New Pics of Evil-Lyn! (in package too)

[Teelor]

OK I had a chance to digest Evil-Lyn.

Name doesn't really bother me. Her bio isn't the first crappy one, but it's not terrible either. Just grammar and redundant word choices. But that's the norm.

What is redundant about the biography? And where's the poor grammar? I'm not seeing either.

[Darkspecter]

...and you're already acting as if I'm in bed with Mattel for personal favors or something.

I better call the Grayskull Gazette!

As for who writes the bios, here's ToyGuru's official answer on that:

2. Who specifically is responsible for creating/writing the bios shown on the back of the MOTUC packaging and what all goes into creating a bio (details please; inquiring minds want to know!)?
The bios are written by members of the MOTUC packaging and marketing team at Mattel who have VERY thoroughly researched the line. We have access to a lot of early scripts and concept work as well as all of the original toys and artwork. The members of our staff who work on the bios are huge fans of MOTU (such as Toy Guru and others) and we are very proud of the concepts they are including in the bios as a way to sum up a lot of otherwise contradicting stories. We also share the bios with the Four Horsemen as they move forward with sculpting to get there thoughts as well.

We do have a long term plan for the bios and have thought them out very far in advance. Stay tuned, we think you will love where we are going with them!

[Sir Reilly]

I'm kind of glad that they didn't use the "born in the past and sent to the future" origin. I remember it being one of the few things that I didn't like about the MVC comics. I thought it made Evil-lyn's origin overly complicated, plus it was too much like the Adora/She-ra origin. Not to mention it makes the supposed relationship with Keldor really, really creepy.

Gotta agree there. No offense to Emil and Val, but this never sat right with me.
I totally liked the explaination for the skin color change, though.

[Whiplash7]

You'll be waiting awhile.

[Heidi]

Whiplash7 - that pictures sums up my feelings well also.

But now I know for sure that I'm not going to get Trap-Jaw. I was concidering of buying Beastman, Trap-Jaw and Skeletor to pose with Evil-Lyn, but since there won't be a decent looking Evil-Lyn coming up for "awhile," I'll just spend my money on something else. Like Marvel figures.

[Invicta]

You'll be waiting awhile.

I hope it is not a long while! Would love to see the other version!

[Agostinho]

- Evil-Lyn's name: first of all, he's treading on egg-shells, I believe, because her "real name" appeared in the Filmation Bible, and adding "Morgan" to it does not really deflect the threat of legal action, when it comes to the way Mattel Legal thinks (they are UBER careful, and that is why we aren't getting figures in Filmation likeness that they might somehow be able to get away with.. the Horde Wizards, for example, if made, won't be female). Why not:

Evlyn Morgane of the House of Zalesia?

Or

Lyn Sultress of the House of Zalesia?

Sultress was the original concept figure's name... why not include that?

Just to clarify something. The artbook's CAPTION says Sultress, but it's actually a typo. Evil-Lyn's original name, as written on her drawing is Sultra.

I'm just nitpicking because she was based on Sophia Loren and I think Sultra is such a great name :o) Carry on.

What is redundant about the biography? And where's the poor grammar? I'm not seeing either.

Evil-Lyn seeing the EVIL future. It just sounds redundant, much as Hordak is the Evil ruler of the Evil Horde.

Evil wall. Evil book. Evil Rhododendron. lol

[Rodster6]

Wow, people really need to get over their disappointment over this. Some people seem to be getting really nasty about it. Dont take it so personally if something is not done how you would want it to be done. Matty cant please everyone as everyone has different ideas about what they like and want done. Seems to be a few people who are very VERY vocal about their dislike for the bio and think their opinion is everyones.

Im bummed 200X style Lynn wont be for a while.
What was the explaination about Evil Lynns skin color change?

[Judeh Simon]

That's for the 200X Evil-Lyn, right? If so, I expected that.

I don't know, that's a pretty cryptic post if i ever saw one.

[super-munkyboy]

I don't know, that's a pretty cryptic post if i ever saw one.

I wasn't sure if he was replying to my post about a healthy opinionated forum... he seemed a bit grumpy today.

[Rodster6]

Its no wonder he was a bit grumpy lol.

[CicconeSC]

I hope Mattel plays it smart and releases her with the face of the prototype...just get the eyes and mouth the same and they will be good.

I hope the final version, has the black to outline the eyes, like Adora and Teela, and the lips are more like the prototype. I also think the two tone eyeshadow really makes a difference.

Maybe Mattel just had a bad painted figure they sent Toynewsi, if this is the case, bad idea. ToyNewsi shows off the figure, but some people will think blah! She looks to cheap.

I am sure the end product will be similar to Teela and Adora and will have a nice paint job on the face.

Atleast I hope!

[Mern-Ra]

You'll be waiting awhile.

Aw, dagnabbit!!! I was hoping she'd follow Zodac/Zodak's timeline of the original version early in the year and the 200X version later that same year.

[CicconeSC]

I REALLY hope that this was part of the samples Mattel was sent from the factory and not the finalized figure. The face paint NEEDS to be FIXED!!

This is the worst face paint on any of the females and I hope my $80 plus shipping isn't buying me four of these cheap looking Evil Lyn's.

If this is what the fans get, it seems Mattel is trying to cut back on costs to make more profit, which will in turn eventually kill the line.

The quality should be getting better, not WORSE. Not a good sign for the future of the line. Especially with a repainted Teela, Mattel could have atleast gave the fans a nicely painted face (i.e. Adora, Teela, even GG)

[Predabot]

I'm... quite shocked. I usually don't hate on these real names, most have been kind of ok, or something that you can get over, a few were even good, but this one... Nah, it's just bad.

It's kind of a detachment from the rest of her mythology, that name comes from a completely different concept of Lyn than the one that is actually featured in the MotuC-bio.

Evelyn Morgan Powers was on the same ship as Marlena Glenn. When they crash landed on Infinita, the evil of the planet seeped into their bones and their personalities mutated their physical appearances to match.

Much better than a teenage drama queen.

NO! It's far, far worse!!

And the teenage fit of rage actually fits fairly well with her arrogant behaviour, as seen in the MYP-ep where she meets Keldor. We knew that there had to be some place in time where she would leave the Faceless One and his ruins, and considering their less than wholesome relationship in the present, this would explain the estrangement between them.

Of course, her squandering of her gifts for the dark arts, should be a part of it, which I think this bio *kind* of says.

Amen to that! The Ludicrous 'From Earth' concept, is the ONLY canon that is totally ignorable!

AMEN! Man, AMEN!

[CicconeSC]

Maybe the face paint problem, is so Mattel can re-release her in 6-8 months and improve the "face paint" so they force collectors to rebuy the same figure. Like with He-man and Skeletor. lol

I am sooooo excited for Evil-Lyn, now I am bummed. I REALLY can't stress how much I hope this not the final version. It just doesn't make since to not do the same paint application as Adora, Teela and GG. Their eyes are perfect and lips as well. If all the figures start losing quality, I will have to find another line to collect.

[MANGLORD]

evil lyn looks so bad ass and evil, and just like every classic up to this point, i can't wait!!

[bcrduke]

This is a recurring theme in many of your posts.

I did go back and read all of my posts. I was upset by your post and another member's message to me. I wanted to confirm that I was either being horrible, or not. I don't think I have been inappropriate or crazy or wildly accusatory. And I SWEAR I was not trying to be mean in my last reply. I was just trying to defend my position.

When I have said that TG probably doesn't like me, it's been in a snarky way referencing the fact that I have been EXTREMELY critical of him lately, and as a result, he might not care for me much right now. I've met him in person once (at NYCC) and he was very nice. It's not personal. It's customer to company criticism.

When I originally said that you had been "recruited" I WAS kidding. I swear to heaven. Please don't accuse me of lying. I don't lie on here. There is no point.

As for the others I have accused of maybe working for Mattel and posting biased messages: I have never made the accusation wildly or without reason. The two widget members I spoke about had posted between 20-40 posts each - I looked at them and they were ALL 'damage-control' type posts in threads where many members were voicing serious complaints.

As for Hek-tor, his name has been Hek-tor since at least 2006. Another member here did the research, because he thinks, like I do, that Hek-tor IS TG, and that perhaps Hordak's real name was an homage to that name or something. The buy a name-change thing here happened after that I believe.

The member Hek-tor never posted any comments on Hordak's name being revealed as his "handle" here - which I find odd. I mean, if Count Marzo came out and his real name were "bcrduke marzo," I think we'd all make comments about it (aside from comments that it would be HORRIBLE lol).

Yes, Hek-tor has made comments that totally debunk the idea that he might be TG, but he's made more that support it.

I wouldn't have suggested it if I hadn't seriously thought about it first.

I have certainly accused people of things, or suggested that they might be "shills" for Mattel (EVERY collector board has shills from the respective toy companies... if a toy company doesn't do that, they are being foolish.. it's just business). I haven't done so without thinking about it and trying to DISPROVE myself. I don't want to cause a fight, but I will definitely call someone out if they are being fake or dishonest.

I am arguing more now, and I don't want to be. I don't automatically become a bad person if I concede to your assertion that I am being a bad member. I have, in fact, apologized sincerely to you twice. I sent you a facebook message apologizing. It is your choice to accept my apology or not. That's fine, but please don't question my character.

I don't make things up, I don't slander people. I question them, I confront people, as long as I have SOME evidence to think that my idea about them might be true.

This is all RIDICULOUS. It's about toys. I'm passionate a few times a week about the toys I collect, and about people who double-talk and treat the fan-base like we should just accept mediocrity and continue to pay for it.

I have made just as many if not MORE posts complimenting TG though... where is my praise for that, as long as you're so closely analyzing my posts.

Tallstar, I'm done with this, and I am not fighting about it anymore. I have said my peace, and I am going to look at my Adora and BA He-Man figures now (which I love).

If you want to respond and suggest that I am a liar and/or irrational, I hope you'll reconsider.

Thank you.

You'll be waiting awhile.

Well, that must be a change then, yes?

Someone who works at Mattel said that the 200X Evil-Lyn was coming, possibly by year's end.

Has that changed?

You know something, I am sorry if I have offended you. I only criticize because I enjoy this line, and disagree strongly with some of your decisions/choices.

If the others like or dislike what I, or anyone else says, is up to them. I just hope I don'd dishearten you. Not that my opinion matters much anyway. I just know that bad reviews tend to last longer in one's head than the good.

So I am sorry.

I am done criticizing. If it's making everyone else's time here that miserable, then it's not worth it. You know what is working, and what is it, and there are plenty of others here who can criticize of compliment you

[Hek-tor]

WHY did Toyguru have enough time to make up a coolish sounding name for Beastman and, more so, Tri-Klops (maintaining the homage to the Earth name), but not for Evil-Lyn?? WHY is Evil-Lyn shafted?

She's not being shafted. They're paying homage to her Filmation roots.

I am an ego-maniac because I don't like everything he does, and because I say so? I don't necessarily think ANY of my ideas are always better, but they might be better alternatives to some of his decisions... just as other members' ideas have been better.

I tried making this point when the bios first came out. I think it was you that called me a hater for not liking the idea of MVC making He-Ro and Grayskull the same person. The point I was trying to make was that the bios and the MVC comic are different interpretations of the story. The content of the bios are not mistakes, nor an "ego" thing.

The reasons aren't public... maybe you do know that. Maybe you're trying to bait me. I don't know. We all know Scott has at least one "ID" on here, and I have jokingly pointed fingers in the past... but you are SERIOUSLY angry with me here... so maybe...

I don't understand what you mean that I'm trying to bait you?

But you're not grasping what I am saying. Yes, they used MYP stuff (Faceless One is her father, she's from Zalesia, she broke with him at some point, etc.), but they did NOT use the cooler MVC stuff (She was born in the past, and was basically a princess; she was taken by Keldor to the future; she may have a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her father cheated her out of her heritage by giving her to Keldor in order to save her life - she probably would think she could have dealt with Serpos eventually or something knowing the way the character normally thinks, and shouldn't have been "saved," she was poisoned by Despondos which turned her yellow -- something MVC revealed would happen).

I understood what you meant, but not everyone may agree with you about MVC's version being better. It's another way of telling the story. Along with some other fans, I didn’t like MVC’s origin for Evil Lyn. Should I bad mouth the writers by saying they’re ego-maniacs for not using FILMATIONS origin? It’s their story, their interpretations, their imagination.

Yes, you're right. I guess I just feel that her real name now has no regality. It makes me think that the history that could be, might not be.

I love your passion for the line. Give the new story a chance. Lets see how it all comes together.

I'll thank you to keep your orders to yourself. You are not a moderator.
Your smiley is passive aggressive. Please refrain from being passive aggressive.

See QUOTE below…

BCRDuke, I don't think people ar trying to bait you and if they are, you should try not to rise to it. You'll never meet half these people, so there is no point getting worked up, if in fact you are.

However don't think that the use of emoticons is trying to make it passive aggressive etc. The problem with the internet is when you respond , in your head you are saying it one way and to another they make take it a totally different way. Emoticons were made to help this problem.

I don't think others are out to attack you, they are just disagreeing. This is meant to be a healthy opinionated forum to discuss.

And I have a question: You joined the org in 2003, yet your name is "Hek-tor." And it has always been that. That's an amazing coincidence. Wasn't 2003 when TG came on board with Mattel to brand-manage? Sounds right to me... and your "About Me" section seems to fit with regard to what you do... Nahhhhh

[As for Hek-tor, his name has been Hek-tor since at least 2006. Another member here did the research, because he thinks, like I do, that Hek-tor IS TG, and that perhaps Hordak's real name was an homage to that name or something. The buy a name-change thing here happened after that I believe.

The member Hek-tor never posted any comments on Hordak's name being revealed as his "handle" here - which I find odd. I mean, if Count Marzo came out and his real name were "bcrduke marzo," I think we'd all make comments about it (aside from comments that it would be HORRIBLE lol).

Yes, Hek-tor has made comments that totally debunk the idea that he might be TG, but he's made more that support it.

Really? People think TG and I are one in the same? Sweet…!
There are a couple of members that know the truth.

About the name thing, UKI brought it to my attention. I thought it was a joke when he told me. I have posted comments about it in other threads besides this one. I keep saying it’s a GREAT name!

[bcrduke]

yes, I noticed that Uki brought it to your attention.

I will, in a friendly way, remain under the impression that you might be TG (I am not being nasty or snarky... I just think it could be possible... and the comment back to Uki would have been an appropriate deflection).

I mean it's fun thinking that you are, I mean, Scott is, here under another name.

But in any case, I don't want to offend you or anyone else.

I definitely think that others don't like the MVC story.. I do, but that doesn't make it better. I just find it to be more epic, and the more epic all of the backgrounds, the better!!

That's why I love the incorporation of the "He-Men" legends.. and maybe the 4 mini-comics as "legends" of Wun-Dar and Karak Nul (and if so, I want to know who that Blonde Teela is... maybe the Sorceress... it's only 100 years before our current He-Man, and being the Sorceress probably makes her immortal or something).

To be honest, I would LOVE to be a creative person involved with this line. I mean, my job is Broadway actor. I can't tell you how this toyline has always appealed to my love for epic stories. MOTU is theatrical. I keep hoping that the different components of media being used to create the MOTUC mythos will maintain its epic, theatrical nature. For whatever reason, in this case, Evil-Lyn's last name just doesn't seem Eternian, and therefore seems kinda blah... I never was hugely wild about Marlena being from Earth, but it was ok, because she was a human Queen without powers or anything.

Again, sorry to be so confrontational. All of my opinions are based on what I hear, what I see, and what I can guess. They are just opinions.

I am also sorry if I called you a "hater." I don't remember writing that... I will check though. If I did, I think tone of voice is part of the problem. More like "Hatuh" as opposed to HATERRRRRR" - if that makes ANY sense. Like when we all argue over things in a friendly way, we can be snarky.

[Hek-tor]

yes, I noticed that Uki brought it to your attention.

I will, in a friendly way, remain under the impression that you might be TG (I am not being nasty or snarky... I just think it could be possible... and the comment back to Uki would have been an appropriate deflection).

I mean it's fun thinking that you are, I mean, Scott is, here under another name.

But in any case, I don't want to offend you or anyone else.

It's koo... I didn't get offended. I couldn't stop laughing.

Again, sorry to be so confrontational. All of my opinions are based on what I hear, what I see, and what I can guess. They are just opinions.

I am also sorry if I called you a "hater." I don't remember writing that... I will check though. If I did, I think tone of voice is part of the problem. More like "Hatuh" as opposed to HATERRRRRR" - if that makes ANY sense. Like when we all argue over things in a friendly way, we can be snarky.

Not prob. I've had Val delete some of my comments because they come across as something else. That's why I put smilies at the end of some of my comments.

I would like to apologies for giving you a hard time for "picking" on TG. He does get chastised for everything he does. Besides, someone has to stick up for him.

Anyways, let's get back to what this thread is about - so tell us: How do you really feel about Evil Lyn's bio?

[Darkspecter]

More like "Hatuh" as opposed to HATERRRRRR" - if that makes ANY sense.

Oh my, I laughed so hard. That made me think of

"I ain't no holla back gurl...I ain't no holla back gurl!"

Anyhow, from what I've heard of the MVC Lyn story, I really like it! Yellow Lyn = awesome too. Not too fond of the He-Ro and Grayskull being one...I would have to read that myself. I DID read a lot of the MVC comics though and loved them. I'm just missing all but 1 of the Icons and I think the last 4 issues.

I like the throwback to the original name, but I agree her name SHOULD be: Evelyn of the house of Zalesia, or something to that effect (even if they kept the three part name). I mean, even if it turns out in this continuity she isn't royalty...Evil-Lyn will always think she is. She's EVIL-LYN for crying out loud!

[Azrael]

The real name should have been Evelyn of Zalesia or Evelyn of the kingdom of Zalesia.

I have to agree. Sometimes less is better. Can't say I was expecting
Evil-Lyn to have a middle and last name, let alone names that sound
far to earthly. I don't know who's coming up with these real names,
but simplicity is key, and not all characters need or require actual
names other than the ones they already posses.

[kagamigod]

I'll stick with my theory that maybe it was her mother who was on the ship with Marlena and she is named after her Earth-born mother, Morgan Powers. The yellow skin will probably be explained as part of the poisoning from Serpos or from years of dark arts training.

[Darkspecter]

I'll stick with my theory that maybe it was her mother who was on the ship with Marlena and she is named after her Earth-born mother, Morgan Powers. The yellow skin will probably be explained as part of the poisoning from Serpos or from years of dark arts training.

Hmmm...human mother. Interesting. Could make sense. She'd be like the anti-Adam. It's growing on me.