Is Shadow Weaver Possible?

**Rey Hiss** · February 20, 2010, 10:34pm

If this image made possible the figure MOTUC of Adora (1),
then the following thing can make real, among other things to Shadow Weaver.
(1)

**This is a card game that I have of when i was 8 years old.

**Underling** · February 20, 2010, 10:38pm

Is that the image that allowed Mattel to create Adora?

**PaTrIcKfOgArTy** · February 20, 2010, 10:41pm

It's been said many times Shadow Weaver is not possible by Mattel at this time. Is this art something new that it's possible they've never seen before? If so, that would be interesting.

Needless to say, looking at this art made me realize, EVEN if she came and was done in this style, she'd have almost no articulation (arms and head only) due to her costume. Not that I would mind, but it never occurred to me before..

**Darkspecter** · February 20, 2010, 10:45pm

Originally Posted by Underling

Is that the image that allowed Mattel to create Adora?

Yes it is.

Those images are from cards made in Argentina. I don't believe the images of Shadow Weaver, Madame Razz and Broom and the Twigetts are in the Styleguide.

There may be more licensing kits/Styleguides not online, but they are not in this:

http://www.grayskullmuseum.com/pop/l...ngpopindex.htm

I would love all the characters if they are possible though!

**Rey Hiss** · February 20, 2010, 10:47pm

This said to me.Thanks to this image, there was no problem with Filmation.

**hordedestiny** · February 20, 2010, 10:48pm

Couple of questions.
1. Where would you find a set of these cards?
2.Was there He-man set similar to this one?
3.Is there an online place to get the larrger images of these same versions?

**Underling** · February 20, 2010, 10:53pm

Originally Posted by Darkspecter

Yes it is.

Those images are from cards made in Argentina. I don't believe the images of Shadow Weaver, Madame Razz and Broom and the Twigetts are in the Styleguide.

There may be more licensing kits/Styleguides not online, but they are not in this:

http://www.grayskullmuseum.com/pop/l...ngpopindex.htm

I would love all the characters if they are possible though!

Well I do love Shadow Weaver, so here's hoping this helps us get her. Based on previous conversations I somehow doubt it. But I'm still keeping my fingers crossed!

**Rey Hiss** · February 20, 2010, 10:57pm

Hordedestiny:
1-This set of cards was made and commercialized in Argentina
2-Lamentably not
3-I do not know

**Adam_Portugal** · February 20, 2010, 10:58pm

I Have that Argentinian Cards!

I think the Argentinias mixed images from diferent sources to produce that Card game, because I also have a little book with all the original styleguid art and there is no shadow wever in ther nor maddam razz

**Marvelous0ne** · February 20, 2010, 11:03pm

But Mattel has stated over and over that they do not have the right to Filmation created characters. This includes Shadow Weaver! I'm sure if there was a way for them to get around this without having to get the rights to MOTU & POP Filmation rights. They would have done so. Where's Emiliano? The man with the knowledge of these things?

**Rey Hiss** · February 20, 2010, 11:05pm

The key is that according to the company that make the cards, Cromy, the card game is of Mattel

**Opticon** · February 20, 2010, 11:10pm

Looking at all those pictures makes me realize we definitely need a skinnier (less amazon) She-ra figure.

**blackiecats** · February 20, 2010, 11:30pm

The Adora image is taken from the Mattel Licensing guide

which Mattel own outright. That card game would have been licensed by Filmation and Mattel in the 80's.

The difference is ones an official Mattel produced document and the other is one of many licensed consumer products from the 80's.

**sKareGlo** · February 20, 2010, 11:59pm

Originally Posted by PaTrIcKfOgArTy

Needless to say, looking at this art made me realize, EVEN if she came and was done in this style, she'd have almost no articulation (arms and head only) due to her costume. Not that I would mind, but it never occurred to me before..

I'd be perfectly fine with a Shadow Weaver without articulation. I just want the figure so bad it's killing me.

**Kevenn** · February 21, 2010, 12:43am

I think the Shadow Weaver and Madame Razz and Twigget images are from a different source than the Mattel Style Guide. The art style is different for those than the rest of the Style Guide, and Swift Wind is the Filmation version in the Shadow Weaver card, and the colors are completely inconsistent with the colors Swift Wind is depicted in multiple times in the other cards.

**Mr. Prozac** · February 21, 2010, 12:52am

A quick question while we're on the topic of POP/MOTUC.

Would they be able to produce a Catra figure with her panther alter ego packaged as an accessory? I'm guessing the cat image is property of Filmation?

**Darkspecter** · February 21, 2010, 01:39am

Originally Posted by Mr. Prozac

A quick question while we're on the topic of POP/MOTUC.

Would they be able to produce a Catra figure with her panther alter ego packaged as an accessory? I'm guessing the cat image is property of Filmation?

You are correct...unless Mattel has inside documents the public isn't aware of at the moment.

The can make a black cat though! Catra transformed into that in the mini-comics!

**Reboot** · February 21, 2010, 01:45am

Originally Posted by Mr. Prozac

Would they be able to produce a Catra figure with her panther alter ego packaged as an accessory?

Regardless of whether they can do Magicat-Catra or not, there's no chance they'd pack something that size as an accessory. If they were to do it then, like Cringer, it would count as a figure by itself.

**King Tycho** · February 21, 2010, 01:51am

If they release Catra as a two pack, Human form and cat form, I would snap that up!

**Adam_Prince of Eternia** · February 21, 2010, 01:55am

Originally Posted by Marvelous0ne

But Mattel has stated over and over that they do not have the right to Filmation created characters. This includes Shadow Weaver! I'm sure if there was a way for them to get around this without having to get the rights to MOTU & POP Filmation rights. They would have done so. Where's Emiliano? The man with the knowledge of these things?

The copyright notice on the Princess of Power playing cards only denotes that the playing cards contain characters that are based on the intellectual property of Mattel. It does not follow from this that Mattel is the rights holder to all of the materials therein.

Each entity maintains the rights to the intellectual property it brings to the work, i.e. Mattel holds the rights to its characters and trade dress in the playing cards, and FILMation holds the rights to its characters and trade dress in the playing cards.

The inclusion of Shadow Weaver in the set does not change that FILMation is the author of the character, and not Mattel.

Aside from negotiating the rights to the character, demonstrative proof of authorship, which would not include licensing guides or licensed products, is the only way the character would be available.

**GrtEternal** · February 21, 2010, 02:02am

Originally Posted by hordedestiny

Couple of questions.
1. Where would you find a set of these cards?
2.Was there He-man set similar to this one?
3.Is there an online place to get the larrger images of these same versions?

1) Argentina as mentioned. Got mine off eBay a while back.

2) There are 2 sets of He-man MOTU card game like this. Unfortunatley it's lacking in the art department. The artworks that's in the card looks like it was rushly made, but it's nice to have anyways.

3) No idea.

**Adam_Prince of Eternia** · February 21, 2010, 02:03am

Originally Posted by Reboot

Regardless of whether they can do Magicat-Catra or not, there's no chance they'd pack something that size as an accessory. If they were to do it then, like Cringer, it would count as a figure by itself.

As a child, I viewed Clawdeen as the feline form of Catra.

**synthalus** · February 21, 2010, 04:59am

I believe Shadow Weaver can be made and Mattel has the rights to her.
This card set only confirms it even more for me!

My reason behind this is because of the powerpoint presentation shown at Matty's panel at Wizard World Philadelphia in June 2009:

http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/....php?p=2174017

**Spectror** · February 21, 2010, 05:34am

Well, I still hope that we'll get a Shadow Weaver !

Anyway, I have to congratulate my fellow fans who searched for ALL sources (even the most obscure ones, like this Argentinian card game) that could prove Mattel actually has the rights to make Shadow Weaver...

About Shadow Weaver articulations : she could be quite articulated ! Emiliano came with a clever design for her that would alllow her to sit down...

It's not the first time that we get Mattel material containing some Filmation characters... which makes me wonder : is Mattel actually entitled to produce some Filmation figures ?

I guess we'll have to wait what the future holds to answer that question. Hopefully, Mattel will buy the Filmation rights...

**Scorpia** · February 21, 2010, 05:35am

We don't know for sure, but it's worth pointing the cards out to Mattel for their information.

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