In my mind, it works this way:
MerMan, Tri-Klops, TrapJaw, BeastMan
In my MOTU, Kobra Khan is strictly a Snake Man, ala 200X.
And Skeletor may not have affections for his evil warriors but he would realize the strategic value and skills that they bring to the table. He would use them just for practical purposes without holding them in any regard, which is why Evil Lyn would be next in line.
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i know a lot of people don't like it but the Masters of the Universe movie (which I love) showed Skeletor at his best and most powerful. That's the way Skeletor should act in new any new media. He was the absolute ruler of Snake Mountain and its forces.
It did however show his lieutenants (Evil-Lyn and Karg). People forget that to be a threat Skeletor isn't trying to take over all of Eternia with seven or eight thugs. He's got to have an army.
Same as with the good guys. He-Man, Man-At-Arms and the rest of the Masters can't do it on their own. There has to be a larger force for both sides.
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In my line of thinking the hierarchy works out this way:
Mer-man and Beast-man-Lieutenants
Everyone else are cadets
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On topic, with all joking aside, here's how I see it:
-Skeletor rules the roost
-Evil-Lyn holds an unofficial post as his second, which, due to her former romantic entanglements with Keldor, no one sees fit to question (And she could likely wipe the floor with most anyone)
-Skeletor has a Go-To group of Evil Warriors including his Henchman Numero Uno Beast Man, Tri-Klops, Trap Jaw, and Mer-Man (who usually swims off to his oceans when not needed)
-We have a second tier of regulars next who likely also live in Snake Mountain. This group includes the likes of Whiplash, Stinkor, Clawful, Faker (when activated, I like to think of him just laying around, powered down in Tri-Klops' and Trap-Jaw's shop), Two-Badd, Webstor, , Saurod, Blade, and Spikor
-Next come the specialists, who include characters like Scareglow, Ninjor, Jitsu, Blast Attack...
-Panthor and Screeech are pets. Mean, nasty, viscious pets, but pets nevertheless. Their loyalty is to Skeletor (and Evil Lyn additionally in Lyn's case, perhaps), but they'd just as soon eat most of the others.
Of course, taht's just me. All great thoughts from everyone, and this is a fun topic!
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Skeletor and Panthor- Overlord of Evil and Destruction
Evil-Lyn- 2nd in command Dark Arts Master
Beast Man- Land Commander
Mer-Man- Underwater Commander
Webstor- Exit Strategist ( Comes up with how to get out of anywhere)
Two-Bad- Inventor ( Tuvar that is)
Spikor- Armorer and Black Smith
Trap-Jaw- Weapons Specialist ( Think Evil Man-At-Arms)
Whiplash- Filmation intellegience ( Infantry)
Clawful- ^ Likewise ( Infantry)
Jitsu- Swordsman and Infantry
Stinkor- Battlefield Clearer
The Horde Hiearchy
The Elite Vanguard- Leech, Mantenna, Grizzlor, Calix
Force Captains- Catra, Entrapta, Scorpia, Octavia
Upper Level Horde- Modulok, Vultak, Dylamug, Dragstor, Mosquitor, Batros, Multi-Bot, False Face, Ratlore ( Not to be confused with Rattlor of the SnakeMen, Rather an altered Repton through Horde Science (Mostly Genetic Manipulation) and Shadow Weaver's Shadow Magic, Tongue Lashur ( See Ratlore) these two duplicate the powers of their SnakeMen namesakes perfectly.
Various Military Personnel- Assorted Generals, Admirals and so forth- Sunder, Romeo, Scurvy, Blast
Horde Troopers- Slaves from conquered worlds within the Horde Empire subjected to the Techno-Organic Virus created by Modulok and Shadow Weaver. The Techno-Organic Virus strips a person of their will basically creating a clean slate on which to imprint upon thus making Horde brainwashing much more effective and lasting. Also the Virus also augments the beings on a molecular level fusing existing metals within the body with metals from the surrounding area creating a thin metallic shell. This shell is later layered upon in Horde processing plants sealing the beings inside the typical Horde Force Armor. This varies in the process due to mass producing of different Horde Armors for different planet conditions.
Also this is how i see the Horde. Others may see it differently.
King Hsss- Supreme Ruler of the SnakeMen
Rattlor- General of the Armies of Hsss
Tongue Lasher- Chief Torturer and 2nd in command of the Armies of Hsss
Snake Face- Executioner
Squeeezzze- Dunno? Really
Kobra Kahn- Double Agent for both Skeletor and King Hsss
Blast-Attack- Suicide Bomber of the army of Hsss
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I agree with your point, but not your logic. Michelle Obama is also not Obams's second in command. For that matter, Skeletor was not elected ruler of anything, either, where Obama was.
Skeletor - Ruler of Snake Mountain and the Dark Hemisphere.
Panthor – Skeletor’s pet. Panthor is a bit of a douche, but no one screws with him because Skeletor loves him. In my mind Panthor may be the only thing besides power that Skeletor loves, which means none one on the Dark Hemisphere dares screw with him and risk Skeletor’s wrath.
Faker – Faker is essentially the hand of Skeletor. Faker has almost all the power of He-Man, but is unquestionably, almost obsessively loyal to Skeletor. He is second in command to Skeletor, but no one knows this outside of the two of them. He has the power to claim lordship of Snake Mountain and the Dark Hemisphere, and will do so in order to either save his master, or if unable to do so, ensure that his master’s campaign against Randor and He-Man is completed. As far as the other evil warriors know, Faker is Skeletor's bodyguard and one of his generals.
Evil Lyn – Skeletor’s second in command (excluding the Faker situation) Evil Lyn deals with most of the actual politics in involved in ruling the Dark Hemisphere. This is due her power, skill, and the knowledge of the hierarchy that Keldor set up before being mortally wounded in the battle with Randor and transformed into Skeletor. Keldor loved Evil Lyn deeply and most of the Dark Hemisphere assumes Skeletor does as well, which means that only the bravest of most foolish souls would attempt to openly defy or attack her. Evil Lyn’s behavior is erratic since Keldor’s transformation. Skeletor possesses all the passion to rule Eternia and destroy the House of Randor that Keldor did, and powers Keldor only imagined, and as such is so like the man Keldor was, but is completely incapable of loving another human being. This leads to a constant state of remorse, especially due to her part in Keldor’s transformation. Evil Lyn would like nothing more than to fully restore Keldor’s mind, but with every failed attempt, she grows to hate Skeletor more.
Tri-Klops – Due to his loyalty to Skeletor, which is unquestionable considering the mind control chip imbedded in his visor hardware, Tri-Klops is the general of the armies of Snake Mountain and third in the line of succession. Tri-Klops takes an increasing role in the politics of the Dark Hemipshere as Evil Lyn becomes more entwined with other matters…Additionally, Tri-Klops is the tech guy for Snake Mountain, though he is not as brilliant at Man-at-Arms.
Beastman- Beastman is the unofficial chief Henchman of Skeletor. Skeletor knows that Beastman craves power, and would overthrow him in a moment if he could, but he also knows that Beastman is not intelligent or powerful enough to ever succeed, and therefore harmless. He also knows that this same lust for power means that Beastman will not risk Skeletor’s wrath for anything shorto f replacing him and is thusly a motivated and reliable go-to guy. Additionally Beastman is the Warlord of the Vine Jungle region and keeper of Skeletor’s bestiary.
Mer-Man – Merman is the Warlord of the Sea of Rakash. He is a competent warrior in his own right, and supplies Skeletor with troops when needed. In exchange for this Skeletor lets him rule the sea and it is known that to stack Mer-Man’s court is to attack Snake Mountain itself.
Trap-Jaw – Skeletor’s weapon’s expert and an assistant to Tri-Klops. Trap Jaw is occasionally allowed to pursue freelance work as well. Kronos was Keldor’s chief Lieutenant, and second only to Evil Lyn in the hierarchy (which explains why he was able to so easily rally the army to oppose Skeletor, due to his knowledge of the different armies in the Dark Hemisphere) After he challenged Skeletor’s rule and was subsequently defeated and left for dead. Tri-Klops rebuilt him as Trap Jaw. Since that moment Trap-Jaw has hated Skeletor and is quietly planning his revenge. He will never be successful however because he is not aware of Tri-Klop’s unyielding loyalty to Skeletor, nor the own limitations that Ti-Klops built into him under Skeletor’ orders. These limitations make Trap Jaw unable to mortally harm Skeletor, and limit his courage and intelligence. Skeletor found the irony of this irresistible, seeing as Trap-Jaw accused him of being less of a man than Keldor.
Stinkor – Stinkor is the Medical officer in Snake Mountain. Stinkor lacks the lust for battle that most of Skeletor’s warriors have, but he views them as his friends and in a strange way his family. Stinkor is the kind of guy who would have been on the side of the angels except for the fact that Skeletor got to him first.
Webstor, Clawful, and Whiplash are mostly freelancers. They are Skeletor’s warriors, which grant them great prestige, and in return they will not take on projects that conflict with his interest.
Kobra Kahn - Skeletor’s spy in the Snake Men.
Jitsu is also a freelancer, but more driven and competent than the above three. Jitsu ruled over a kingdom near the Dark Hemisphere as a tyrant, and was overthrown by his people with the help of King Randor. Jitsu hopes to prove his worth to Skeletor and then enter into an alliance with him as one os Skeletor’s warlords in order to regain his lost kingdom.
I haven’t fully developed my ideas for the other evil warrior characters.
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I think it goes like this.
Beast Man is third but nobody really takes him seriously.
Clawful and Mer-Man seems to have ranks as well, perhaps thier equals.
Everyone else follows after that.
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I see Zodac is being evil so he's 2nd in command outranking Evil Lyn.
Skeletor and Evil Lyn as #1 and 2, of course.
After that, the gang will pretty much dissolve into total anarchy. However, Beast Man would probably be a natural third in command, because of his brute strength and his length of tenure, which is how it works in a lot of situations.
The 200X Tri Klops would be too nerdish to be an effective leader, whereas the classic Tri Klops seemed less intelligent than Beast Man. Mer Man is to the Evil Warriors what Aquaman was to the Superfriends, so no on him too.
Once you got down to the fourth in command, I think Eternia's pretty much saved and the Evil Warriors are toast.
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I have to chime in that Skeletor's group is really a gang and no real hierarchy to speak off. Without him, they would pretty much be at each other's throats. Evil-lynn might be able to take over in Skeletor's absence but she would have a hard time keeping the group in line.
She would have to be constantly beating them down to get them to do her will. She is powerful, but she doesn't have that intimidating evil fear factor that keeps Skeletor in charge.
Without Skeletor, the group would fall apart.
The Horde and Snakemen on the other hand are more organized. The Horde has a military order and they do have a ranking system with Hordak being on top. The Snakemen have a royal hierarchy with King Hiss in charge but a series of generals in command.
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Skeletor - Leader
Evil Lyn - Expert in Magic
Tryklops - Expert in Hi-Tech
4 Lords that controls certain territories:
Beast-Man - Forests
Mer-Man - Seas
Draego-Man - Skyes
Whiplash - Underground
Spykor - Weapons
Trap-Jaw - Vehicles
Two Bad - Skeletorīs Bodyguard
All the other Evil Masters are used as agents according their powers.
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Evil Lyn is the number two obviously.
Then probably Tri-Klops for sheer intelligence and skill.
I'd put Whiplash at number three.
Whiplash was highly intelligent, capable, and cunning in Filmation. He went to an alien dimension, set up (or took over) a fortress and had the Kroom army at his disposal. He also manipulated the internal politics and dynamics of the Crimson Counsel (I think that's what it was called). That's no small feat considering how powerful Trollans are supposed to be.
He also had ambition since he was trying to learn magic in an attempt to become more powerful and useful to Skeletor.
I'd then put Scareglow at number four. Scareglow never seemed to strike me as an idiot. Plus he has his power and magic.
After that it doesn't matter.
I also don't think Beastman really has a rank. He's Skeletor's bodyguard and number one servant. That's his rank.
Was'nt Clawful described as Skeletor's "right hand man" in the Filmation cartoon? Maybe this was a play on his large right claw, which he obviously didn't have in the toon though?
I see a tyrannical-anarchy (with no mind-controlling spells or tech - these concepts don't make much sense to me)
Skeletor - the tyrant with unquestioned power. Rules by force & fear (which doesn't stop some from being loyal)
Most powerful seconds:
Scareglow (the astral double or "ghost of Skeletor" - an aspect of his being, or perhaps relic of his being from the future)
Faker (almost equal to He-Man! a creation used with powerful magics Skeletor stole from Castle Greyskull - the dark mirror of He-Man)
Then, everyone else:
Skeletor assigns tasks depending on usefulness, no ranking system - the rest of his allies struggle against each other. However, if unified, they could over-power him. Punishments/banishment/death may be meted out for failure.
Got to say I love this topic.
I see the Evil Warriors much like Marvels Hellfire club with an inner circle and an outer circle
Skeletor being the very middle
Inner circle wound be Evil Lyn. Beastman, Tri-Klops, Trapjaw & Merman
Middle Circle would basically be everyone else from Faker to Fangman
Outer circle - Skeleton Warriors, Skelcons, Mutant Warriors & Robot Droids.
The Cool thing about Skeletors Evil Warriors (which need a logo) they all have a purpose or attributes.
Evil-Lyn - Magics
Beast-Man - Control of all beasts (except dragons)
Mer-Man - Control of all sea creatures
Tri-Klops - Technology and Swordsman
Trap-Jaw - As Kronis a powerful warrior who could rally armies (i see him at the bottom of the inner circle as Trapjaw)
Faker - Warrior & Muscle (possible spy duties, until rubbled)
Whiplash - Warrior & knowledge of Sub-Eternia
Clawful - Warrior, turned general and access to other crabs guys
Webstor - more of a lone wolf but always on hand & exit strategist
Two-Bad (Tuvar & Baddrah) - warrior(s) & trained bounty hunters
Stinkor - Warrior & Master of Stink
Jitsu - Martial Arts & Horseman
Spikor - Blacksmith and Weapons Maker
Ninjor - Martial Arts
Scare Glow - Master of Fear
Icer - Agent of the North (Eternias Arctic regions)
Fang Man - Warrior and control of lesser dragons ie dragonsaurs and others
Strongarm - Warrior & Powerhouse
Blade -Warrior, Master swordman & Bounty hunter
Draego-Man - Master of Fire
Goat Man - Subordinate to Beast Man/Snake Mountain Jailer
I left out Panthor & Screeech as they're pets. I also left out Saurod because i think he fits in better with the Space Mutants and Blast-Attack as I see him as the Snakemens android trooper.
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All of this must have made a big impression on me as a kid, because I grew up thinking that Clawful was a pretty big deal. I was shocked in 2002 when Clawful was suddenly portrayed as a useless idiot, because it was such a drastic change from the way I always pictured him, and still do. I'm very glad that his MOTUC bio has him leading the Skeleton Warriors.
In my hierarchy, Evil Lyn & Clawful are constantly competing with each other and secretly competing with Skeletor. Beastman is actually the one closest to Skeletor, with Mer-Man, Trap Jaw and Tri-Klops rounding out the inner circle. After that it would be Whiplash and everyone else.
I see them as a dysfunctional slacker family really, but I'm basing this just on filmation as that's the quintessential version for me.
Evil Lyn is to my way of thinking, the most intelligent and most powerful. Only reason why she's not number one is she lets Skeletor get all the credit and puts up with his constant failures. No one quite understands why she's letting this loser hold her back, as he'd be nothing without her. Daddy issues probably. Someday she'll fly away, she says.
Skeletor is number two though he of course thinks he's number one. I imagine him as being a bit like Butthead or Chris Ware's Rusty Brown, he's the bullying alpha nerd who has to surround himself with kids even more socially challenged then himself to feel any modicum of self worth. Skeletor is all about Danzig until Beast Man gets a Danzig shirt too, then everybody knows Danzig's just a Hobbit Elvis impersonator who's nothing without the misfits, at least according to Skeletor's myspace blog. It can't be easy looking in the mirror, so I don't hold it against him. But without Evil Lyn he'd be nothing. Think Vincent Gallo's character in Buffalo 66.
Panthor's Skelly's pet, and the only one who appreciates his "inner beauty".
Then there's the kids who don't have any other friends and can't get along with their moms so they live at snake mountain and put up with his abuse. Foremost are Beast Man and Trap Jaw. Tri Klops just doesn't have any other place to go and so he's always crashing on the couch and lets Skeletor beat him at Super Nintendo to keep that free rent status ongoing.
Mer-Man's got his own crib away from Snake Mountain, and trying to get a personal brand going with his own crew. Not really sure enough of himself yet to stand up to Skeletor and tell him he's a barefoot wannabe hipster that nobody really likes. He's working on it, but Skeletor keeps making him feel replaceable by steady hanging out with that other fishy kid named Clawful, and that gets MerMan kind of shook. Baby steps.
The rest of the dudes like Spikor, Two Bad, Webstor and Whiplash hang out there when they're not serving time for petty vandalism and sky sled theft. Kobra Khan just hangs out so he can use the gym equipment.
Cartoons aside b/c we've seen how some baddies are portrayed as bumbling fools. So if we were serious about the roles these characters have. They're all intelligent, crafty, & all have certain strengths they possess in my mind.
Kronis(The General)-If he didn't decide to try & overtake Skeletor. He had people listening & willing to fight for him. Came up a little short.
Beast Man-Yeah, believe it. Highly underrated & w/ Skelly from beginning.
Evil Lyn-She wants the Power. But at what cost? Can she be trusted??
Tri Klops- Very intelligent. Don't know if he has the guile to achieve.
Trap Jaw-He obviously lost points. But, in essence he's a commander & leader. He's not scared to make the tough decisions.
Mer-Man- He's got what it takes underwater as a leader. But, does he have enough to lead both water & land?