balance to the universe. The First Ones cast (initiated? activated?) “Light Hope” upon landing on a barren world, which they named Etheria, thus creating life anew on the planet.

      “Light Hope” was also given responsibility for guarding the Crystal Castle.
    • Man-At-Arms, The:

      (See “Dekker” and “Duncan”)
    • Marlena, Queen:

      The beauteous Marlena was queen of Eternia, through her husband Randor (the Elders' chosen successor). She gave birth to two children: Adam and Adora (later known as He-Man and She-Ra respectively). Sadly, her daughter was kidnapped by her half-brother-in-law Keldor and the villainous Prahvus, and then sent through a dimensional gate to the wicked Hordak.
    • Marzo, Count:

      Though the exact nature of his role is unclear, it has been stated that Count Marzo was influential in the way Keldor was raised by his mother.
    • Miro, Captain:

      The warrior known as Captain Miro led the Elders' forces against the wicked Count Marzo, eventually leading to the evil wizard's downfall.

      During his life he sired two heirs: Keldor (via an unnamed Gar female) and Randor (via an unnamed human woman). The former was taught by his mother (allegedly with help from Marzo) to despise Miro, and would eventually become one of the greatest threats to Eternia ever known. Randor, meanwhile, would eventually succeed his father as captain of the Elders' forces before being named as Eternia's ruler in their stead.

      Miro's grandchildren (through Randor and Marlena) were Prince Adam and Princess Adora, also known as He-Man and She-Ra respectively.
    • Noah:

      Hordak’s teacher and one of the master architects who helped the Ancients construct the temple called Central Tower.
    • Nordor (Ancient):

      The being who would later be called Horde Prime started life as one of the Ancients. His name then was Nordor.

      During the first of the Great Wars, Nordor’s treachery resulted in the destruction of the planet Infinitia (which in turn tipped the balance of the universe). With the universe out of balance, the Ancients lost their powers and were forced to enter into “rest” within Central Tower’s crypt.

      The Ancients created Despondos as a way of controlling Nordor’s growing forces.

      Prior to defeat at the forces of goodness Nordor split his essence into two, but it was always his intention to be reunited (adding yet another reason for the Horde to target Eternia).

      The part of Nordor’s essence that was known to the Ancients was stripped of all form and identity—he became known as the Unnamed. Eventually, the Unnamed was imprisoned by the Council of Wisdom within the Shakarran Crystal, but not before using the Snake Men to further his vendetta against the forces of goodness. Since the Unnamed is incapable of assuming his own form, he usually adopts an appearance similar to those closest to him (i.e. He-Man).

      The other part of Nordor’s spirit, which remained free and adopted the name Horde Prime, obtained a mechanical body and continued to lead his army from Horde World.

      Horde Prime viewed Adora as the “ultimate weapon,” capable of destroying the Power of Grayskull.
    • Nordor (Satellite):

      There is a connection between the celestial satellite called Nordor and the fallen Ancient by the same name; however, the exact relationship is unknown.
    • Overlords of the Eternal Dimension, The:

      The oldest of the groups that govern the world of MOTU / POP, the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension existed before the Ancients, the Council of Wisdom, and the Council of Elders. They have always existed, and will always exist.

      They used the Starseed to create all universes and “plant and grow” all life. They—along with Eternia and Infinitia—are the only entities that existed across all realities.

      The spells used by the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension were eventually transcribed by the Ancients into the Book of Living Spells.
    • Prahvus:

      Prahvus, with help from Keldor, kidnapped Adora (the daughter of Randor and Marlena, and twin sister of Adam), and sent her to Hordak using one of the “keys” to Despondos. (This story would have been told in the never-released “Randor” miniseries.)
    • Primus:

      The planet Primus shared its solar system with the planet Denebria and the satellite Nordor. It was on this planet that the Guardians of the Galaxy were based. It was not the world Eternia would eventually become.
    • Randor, Captain / King:

      Randor was the son of Captain Miro, and half-brother of the wicked Keldor. Eventually, he took his father's place as leader of the Elders' forces. After the disappearance of the Elders, however, he was anointed ruler of Eternia in their stead.

      Through his wife, Marlena, Randor had two children: Adam and Adora (later known as He-Man and She-Ra respectively). Sadly, his daughter was kidnapped by Keldor and the villainous Prahvus, and then sent through a dimensional gate to the wicked Hordak.
    • Shadow Weaver:

      The origins and role of the sorceress named Shadow Weaver would have been the same as that of her Filmation counterpart.
    • Shakarran Crystal, The:

      The Shakarran Crystal was a powerful artifact which the Council of Wisdom used to imprison the Unnamed.
    • Sharella:

      Sharella was a tribal chieftain who helped Eldor raise the boy who would become He-Ro. She led the Tribe of Green Tigers, known for their ridership of ferocious, giant green tigers with yellow stripes—Battle Cats, as they were called—which they created masks and armor for. Sharella’s own mount, however, was an albino (white with green stripes).
    • She-Ra:

      (See “Adora, Princess”)
    • Skeletor:

      (See "Keldor")
    • Staff of Wisdom, The:

      Staff of Wisdom was the name given to the golden rod carried by He-Ro, which was created using part of the Starseed.

      At some point the staff was melted, and the metal used to forge the Swords of Power and Protection. King Grayskull himself (formerly He-Ro) would wield the Sword of Power, while his wife carried the Sword of Protection. Later, these twin swords would be passed along to Adam and Adora, the twin children of Randor and Marlena, and they would use the powers within to become He-Man and She-Ra.

      The green gem that sat atop the Staff of Wisdom, the Gem Seed, was split into at least two fragments: One of those fragments was set into the hilt of the newly created Sword of Protection. The second piece was sent with the First Ones to the planet that would eventually become Etheria, and from it blossomed the Crystal Castle itself. When the fragments were brought together again (through Adora), it would lead to the vanquishing of the Horde on Etheria and restoration of balance in the universe.
    • Star Child:

      Throughout existence more than one entity has been called “Star Child.”
    • Starseed:

      The Starseed was used by the Overlords of the Eternal Dimension to create all universes, before being entrusted into the care of the Ancients. It is kept at the center of Eternia itself.

      Central Tower (where the Council of Wisdom was known to meet), a temple built by the Ancients, sits atop one of three wells leading to the Starseed’s chamber. A second well is located within the abyss that surrounds Castle Grayskull. The final well is the cave in which He-Ro’s “amazing transformation” took place.
    • Swords of Power and Protection:

      (See "Staff of Wisdom")
    • Tri-Klops:

      Tri-Klops was one of Keldor’s (later Skeletor’s) most nefarious agents, although his servitude was forced by a spell cast by the Lord of Destruction. Though blinded in an attack in his youth, the warrior was exceptionally skilled with swords and technology. It is rumored that before coming under the sway of Keldor’s dark magic the man who would become Tri-Klops was actually a member of the Guardians of Grayskull (a secret sect devoted to the preservation of Castle Grayskull’s secrets throughout time). It is unknown how he became a member, or if he ever shared any of his knowledge with his evil master.
    • Tribe of Green Tigers, The:

      This tribe was known for their ridership of ferocious, giant green tigers with yellow stripes—Battle Cats, as they were called—which they created masks and armor for. Their chieftain, whose tiger was an albino (white with green stripes), was named Sharella.

      The cub of Sharella’s albino tiger would eventually merge with the Guardian Lion of Central Tower to become King Grayskull’s Battle-Lion. The tribe’s mounts may have also given name to Battle-Cat, the companion of He-Man.
    • Tytus:

      Tytus was a giant who lived around the same time as He-Ro. Like other giants, Tytus’ blood was both magical and dangerous. He was known to be the giant most loyal to the Grayskull bloodline, and so it was to him that Eldor brought a mortally wounded He-Ro. The dying hero drank some of Tytus’ blood, but was spared the negative side-effects thanks to the power of the Starseed. The exchanged transformed He-Ro into the legendary King Grayskull.
    • Unnamed, The:

      (See “Nordor (Ancient)”)
    • Veena, Queen:

      The woman who would one day be married to King Grayskull started life as Veena of the House of Swan, and daughter of its head, Lord Bryon.

      She carried the Sword of Protection, which was forged from the Staff of Wisdom’s melted metal and held part of the gem from the same staff within its hilt. Following the death of He-Ro, an act of treachery (initiated by the enemies of Grayskull) necessitated Veena’s use of the blade for the first time, at which time she used it to restore honor to the kingdom. Eventually, this sword would go to Adora, and she would use it to unlock the secrets and powers of the Crystal Castle.
    • Zalesia, Lord of:

      The Lord of Zalesia was once a member of the Council of Wisdom, but was banished from the group after the birth of his daughter: Evil-Lyn.

      Shortly thereafter, he was forced by the Snake Men to unleash their god Serpos. Unfortunately for the Lord of Zalesia, Serpos soon set his sights on the city of Zalesia, endangering “Baby-Lyn” once more. His back against a wall, the Lord of Zalesia struck a bargain with Keldor: His daughter’s safety in exchange for the Havoc Staff, one of the “keys” capable of opening Despondos.

      The Lord of Zalesia was mortally wounded soon thereafter, but the Council of Wisdom had other plans for him: Using their magic, they transformed him into the Faceless One.

      At an unknown point in the future, the Faceless One was reunited with his daughter.
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    Hey Telkan!
    This is awesome, thank you so much!
    You know what? I think you should copy all this stuff to a new thread. The title of this one is misleading and the topic wasn't really MVC behind the scene
    So I think a new thread devoted to this, with a proper title and the discussion just focused on that will be better! (it will also easier to spot for people using the search feature)

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    Great idea, Emiliano! I'll set one up right now! As for the "thank you"--totally not necessary! It is we that should be thanking you (and Val, et al.) for the amazing story you created!
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    I read this topic for a long time, must collect and translate it to me out the most important information and arrange them.

    Here is First i want say:

    Perhaps by virtue of Hordak having no body, he survived passage through the barrier and resurrected or healed his warriors on the other side?
    Good idea: spirits can safely pass Despondos! I like it!
    And I hate that most of our writing was meant to desperately try to fit MYP series changes into the MOTU world we knew from Filmation etc...
    As told in the Filmation cartoon is the "Horde Trooper" are Robots, I'm sure the Hordes Men did not survive, also Hordak rebuild his armee with robotic-technologie and magic!

    Interesting ist how surviving Leech, Mentena and Grizzlor?

    I am on gbagok Side, Emilianos sketch is a great version: i wanna see as Hec-Tor Kur !!!

    i am sure i have soon more to say/write also i edit it than!


    Edit:

    By all the talk over Light Hope i mut say: i like the idea this Spell become a human form:

    I am Happy He-Ro and King D'Vann Grayskull are not the same Person now!

    is Eternia with Moons in Despondos afther battle with Grayskull
    or Etheria with Moons ?

    it was not easy to follow all.
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    Last edited by ²He-Ro; February 28, 2012 at 04:04pm.
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