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    Cosmic Key NA idea and open letter to Mattel from Jack Olesker!

    As I was posting in another thread about a Gwildor/Orko 2 pack I thought about this. The Cosmic Key could bring the future to the present. I think it could work if they wantd to go that route. Becasue then you dont have to go and have the same story as the original Na and keep all the characters in the classic present. MAybe the present time needs help from the Galactic Guardians instead of the other way around. Or maybe Gwildor opens a portal and the Mutants come thru and they team up with bone face or the snakes and are really powerfull. So they go into the future to find out hwo to beat them. And the GG come back in time to help the Masters.
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    I've always wanted the Cosmic Key to be the thing that frees Hordak from Despondos....

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    Yeah, me too.. I like it being the portal to primus too though.
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    I actually love that idea, it would also give Gwildor a place in both realms (helping to merge the science and fantasy)

    I really like the idea that the Mutants came through and the Masters had to go to the Guardians for assitance.
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    I know that the cosmic key could be used to travel in any dimensions but i'm not sure it could be used to travel in the past or in the future.

    anyway, Great IDEA man !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockVivien View Post
    I know that the cosmic key could be used to travel in any dimensions but i'm not sure it could be used to travel in the past or in the future.

    anyway, Great IDEA man !!!!
    Sure it can. At the end of the movie, Gwildor offers to send Julie and Keven back to their planet's past or ahead to the future. Julie says "just send us home" but Gwildor decides to send them back to before Julie's parents were killed.

    This sounds like a great idea to me. I'm all for any way of bringing in Gwildor. He's my one of my favorite characters and my most wanted figure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianatarms View Post
    As I was posting in another thread about a Gwildor/Orko 2 pack I thought about this. The Cosmic Key could bring the future to the present. I think it could work if they wantd to go that route. Becasue then you dont have to go and have the same story as the original Na and keep all the characters in the classic present. MAybe the present time needs help from the Galactic Guardians instead of the other way around. Or maybe Gwildor opens a portal and the Mutants come thru and they team up with bone face or the snakes and are really powerfull. So they go into the future to find out hwo to beat them. And the GG come back in time to help the Masters.
    I like that. I'd be all for something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    I actually love that idea, it would also give Gwildor a place in both realms (helping to merge the science and fantasy)

    I really like the idea that the Mutants came through and the Masters had to go to the Guardians for assitance.
    yup this is why i like it. it legitimizes gwildor a bit more in the mythos rather than being a "movie" figure and a poor man's on screen orko lol


    it is a pretty clever way to open a gate between primus and eternia.

    heck it is a good way to open a gate from eternia and etheria.
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    I love the idea of Gwildor being integral to the Bio-Canon mythology. The Cosmic Key is indeed a powerful instrument and the notion of it being used in bringing the New Adventures into play is certainly not withot merit! I look forward to learning more about any of mattel's plans. Thus far, I've not been disappointed yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianatarms View Post
    Im a big fan of Gwildor too. I think that if you use him for what hes worth and not the comedy that was given in the movie he is a vital key part in MOTU history.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bulkhide View Post
    I gotta agree with this. I think he could be a very awesome addition to the MOTUC, depending on how he's utilized.
    Have to admit that I LOATHE Gwildor, but its more to do with the way he was depicted in the film -Dressing in drag, the 'Moo' scene!- there were moments where Billy Barty showed how compassionate and interesting the character could be, but it was overshadowed by lame sight gags.

    That Said, if he can be linked in as well as some of you guys are hypothesizing, then Im all for it! and I could honestly learn to love him too! Bring it on!

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    Like I said before if Gwildor and Orko is used as serious important characters they can be very influencial characters in the new Bio's. In my opinion. MAttel has the chance to take the childish out of MOTU and make it some thing better then it once was. Like making Cringer/Battlecat not talk. Make the new canon raw, it is an adult line so make it a little ruff areound the edges.
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    An open letter to mattel

    PREFACE:

    In what may be a record for the longest title of thread, Brianatarms recently began a thread entitled COULD THE COSMIC KEY BE THE THING THAT TIES IN NA AND THE CLASSIC LINE TOGETHER?

    It's not my intention to commandeer Brianatarm's thread. But I feel his idea is so powerful and crystalizing that I would like to begin a second thread here -- with a mandate that everyone who reads this first read the original post in his thread -- so his concept can be supported and brought directly to Mattel's attention by one who was intimately involved with THE NEW ADVENTURES OF HE-MAN and one who has a history of having written over one thousand episodes of television.

    Brianatarms' idea is, in a word, genius. As such, with a deep and respectul bow to Brianatarms, I submit this thread for everyone's consideration, comments and hopefully to garner the attention of Mattel for the benefit of all who love He-man. (NOTE: Mods have since combined our two thread into one.)


    AN OPEN LETTER TO MATTEL:

    As the creator of NA and author of 37 of its episodes, I'm in love with the idea expressed in Brianatarms' COULD THE COSMIC KEY BE THE THING THAT TIES IN NA AND THE CLASSIC LINE TOGETHER.

    As anyone who has read my posts in THE NEW ADVENTURES OF HE-MAN 1990 Annual thread (from post 23 on) in the NA forum or has listened to my interview on the Masterscast Episode 25 podcast knows, I had hoped to bring He-man, Skeletor and some of the mutants back to Eternia in Season Two of NA, after peace had been brought to Primus and upon He-man's learning that MAA had turned into a dictator in his absense and had exiled the ruling tri-partite group of She-Ra, Teela and The Sorceress, (I won't go into why I suggest why or justify how MAA could have become power-hungry here as I've discussed it elsewhere. But I will say I understand and appreciate the seriousness of MAA acting in this manner and I've a {imho} lengthy, well thought out and logical support argument for it) with Marlena and Randor imprisoned in Snake Mountain.

    It seems to me that taking Brianatarms' stunning plot device a step further, it would be a master stroke that The Sorceress would use Gwildor to summon He-man back to Eternia now that He-man had resolved Primus' problems. Moreover, Gwildor would take an even more important role -- given his legendary locksmithing abilities -- in that he, alone, possesses the skill and talent to unlock the prison cell in which Marlena and Randor are held. Their freedom would serve as a rallying point to all on Eternia and hopefully bring MAA to his senses, making him realize his flirting with a fledgling newfound alliance with Skeletor runs counter to all that is good for Eternia.

    In this sense, Gwildor becomes a fully realized hero -- at the same time comedic yet noble and much depended upon by He-man and all Eternia.

    Brianatarm's post is, I believe the key (if you'll allow the pun) to artfully bringing together NA and MOTU -- as evidenced by the admittedly small sampling here. It is a way for all sides to at last come together and -- for Mattel -- a way to create an entirely new toy line with Mutants (this time the scale being compatible with MOTU ), the classic MOTU figs and plenty of other characters to boot. (Imagine, for a moment, an episode in which a legion of diminiutive Mites pour through a Gwildor-created worm hole and worship him because they believe equally diminutive Gwildor to be a demi-god. Showing him allegiance, the Mites become an army that aids He-man's new struggles on Eternia. Can you say "Play-sets"?)

    Yes, I know this is all speculative. But the entire creative process is speculative and all series begin somewhere. Sometimes -- when an idea is just perfect -- it can create a groundswell that was waiting to be born. This writer has been waiting almost two decades for a way to bring NA and MOTU together and I think Brianatarms just may have found it.

    If the majority on this board -- comprised of fans who are the Keepers of the Flame for He-man and, as such, are the ones who know what will best bring him out of suspended animation (sorry for the second pun, but I couldn't resist) -- agree with this direction, then perhaps you can respectfully and enthusiastically bring it to Mattel's attention.

    It could give He-man new life, unify all fans, create a whole new generation of fans and spawn a re-launch (this one successful) of the He-man line because of its unifying aspects, fully fleshed out characters, the logic of it all and an amazingly dramatic storyline with a long term arc that will delight all MOTU fans -- new and old.

    Are you listneing, Toyguru? Are you listen, Mattel?

    (Kudos to Brianatarms.)

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    Nifty idea. Not on board with all of it (I'd maybe have King Hiss once again taking over Eternia rather than Man-At-Arms, mostly because I could never buy the idea of MAA turning bad), but there are parts that sound pretty brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zodak74 View Post
    Nifty idea. Not on board with all of it (I'd maybe have King Hiss once again taking over Eternia rather than Man-At-Arms, mostly because I could never buy the idea of MAA turning bad), but there are parts that sound pretty brilliant!
    Understood and respected. It's a lengthy discussion for another time. (And I will tell you that my personal feeling has always been that it's wise to solicit fan interaction.)

    With regard to MAA turning bad, I will, however, point out -- as I did in other posts -- that there were likely a lot of folks who, at some point in time, could never buy the idea of Judas Iscariot, Lancelot du Lac or Anikan Skywalker turning bad. Circumstances and long hidden emotions can sometimes conspire to surprise those who think they know a person well. When that happens -- when the most seemingly pure of heart falls from grace -- it is all the more powerful and can result in amazing, unexpected and compelling storylines.

    That said, I'm delighted that you like the overall idea and I think Brainatarms is to be commended for striving to find a way to bring all fans together and to create a legion of new ones.

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    Jack, could you go into a little more detail on what made MAA go bad? It's the one aspect of your proposal for NA Season Two that I have a hard time believing would actually happen. Maybe if I knew more about the circumstances surrounding it I might change my mind, but it just seems so out of character for Duncan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RocketPunch View Post
    Jack, could you go into a little more detail on what made MAA go bad? It's the one aspect of your proposal for NA Season Two that I have a hard time believing would actually happen. Maybe if I knew more about the circumstances surrounding it I might change my mind, but it just seems so out of character for Duncan.
    Well again, this is just one person's take on it.

    I do believe in the greatness of MAA's spirit and heart. However, I also believe in the corruptive power of having to forever live in another's shadow. The thirst for power is also a draw. And betrayal is an act of devastation that can cause great scars.

    Now I'm not saying He-man betrayed MAA by answering Primus' call for help. As I've said in other posts, our brave military personnel answer the call for help on a daily basis and leave family and friends behind to serve those who need their help. But just a many loyal MOTU fans were angered by He-man's leaving, perhaps MAA also, in his mind, felt betrayed. If in that power vacuum Teela, She-ra and The Sorceress formed the tri-partite alliance I suggested in order to fight off an unexpected threat, it seems to me that it might have been the key that brought all of these emotions together in MAA and turned that key: 1) he'd always been in He-man's shadow, 2) he felt betrayed by He-man leaving and 3) instead of him being ordained to lead, three women (gasp! ) take/are given the reins of power.

    I want to be very careful to say that I'm not suggesting he is evil. He's not. But events can conspire in such a way that a person can make bad choices and that is precisely what I suggest might have happened to MAA. He is, then, a lost soul and a victim of circumstances. Having been that victim of circumstances, there is also plenty of guilt that can be laid because he made those bad choices. That he will eventually realize the error of his ways and, after agonies and still more wrong choices, return to the fold will be cause for celebration throughout Eternia and pave the way for even greater battles against forces that truly are evil.

    As I've also said in other posts, the humor that I enjoyed having in NA would be almost completely gone from this new concept. It would be a dark time, with dark alliances and dark deeds -- those times, alliances and deeds illuminated, exposed and overcome only through the shining beacon that is He-man's essence. It would be a time that would try men's (and women's) souls and only the most powerful man in the universe could hope to not only survive those dark times but to triumph over them.

    Ah well, it's just fan-fic...for now.

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    Id rather it were King Hiss than Man-At-Arms who takes over Eternia but otherwise I love the idea. It is interesting to think of MAA turning a bit evil without realising it because he thinks he is doing all he can to protect Eternia after He-man abandons them though.
    Would be great to continue from the old cartoons or even conclude them in a one off DVD or special like G.I. Joe resolute and Turtles Forever.
    It would be nice to finally see MOTU and NA really coming together and having the series linked in a deeper way than we got to see in the first ep of NA.

    I can understand why people hate Gwildor. I hate alot of silly comedy characters like him in other media but for some reason I have always had a soft spot for Gwildor. Orko and Kowl too.
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    Personally, I think that using Gwildor and the key as a means to have the NA characters interact with the other characters is cool.

    Also, the idea of Gwildor creating a wormhole through which armies of Galactymites and of Cleanons emerge is OK.

    But sorry, I'm not into the "bad Man-At-Arms" trip. (And if the whole point is to have an "evil MAA" variant, then I'm totally OPPOSED to the idea !).

    Now, if we have Galactymites and Cleanons, then we'd better have Meteorbs too (preferably before Galactymites and Cleanons). Now, speaking about action figures, Meteorbs, Galactymites and Cleanons might be pack-ins. But I don't plan to buy hordes of them by themselves !

    And I don't know what was the playsets allusion, but if some playsets must be released, my feeling is that we should see Castle Grayskull, Snake Mountain, the Fright Zone, Eternia (the ultimate battleground) and the Crystal Palace first, before anything else !

    In my point of view, there are also other central characters that deserve have an important role. Not only Gwildor, but also The Sorceress herself, and Eldor !
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    This is some fun logic, I'd like to see where they could take the future & present merger... nice thoughts everyone!!
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    YES, I LOVED the idea when i had heard it as well.

    It is so SIMPLE an idea but yet elegant in its simplicity. It has the added benefit of:

    A. Using a plot device, the Cosmic Key, which is already a part of the MOTU mythos rather than shoehorning in some new Macguffin or other contrived device.

    B. It gives a more universally derided character, such as Gwildor, a purpose. it gives him a larger tie to the universe of MOTU. It makes him important rather than a joke and i am ALWAYS for making a character more than a one off joke, just look what MYP did for Stinkor or Count Marzo.


    so YES!!! please give the Cosmic Key and Gwildor the importance they deserve.

    p.s. doing this will make a Gwildor toy MUCH more wanted....FYI

    Quote Originally Posted by Heeeere's Olesker! View Post
    Understood and respected. It's a lengthy discussion for another time. (And I will tell you that my personal feeling has always been that it's wise to solicit fan interaction.)

    With regard to MAA turning bad, I will, however, point out -- as I did in other posts -- that there were likely a lot of folks who, at some point in time, could never buy the idea of Judas Iscariot, Lancelot du Lac or Anikan Skywalker turning bad. Circumstances and long hidden emotions can sometimes conspire to surprise those who think they know a person well. When that happens -- when the most seemingly pure of heart falls from grace -- it is all the more powerful and can result in amazing, unexpected and compelling storylines.

    That said, I'm delighted that you like the overall idea and I think Brainatarms is to be commended for striving to find a way to bring all fans together and to create a legion of new ones.
    i always like the idea of MAA turning bad like you stated. I didnt think of him as turning bad but rather having a different motivation.

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    I'm jumping on the positive side of the board for this idea too. It's such a simple pre-existing device in MOTU lore that could easily be the very thing that ties NA in with the rest of MOTU lore. No matter what the intentions behind where the characters go after He-Man and Skeletor jump forward in time, and when or if they come back, using the cosmic key to move forward in space and time is the brilliantly simple plot point that easily gets the characters from A to B.

    Well done to Brianatarms for coming up with such a great idea and kudos to Jack for jumping on board.

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    I like the idea. It uses an already available plot device, so no need to create something new and a new character.

    On MAA going to the Dark Side: I'd like to read more about that from you, Jack.

    I can see WHY he goes to the Dark Side. (the following is my opinion. Not to be taken as facts.)
    He's friends with the King of Eternia. He's He-Man's mentor. He's The "father" of the "Next Sorceress of Grayskull".
    So much power so close, yet so far. He's the only Normal Human in this pantheon of Gods and Demigods that is the Heroic Warriors. With He-Man (The Power of Grayskull) AND Skeletor out of the Picture there is a shift in the balance of Power. This would cause an increase of the "lesser factions" trying to get control of Eternia. (Perhaps this could allow "new players" to the mix.)

    Duncan with his Tactical experience and knowledge on how most of the known players operate, chose to protect Eternia HIS way. To create a "Hero" you need a "Villain". So Duncan creates a new threat (one that he could control and keep Eternia's struggle in balance.) Himself. By creating a whole new Identity to walk the Dark path (this should read: Hey kids! Here's the NEW ACTION FIGURE of Duncan's "Evil" Persona) Duncan can have his "threat" and "fight" it with the Heroic Warriors

    "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

    Eventually Duncan would tire of the charade and take over completely. (Removing the House of Randor from Eternos, quelling the Uprisings from the other factions, etc.) Zodac and the Cosmic Enforcers would not interfere since Duncan's actions are to maintain Balance on the planet.

    Is MAA Evil?
    No. He's not. I believe that he sees himself as a man that is sacrificing himself for the sake of others. He CHOSE to become a monster in order to bring peace and prosperity to Eternia.
    There is a part of him that is enjoying all the glory and power that he has, but there is another that longs for the one who will restore the proper rulers of Eternia. (My guess is that he hopes for either Teela or Adam to be the one.)

    Now I want an Evil MAA figure...
    sorry if my post (seems) is a bit scattered, I'm no writer.
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