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    200X ADAM & VINTAGE ADAM in MOTUC

    A way to solve that there are 2 versions of this character in MOTUC is stablish young Adam in the same Age that Keldor (& Kronis) before transforming into Skeletor. Keldor & Adam were unfriendly each other since the beginning.

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    I think the line is following a similar storyline to MYP, so Adam would have just been a baby when Keldor became Skeletor.

    Don't know if you meant it like this, but that sounds like Spectacular Spider-Man where Peter and Eddie Brock had known each other for years before getting their powers. I hated that!

    Honestly though, as TG has said, the only official canon for any one fan is what you make it, so if that's the way you want it, then by all means go down that route!
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    I don't care what the storyline is, but we need PRINCE ADAM this year!
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    I'd personaly like to get the DC Mini series Prince Adam (which predates filmation's)

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    Since Adam and Adora are twins and Adora's profile establishes she was stolen as a baby by Skeletor, "young" Adam interacting with Keldor in MotUC is, well, impossible.
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    Young Adam is simply Adam when he first used the Sword of Power. That's consistent with both MYP and Filmation continuities, and many mini comics too. No need to rewrite Adam's age and there's nothing wrong with a "First Use" Adam being made. We wouldn't need a younger Adora though since she was older at the time of her First Use of the Sword of Protection. It's real simple, and I'm looking forward to the younger Adam rather than the repaint of He-Man version. I'm glad they are doing both too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toymaker View Post
    I think the line is following a similar storyline to MYP, so Adam would have just been a baby when Keldor became Skeletor.

    Don't know if you meant it like this, but that sounds like Spectacular Spider-Man where Peter and Eddie Brock had known each other for years before getting their powers. I hated that!

    Honestly though, as TG has said, the only official canon for any one fan is what you make it, so if that's the way you want it, then by all means go down that route!
    In Adora`s bio it says she was kidnapped by Skeletor, meaning the transformation had already taken place

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    I swear I read somewhere that TG has said they don’t use molds for different lines. I think it came up when everyone thought Gygor was a Gorilla Grodd re-use. He said there are agreements they have with their licensees. Accessories have been re-used between the DC and MOTU lines like Screech. I don’t think we’ll be seeing DC molds used for MOTU for actual characters.

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    Not only the license agreements, but the steel molds for the DCUC parts might be in a completely different factory than the steel molds for the MOTU parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zodach View Post
    Not only the license agreements, but the steel molds for the DCUC parts might be in a completely different factory than the steel molds for the MOTU parts.
    They reused the Zoar mold for the Wonder Twins and Beast Boy falcons, so parts sharing between the two lines is possible.

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    Really NOT looking forward to the 200x Adam. My main issue will him will be that there are no other unique characters/variants to display with him within the Classics cannon. Keldor, Kronis, 200x Evil Lynn and Captain Randor work out to come before Adam was born or when he was a baby. Most everyone else comes into play with the older vintage style Adam we are getting with Orko. So I'd like this to be one 200x variant that doesn't show up anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanmyth View Post
    Really NOT looking forward to the 200x Adam. My main issue will him will be that there are no other unique characters/variants to display with him within the Classics cannon. Keldor, Kronis, 200x Evil Lynn and Captain Randor work out to come before Adam was born or when he was a baby. Most everyone else comes into play with the older vintage style Adam we are getting with Orko. So I'd like this to be one 200x variant that doesn't show up anytime soon.
    Depends...200X Adam, Adora and Teela is probably more of a preference type thing more than anything.

    • If you want Adam or Adora looking different than He-Man and She-Ra, then 200X Adam is the Adam of your choice. Likewise, if they make an Adora from a young Teela buck.

    • If you like Adam, Adora and Teela as 16 year olds like in MYP. Then they can replace the older Classic versions.

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    adam 200x in motuc maybe FH could use the wonder twin boy's mold

    I definitely want a young adam 200x in motuc style.

    wonder twin boy is smaller than a motuc, he is like the young adam.
    this mold reminds me adam 200x and fh should not make new molds for this figure.

    i ask tg about this and he said:

    We will not be using DCUC body parts in the MOTUC line. Good thought though.
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    but then said that maybe they re-used dcuc molds in motuc.



    what do you think about it?

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    I can totally see that happening.

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    Not likely (IMO, of course), but it would work in a pinch. I do hope we see a younger (200X) Adam in Classics, and I hope that is where we see a Bio on the prince.
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    200X Prince Adam is a MUST!

    After reading a thread about whether or not Queen Marlena knows her son's secret - I was motivated to start this thread (it might be old news, but it's a new topic to me).

    I'm thinking that maybe they included Prince Adam as an "accessory" for Orko because:

    1. They wanted to get the vintage release out of the way
    2. Open the door for a Prince Adam "variant"

    I believed it's explained somewhere that Adam uses the same design structure as He-Man as a conserving design strategy - he definitely doesn't look 17-18yrs old in the Filmation show. The idea that Adam and He-Man are essentially identical twins, and nobody notices, is a little far-fetched.

    MYP handled it a little better with the "scrawny", boyish Adam. And for the sake of contemporary logic, it would make sense to have the real release of a Prince Adam figure be the scrawny 200X version.

    What do you guys think? Vintage Adam or 200X Adam?
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    I think...its complicated!

    I really like the 200X Adam design. Adam's outfit and the identical/Adam He-Man have always been the easiest things to giggle at about the original series(I still love it though) The 200X version miraculously solved both of these things while retaining the basic outfit design.

    I can't choose which I like better. The Classics Adam somehow makes the vintage outfit look less silly to me, but I'd love to see a 200X version.

    He'd need an entirely new slim body shape, which may not be likely. Also, the gameplan for entirely different character designs seems to be to introduce them as a separate character. Zodac and Zodak are different guys, Vikor exists in the Classics world and isn't referred to as "concept" He-Man.
    It's hard to see how they'd work him in. Teenage Adam? He-Man's future son?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeEyes22 View Post
    I think...its complicated!

    I really like the 200X Adam design. Adam's outfit and the identical/Adam He-Man have always been the easiest things to giggle at about the original series(I still love it though) The 200X version miraculously solved both of these things while retaining the basic outfit design.

    I can't choose which I like better. The Classics Adam somehow makes the vintage outfit look less silly to me, but I'd love to see a 200X version.

    He'd need an entirely new slim body shape, which may not be likely. Also, the gameplan for entirely different character designs seems to be to introduce them as a separate character. Zodac and Zodak are different guys, Vikor exists in the Classics world and isn't referred to as "concept" He-Man.
    It's hard to see how they'd work him in. Teenage Adam? He-Man's future son?
    I like Classics Adam too. The reasons you like both characters...well I agree. I personally lean more towards the 200X version, because that secret identity makes more sense. They could re-use the sculpt for "Dare - The Son of He-Man" I suppose (a little far-fetched I know).

    I always thought of 200X Adam at around 15yrs old. And as he got older, he would start to resemble He-Man more (Adam grown up and beefed out) - which is the case when he's 18yrs and older in NA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FakeEyes22 View Post
    I think...its complicated!

    I really like the 200X Adam design. Adam's outfit and the identical/Adam He-Man have always been the easiest things to giggle at about the original series(I still love it though) The 200X version miraculously solved both of these things while retaining the basic outfit design.

    I can't choose which I like better. The Classics Adam somehow makes the vintage outfit look less silly to me, but I'd love to see a 200X version.

    He'd need an entirely new slim body shape, which may not be likely. Also, the gameplan for entirely different character designs seems to be to introduce them as a separate character. Zodac and Zodak are different guys, Vikor exists in the Classics world and isn't referred to as "concept" He-Man.
    It's hard to see how they'd work him in. Teenage Adam? He-Man's future son?
    Very good point, I don't know how they'll handle it. My guess is either way it'll be 2012 or later before we see 200x Adam. I can see them simply calling it a Character Variant as the TS proposed. I think the character that will set the variant precedent/standard will be how they handle the sorceress, and I think she will get released at least once before we see 200x Adam in my opinion. Depending how they handle her I think will give us a window into how they intend on handling massive character design differences between 200x and vintage. The fact that we didn't get an Adam Bio with the Orko 2 pack makes me think they're either saving the bio for DC comic variant Adam or 200x Adam. I guess only time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle of Grayskul View Post
    Very good point, I don't know how they'll handle it. My guess is either way it'll be 2012 or later before we see 200x Adam. I can see them simply calling it a Character Variant as the TS proposed. I think the character that will set the variant precedent/standard will be how they handle the sorceress, and I think she will get released at least once before we see 200x Adam in my opinion. Depending how they handle her I think will give us a window into how they intend on handling massive character design differences between 200x and vintage. The fact that we didn't get an Adam Bio with the Orko 2 pack makes me think they're either saving the bio for DC comic variant Adam or 200x Adam. I guess only time will tell.
    I don't really follow your logic here about the Sorceress' release. She had a figure in the vintage 80s run. Thus, her first release will be based on that figure design and updated. TG has already confirmed that first releases of a figure will be based predominately on the vintage look, if there was a figure in the 80s of that character, perhaps with some nods here and there to the 200x design. The only exception to this rule has been with the POP characters. For some reason, those are being based on the style guide interpretations of the characters. So, how is handling her design going to effect the release of a 200x Adam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by csc0709 View Post
    I don't really follow your logic here about the Sorceress' release. She had a figure in the vintage 80s run. Thus, her first release will be based on that figure design and updated. TG has already confirmed that first releases of a figure will be based predominately on the vintage look, if there was a figure in the 80s of that character, perhaps with some nods here and there to the 200x design. The only exception to this rule has been with the POP characters. For some reason, those are being based on the style guide interpretations of the characters. So, how is handling her design going to effect the release of a 200x Adam?
    I can't comment on the Sorceress/Adam logic, but I would like to follow up on your comment about the POP characters.

    I think it's safe to say that the style guide designs have a wider appeal, and are thus "safer" for the toy designs. I suspect that the powers that be feel that doing designs based directly on the original POP toys would not do as well as the less "efeminizing" vintage toy designs. But, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually released the vintage POP designs all as variants - maybe even with rooted hair and cloth clothes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csc0709 View Post
    I don't really follow your logic here about the Sorceress' release. She had a figure in the vintage 80s run. Thus, her first release will be based on that figure design and updated. TG has already confirmed that first releases of a figure will be based predominately on the vintage look, if there was a figure in the 80s of that character, perhaps with some nods here and there to the 200x design. The only exception to this rule has been with the POP characters. For some reason, those are being based on the style guide interpretations of the characters. So, how is handling her design going to effect the release of a 200x Adam?
    Sorry I didn't explain it well , first off I personally think we will see a Sorceress release before we see 200x Adam, just what I think.
    That being said, I really wonder what look we'll get for the Sorceress, supposedly filmation is off limits and there are mutliple vintage Sorceress incarnations in addition to the filmation one, so I will be curious to see what look the sorceress has and how much if any 200x influence is on the first figure we get. I get what you're saying about what TG said, however we have yet to get a "vintage" looking figure followed by a 200x variant. I understand the line is still in its infancy but we're getting our 4th He-Man variant now (Wun-Dar, BA, TRU, BA) (5 if you count vintage Adam) and we have yet to see a 200x inspired He-Man (Snake Armor, 200x Harness, Ice Armor). So far all of the 200x variant things we've gotten have been included in the original release of the "variant" figure (Trap Jaw's Kronis parts, 200x heads, 200x weapons, etc.) (that's obviously not including 200x unique characters like Chief Carnivus, Keldor, etc.)

    So what I was trying to say was that depending on what the Sorceress looks like in her original release, and how much if any 200x influence is included I think will set a precedent for 200x characters that are different from their vintage predecessors. So if the sorceress is an all vintage look, with pretty much zero 200x influence then yes, we will still be getting 200x character renditions sometime in the line like Adam and Sorceress. But if there are 200x influences on her figure, then I say no 200x variant of sorceress and chances for a 200x Adam look bleak. Again this is just my opinion, and I think a lot of this is based on Mattel scaling back 200x influences on the line to maintain a "classic" look

    Hope that clears up what I was trying to say and hope you can follow my thought process there
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