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    Extra Rooted Head for Female Figures/Women Keep Losing Out in MOTUC

    I would like to bring up the history of the extra rooted hair head issue in MOTUC as well as a couple others for the female figures, as I feel it's extremely important to point out.

    Before anyone gets all upset, this is for an EXTRA head, nobody wants to replace the plastic/rubber haired female heads, and ToyGuru has stated all figures will have plastic hair:

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    3. Do you know if Princess of Power figures in the MOTUC line will have sculpted or rooted hair?
    All the figures in the MOTU Classics line will have sculpted hair.
    Q: Why would someone want a female figure with rooted hair?
    A: The 80's toyline had it which makes it nostalgic to PoP toy fans. They had them in the 80's that way and loved them and would love a throwback/nod to the vintage figures. Just how 80's MOTU fans desperately wanted, fought for and won a flocked and pine-scented Moss Man, Stinking Stinkor, possibly second-release flocked Panthor (see below quote) and more than likely a furry Grizzlor.

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    [I]2. And as for the Panthor, we may indeed release a second flocked version of him in the future, but the initial release will be unflocked as fans at SDCC requested.
    If we can have moss, fuzz, fur, scents and possibly cloth capes (see quote below), why not an extra head of real hair for the girls?

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    9. Jay Bell: Has a decision been made regarding the use of fabric materials on MOTUC figures? We will see capes or clothing (such as Prince Adam's vest) made of cloth? Or will such things always be plastic?

    Much like Scareglow, all the figures will have plastic for a universal feel across the line. A fabric cape would be a great way to refresh the characters down the line. But the initial release will not be fabric.
    Also, as PixelDan has pointed out in his Adora review, it's virtually impossible to move a long-haired female figures' head up and down...even with rubber hair. How can one pose Adora looking up at her sword as she transforms into She-Ra? One cannot. An extra rooted head would allow for movement/poseability of the head in ANY direction!

    On August 1st, 2008 I started a poll about getting extra heads. It's hard to tell the *true* results as some people who hate PoP and have no intention of buying the figures could have voted, but the results were basically 50/50 out of 106 votes:

    51 or 48.11% FOR an extra rooted head
    55 or 51.89% AGAINST an extra rooted head

    Poll was here: http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...d.php?t=162007

    [NOTE: If any more votes come in, please dis-regard them as the votes haven't changed for OVER a year. These were the official results and I'm unsure if I can close the polling.]

    ToyGuru has told us many times they would do second heads for figures that absolutely need a second head or have a compelling reason for a second head. PoP girls have both: rooted will allow for up-and-down head articulation and is a throwback to the original toys.

    Why no heads then?

    TG says Mattel would have to change vendors, but in the exact SAME Q&A session he explains that they DID change vendors! Why would they not look for a vendor that can DO rooted hair if they had to switch? (see quotes and then I'll continue below).

    From the EXACT same Q&A session:

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    4. With the announcement of alternate heads for some figures, how do you determine who gets an extra head and what that head will be? For example, many fans would love to see POP figures come with alternate heads with rooted hair, or Skeletor come with an Alcala inspired head.
    We handle this based on two factors: 1: Who absolutely needs a second head (Mer Man and Man-At-Arms come to mind) and how much tooling do we have for the total line for the year. Obviously the more successful the line is the more tooling dollars are available. We wouldn’t do a second head just to do it or to do a second expression, a figure would have to have a compelling reason to need a second head.

    Also, for major characters like Skeletor, we would be more likely to do a new release then pack in a new head since he is a guaranteed seller no matter what the head is.

    At this time we will not be doing rooted hair for any of the characters. All POP characters will have plastic hair to keep a uniform line look and keep costs down. (having rooted hair means using a vendor who can do rooted hair and the MOTUC line and the DCUC line is produced in a plant that does not do rooted hair). Changing vendors is expensive and would slow down production.
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    9. Given the durability issue of King Grayskull and the numerous broken figures, what is Mattel doing to insure durability on future MOTUC figures?
    We switched vendors.
    Okay, so we don't want to cause any crazy expenses or MOTUC slowdown, so why not just have the rooted heads made at a Barbie factory? The answer doesn't REALLY make sense here. We're not asking Mattel to make full figures in different factories, just a head where they make Barbie heads. MOTUC figures are made in China as is Barbie. I don't see the extra tariffs and product development issues. They would basically be smaller sized Barbie heads. It should be 100% possible. Here's the full answer though:

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    8. Instead of switching vendors, couldn't Mattel just produce rooted hair POP heads at a factory that makes Barbie heads? You could then package an additional rooted hair POP head with figures, or produce a set of additional variant heads to sell to fans.
    While this sounds like a great idea on paper, logistically it just doesn’t always work out. Many of the vendors who do rooted hair are in completely different countries. Because of tariffs and product development issues it just is not feasible at this point to develop MOTUC figures in multiple factories. It would just slow things down too much. For now, we hope fans will be excited that we will be including POP and other females in the line and many fan demanded characters.
    Now, most of the PoP figures don't really have accessories. Just a shield and a comb. The same mold shared for both pieces, just different colours...but we STILL cannot get a second, rooted head which is vastly different. Especially more different than mustache vs. no mustache (even though I loved that head). We won't even be getting She-Ra's toy sword with her as an extra, but He-Man comes with TWO Power Swords! One full, one half.

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    3. grenadaspice: When you get to She-Ra, do you plan on including an updated version of the original POP gold Sword of Protection?

    Not with She-Ra, but this would be a great suggestion for an accessory pack!
    ToyGuru did throw us this bone:

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    6. Since POP figures will not have rooted hair, that means they won't need to come with a comb like with the classic POP figures. Does this mean they could have another weapon to go along with the shield that many classic POP characters had?
    It is quite possible. We will look to include as many accessories as make sense for all of the Classics figures. But yes, it is likely a comb will not be included and more likely we will indeed to shields and other weapons. Maybe even a sword that is comb-like as an homage!
    So, riddle me this:

    All the women share Teela's body, have ONE piece outfits (possibly two-piece in future, see quote below), cannot ab-crunch or look up and down (because of no extra rooted head)...

    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    5. Darkspecter: We have been told that female figures will use the one-piece outfit. Would Mattel consider making it a two-piece outfit instead so they can use the waist-twist feature, especially for female figures that have distinct waists, skirts, pants, etc?

    We went right to the Four Horsemen for this one:

    “This is something that we will look into the next time we get to a figure that has an applicable design. We also want to see how the softer material works out on the Adora figure before we make any big decisions. The biggest issue that we have is that the body design was built for a one piece outfit. We are not 100% sure that we can make it work without a complete tooling overhaul. We will keep you posted as we move forward. Just keep in mind that since we work so far ahead that you may not see the results for a while!”
    Where's all the love for the female characters and the fans of PoP who have supported this line, MOTU and will be the MAIN supporters of the PoP characters released in MOTUC?

    It's the 25th Anniversary of PoP and we REALLY can't get an extra rooted throwback head so our figures can look up and down?!

    I love Mattel and all the MOTUC figures we have received, but I am MASSIVELY disappointed in this and it needs to be fixed.

    I am a subscriber, will continue to subscribe and buy every character in this line, but Mattel needs to show more love to PoP fans! Where's the fore-sight?
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    Once again Toyguru is caught in double talk.

    The real reason he won't push a second head with rooted hair is because it would make the POP figures more expensive for HIM, which would probably decrease whatever bonus he gets for bringing each figure release in under budget.

    I have no idea if that is how Mattel works, but considering how cautious he seems about the cost of each figure, I would bet that the budget is a huge part of why the female figures are getting the shaft (Evil Lyn without any fancy changes, a la Mer-Man; the neck pegs; no rooted-hair heads)

    anyway, I just think it's not going to happen because it will decrease the profit on the females and that would probably decrease TG's income as Brand manager.

    Maybe.

    Otherwise, TG, why would you say you'd have to change vendors, but you have changed vendors for this line, and others, before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcrduke View Post
    (Evil Lyn without any fancy changes, a la Mer-Man; the neck pegs; no rooted-hair heads).
    Thank you very much for bringing up Evil-Lyn! I forgot to mention how she does not come with an extra, helmetless head or cape. She was always shown in the mini-comics with a cape, and her second head is VASTLY different from a helmeted one. 200X Evil-Lyn went helmetless in the MYP cartoon with white hair, so I doubt that look is off-limits

    That didn't deserve a second head but a MUSTACHE did!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspecter View Post
    200X Evil-Lyn went helmetless in the MYP cartoon with white hair, so I doubt that look is off-limits
    I think the problem with a helmetless MotUC Evil-Lyn is the yellow skin - it would really clash with the white hair. If the inevitable pale/purple Lyn doesn't have a new head, that would be a separate matter...

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    I'm OK with rooted hair on an extra head, but I am VERY thankful the figures all have sculpted plastic hair in this line.

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    I'd wish to either see rooted hair or alternative head-sculpts (i.e with Adora a hair with a pony tail) in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspecter View Post
    Thank you very much for bringing up Evil-Lyn! I forgot to mention how she does not come with an extra, helmetless head or cape. She was always shown in the mini-comics with a cape, and her second head is VASTLY different from a helmeted one. 200X Evil-Lyn went helmetless in the MYP cartoon with white hair, so I doubt that look is off-limits

    That didn't deserve a second head but a MUSTACHE did!?
    I want the deluxe treatment for Evil Lyn, too. However, I don't think that the extra heads work as well with her yellow skin version. Regardless of how I feel about the cape, she does come with cool accessories... they improved the falcon and included the armor and perch.... Pretty cool to me.

    Since they are planning a 200X re-deux for her, those are things they can explore when she looks a little more Filmation/MYP. We'll get most of these anticipated accessories with the next release version of her, I'm betting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspecter View Post
    That didn't deserve a second head but a MUSTACHE did!?
    To be honest, they shoulda just went with the mustached look, and did away totally with the clean shaven look.

    They only did that to keep with the original toy, but no other incarnation of the character had the clean shaven look.

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    If they would release the POP figures with rooted hair then I would skip all of them. I won't display figures with rooted hair. I own a 200x She-Ra and she is the only figure I don't have on display. I just can't stand the look of barbie dolls in my display.
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    An extra head with hair would be nice, it's true.

    I totally understand how DarkSpecter feels about female figures being a bit "ill-produced", or about Mattel not investing much in MOTUC in general, or at least not as much as we would like them to invest.

    But hey, I was just thinking... would ROOTED hair be an obligation on an extra head ?

    I mean... I took a look at NECA's Grizzlor staction. I don't think his fur is rooted, but it worked VERY GOOD nevertheless !

    And I was wondering... JUST wondering... if something of the sort might be possible for eventual POP alternate heads...


    Please let me know what you think about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAMURAI36 View Post
    Is it really worth driving up the cost of an already expensive figure, to have an accessory that only a minority wants? Are you A) really willing to eat the cost, and B) want the rest of us to eat it too?

    I'd have thought that fans would be much more concerned with things like bobble-head issues, and loose joints, than rooted hair.
    Again, this wouldn't be that expensive. The cheapest method as of now (because of what Mattel has decided to do) would be to have them made at the factory that makes Barbie heads. They just have to make ONE basic head mold and repaint it to look like the other girls and include them in ONE boxset. Heck, Mattel could even make this boxset before they even make all the extra girls. One head mold, different paint for eye colour (skin tone is the same) and different hair. That's a total of 14 heads (not including the She-Ra and Catra variants and Double Trouble. Her head is too complex to root and include in the boxset). The female figures that have head pieces or masks (She-Ra, Catra, Glimmer, Spinnerella, Netossa and Entrapta) could have the extra pieces in their package. Problem solved. Just as cheap as making a classic re-painted weapons pack (which we may be getting).

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    If they would release the POP figures with rooted hair then I would skip all of them. I won't display figures with rooted hair. I own a 200x She-Ra and she is the only figure I don't have on display. I just can't stand the look of barbie dolls in my display.
    Again, a rooted head would be extra, not the main head. You would not buy a figure because of a BONUS accessory? I'm confused.
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    After seeing the first two figures in hand I think rooted hair would look dumb on these figures.

    But you can buy a Barbie doll if you like and replace the hair...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoViEfReAk View Post
    After seeing the first two figures in hand I think rooted hair would look dumb on these figures.

    But you can buy a Barbie doll if you like and replace the hair...
    Angel-T made a custom MOTUC She-Ra from Teela and used real hair and I think it looks quite good:



    She also doesn't really look out of place with the guys:

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    Excellent points, especially the part about Mattel being open-minded about flocking, smells etc. on classic MOTU figures when fans express interest in those things. I've always been of the mind-set that POP characters needed the second head treatment. Out of all the characters available to MOTUC, it makes the most sense to include a second head with the females of POP, given that it's a drastically different look compared to the sculpted hair and would also solve the problem of restricted head movement. Please work to make this happen, Mattel!

    In addition (as other folks have sometimes pointed out), when the 4H were designing the female body, I feel like POP shouldn't have been the after thought since this is where the vast majority of females are coming from. I'm really interested in eventually seeing a Type 2 body.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoViEfReAk View Post
    But you can buy a Barbie doll if you like and replace the hair...
    It's not possible, unless you glue the hair on the figure. Not sure this would look that great.

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    I feel like POP shouldn't have been the after thought since this is where the vast majority of females are coming from. I'm really interested in eventually seeing a Type 2 body.

    I fully agree. Teela looked fine, great even...but with Frosta, She-Ra, Adora and Catra likely to all be made in the line, there needs to be some body variety, and thought given to these figures. The Moss Man moss or extra Moustache MAA head is a consideration that the He-fans got...having POP action figures that can move their heads and have hair should be one the POPers get too.

    I doubt they'll come around...but I really, really want a thinner, sexier female body for Catra and Frosta, two of the thinner female She-Ra characters...

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    I've got absolutely no interest in a rooted head for the female figures.


    I always thought the rooted hair always made the original POP figures look horrible. Hair on an "action figure" IMO is just a stupid idea. It looked bad on the classic POP figures and looked even worse on the 200X She-Ra.

    I'm just not a fan of "mixed media" on a figure. Even cloth capes sometimes look bad if not done right on plastic figures.

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    I think including the rooted hair heads may actually hurt sales. Yes theres "Hardcore" Pop fans that want them, but hardcore POP fans aint a very big audience. Plus they'd buy the figures anyway.

    POP stuff has big thing against it, the toyline was Girly Doll toys for Girls. Which is fine girls need toys, but they have for the most part they have no appeal to like 95% of the boys that were into MOTU. Like i watched the POP cartoon as a kid, and collected MOTU, but i never ever touched POP figures with a 40 foot pole. Because they are girl toys, i have no real problems with the charcters, but i want action figures not dolls.

    Giving them hair like this and and fabric clothes makes them dolls again, and i know i wouldn't touch them with a 40 foot pole again, i want action figures not dolls. I don't collect dolls [Plus I'm very adament i hate fabric and real hair on action figures.]

    I think mattel is trying to sway POP from being doll oriented it would have more mass appeal given the majority of MOTUC collectors being male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    I've got absolutely no interest in a rooted head for the female figures.


    I always thought the rooted hair always made the original POP figures look horrible. Hair on an "action figure" IMO is just a stupid idea. It looked bad on the classic POP figures and looked even worse on the 200X She-Ra.

    I'm just not a fan of "mixed media" on a figure. Even cloth capes sometimes look bad if not done right on plastic figures.
    Watch the end of Dan's Adora review and look how bad the hair is on the 2 She-Ra figures he compares her with. Rooted hair, no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagamigod View Post
    Watch the end of Dan's Adora review and look how bad the hair is on the 2 She-Ra figures he compares her with. Rooted hair, no thanks.
    His 80's She-Ra is a mess, I'll give you that, but his 200X She-Ra isn't bad. That's what happens when figures get all thrown together in a bin. If you did that with hyper-articulated figures like MOTUC and Marvel Legends, they would never stand again.

    Here's a picture of some of my PoP figures to show not all become a mess. Just a side-note: I bought 100% of my figures used, loose and owned by children in the 80's, not collectors (except for the 2 customs in the pic):

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    Darkspecter,

    That still will not convince detractors. The rooted hair will not work for all characters namely our first POP figure. Also that is what stopped me from getting them as a kid. It just screams girls' toyline. If you have ever seen Figma figures from Japan, most of the figures are girls and the molded hair looks fantastic, some even have articulation in the hair. Now if you want something like that I will agree and with sculpted hair they can mold the hair dynamically.

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