Roast Gooble Dinner - Episode 003 Discussion!

[Tuukka]

So if your comments are going to be insults like this, where you compare parts of our podcasts to nonsense or trivial talk, a free podcast that's presented as an entertainment option, then please don't comment.

Wow.. sorry didn't mean to insult your podcast.. just hit my comment of the this weeks show. I really like this "new thing". I need to phrase my words better next time. or not comment :P

[JVS3]

We'll chalk this one up to the Finnish-to-English component.
(the eye-roll really set the negative tone)

[Tuukka]

Oh I didn't mean that the podcast is "nonsence".. I just used that funny gooble word for my comment to say that the beginning was (my point of view) a little light or not that interesting.

[JVS3]

I'd go into the podcast expecting the first 10 or 20 minutes to be us doing a quick warm-up,
then listener voicemail to which we'll reply to, comment on, etc,
followed by any notices we have to get out of the way (this week was the explanation of terms).

Then after that, it's our discussion, which is generally 30 minutes to an hour.

Then an interview, if we have one, that's around 30 minutes (or more if they person being interviewed wants to keep going).

[Mike Bock]

Lovin' the podcast guys!! I think I am gonna call and leave a voice mail. There's something I'd like to ask you and listen to your opinions on the subject.

[JVS3]

Please call!

General note to everyone calling:
please keep it clean,
and try to keep it under a minute long.
Thanks!!!

[Mr. Shokoti]

Please call!

General note to everyone calling:
please keep it clean,
and try to keep it under a minute long.
Thanks!!!

I'm curious. Have you had to edit out any "adult" language on the podcast yet? I'm able to keep it G-rated around mixed company but I'm always worried my somewhat "salty" vocabulary will slip out. At least Emiliano could swear in Italian and, unless the rest of the Gooble crew is multilingual, no one would be the wiser.

[MegaGearMax]

I've gotta leave a voice mail for the next one.

Warning: It'll be about my thoughts on King Grayskull.

[Benedict Judas Hel]

General note to everyone calling:
please keep it clean...
Thanks!!!

I'll be sure to shower beforehand...

[JVS3]

I'm curious. Have you had to edit out any "adult" language on the podcast yet?

Well, me. I've had to edit out my own adult language when I screw up something I'm trying to say because I'm a stuttering mess.

I edit out lots of pauses, some distinct "uhhhhs", and a few screw-ups (mostly me).
...which is another reason we could never do this as video.

But all the voicemails have been good, for which I'm very grateful!

I'll be sure to shower beforehand...

*ba dump, chhh!*
Benedict Judas Hell, ladies and gentlemen!
Appearing twice a day here at the He-Man.org Grand Casino!

[Mr. Shokoti]

Having just listened to the podcast, I agree with the 3 of you in disliking the 2002 sword. I also don't like the technovest either. While the theory given in the voivemail is sound, it makes me wonder, why does He-Man still have a secret identity if he's charging into battle in a vest and "souped up" electronic sword? Wouldn't that make his family targets almost as much as if villains knew he was He-Man?

I loved the Earl Norem interview. I'm also happy Eamon mentioned his site. I've never seen that wrapping paper before. It's an odd selection of characters but it is really great!

[Larry Waters]

Okay, I just listened.

Well...I liked the interview, but didn't like the interview.

Here's the thing...with a property like MOTU, the interviewee loses some of the interest factor when he can't remember much about the property.

Don't get me wrong, it was interesting hearing about him and how he came to be an artist on the original line, but it's just not as pertinent when he can't give us cool "behind the scenes" stories from those early days.

I know you guys can only give us what you have to work with, so its no reflection on you...just not the best interview subject.

I did, however, LOVE the initial 30 minutes!

[JVS3]

We have to be logical about that sort of thing.

There's really nothing Mr. Norem can tell us in terms of MOTU lore.
He was a painter. They gave him reference and direction, and he made cool images out of it.
That's about the sum of it.
So his strengths are talking about art, and his technique, etc.

You're going to get similar stories from Rudy Obrero and William George.
They didn't create the back story of MOTU. They just brought the images to life based on the instruction given to them.

The only other thing they can give you is behind-the-scenes dirt (what is was like to work with someone, etc) not related to the actual creative elements of MOTU. But few creators will do that because of professional ethics.

It's like voice actors for the original Filmation cartoon.
A lot of fans think it would be cool to interview them, and learn lots of factoids, but they were actors reading a script.
They didn't create the back story, etc, so they can't provide us any brand history, etc.
So that's part of the reason why they weren't on the documentaries for the cartoon DVDs.

Regardless, the things these creators like Mr. Norem do talk about are fascinating IMO.
It's not for everyone, but I thoroughly loved hearing about Mr. Norem's career and his artistic background.

[Larry Waters]

Don't get me wrong...I didn't NOT appreciate it. I did.

I guess I simply had different expectations going in. Like maybe he could have been privy to story meetings, etc. You know, seeing the MOTU Universe fleshed out while still in its infancy.

But like you said, he was simply given direction.

I suppose all this time I've imagined a big creative team collaborating back in 82 the way you guys did in 2002. My own misconceptions.

At any rate, I AM looking forward to hearing from Obrero, et al.

[Mr. Shokoti]

Does the "Gooble Gang" already have the interview with Lou Scheimer ready to go or has it not taken place yet?

If it hasn't happened yet, I hope you guys bring up the subjects of Stinkor(that it's been said that Filmation did not want to use him and if there were more cases like that) and Filmation's idea for the never made He-Ro:Son of He-man cartoon.

Also, have you ever thought about interviewng former MOTU writer J. Michael Straczynski?

[bskcase]

I did like the discussion with Earl Norem and the magazines. I was one of the lucky ones that managed to get a first issue of the MOTU mag and I fell in love with the Earl Norem poster of He-man raising his sword in front of Castle Grayskull.

I agree that Earl Norem is one of the last great artist. I would love to see Earl Norem working back on MOTU.

The funny things I remember with the magazines was that often shared articles with other toy publishers. I remember reading the same articles about Alf and Lucas in GIJOE magazine and then reading it again in MOTU magazine.

Good interview with Earl Norem.

[JVS3]

Does the "Gooble Gang" already have the interview with Lou Scheimer ready to go or has it not taken place yet?

If it hasn't happened yet, I hope you guys bring up the subjects of Stinkor(that it's been said that Filmation did not want to use him and if there were more cases like that) and Filmation's idea for the never made He-Ro:Son of He-man cartoon.

If you want, and this goes for everyone, you can e-mail us any questions you want us to ask at
gooble at he-man.org
No guarantees we'll ask them, but I'll make a "cheat sheet" and try to squeeze in as many as I can if opportunity allows.

Also, have you ever thought about interviewng former MOTU writer J. Michael Straczynski?

Yep!
That one may not happen. But we'll see.

The funny things I remember with the magazines was that often shared articles with other toy publishers. I remember reading the same articles about Alf and Lucas in GIJOE magazine and then reading it again in MOTU magazine.

No kidding?
I had no idea!
So, they would just recycle various 80's based articles throughout all their fan magazines?

[HordeFan]

A great podcast, thank you!

I have no problem with the techno sword. For some reason it never bugged me. I am a vintage collector and I just thought it was a neat new take on the lore.

Someone mentioned there is a web site for Mr. Norem? Do we have a link for that? I would love to see all his artwork.

[Count Marzo]

Someone mentioned there is a web site for Mr. Norem? Do we have a link for that? I would love to see all his artwork.

http://www.earlnorem.com/

I actually stumbled upon it before the podcast was up because I was looking for all of his MOTU Masterpieces to refresh my memory.

Awesome episode by the way, guys. I really enjoyed the break from the bios and the interview with a great, talented artist! I have a lot more I'd like to say about this episode too, but I have to save that for later since there are a lot of things I want to comment on. Oh and I still really need to call in and leave a voice mail!

[SkeleChris]

The Earl Norem segment was highly entertaining!
Thanks so much. Keep up the good work! You guys help pass the time at work with your insights and opinions.
Can't wait for episode 4!

[PaulPjas]

Another awesome show guys, really enjoyed listening to it. I hadn't seen the magazines in question I don't think we gotthem here but i loved how enthusiastic you guys were about describing your memories of them.

Loved what you said about the whole collecting thing too and how we should be proud of what we like etc. Totally agree with all those points.

Who knows I may have to call in myself (if you can handle my Brit accent ) and leave one of these voicemails

Looking forward to the next show already.

[MegaGearMax]

I obviously didn't have a problem with the techno sword because it was one of the first very obvious signs that showed that MOTUC included 200X.

I was hoping that Adam basically transformed into 200X He-Man for awhile to fight Skeletor before he joined the halves of the Power Sword and became Classic He-Man. Although he's still very powerful, 200X (MYP) He-Man has been referenced by fans as being weaker than Classic (Filmation) He-Man. I really hoped that this would have made it into the new canon.

Unlike Toyguru, I see He-Man's 200X look in Classics as just another costume that he's worn during his career (the figure in the middle), not an outright new stylistic design like in the figure to the left. It's akin to calling He-Man's New Adventure look a stylistic change (and it was), so it can't be made.

[bskcase]

I really like how that He-man looks with the 200X gear, but I still prefer more vintage than the 200X line.

I think the Mattel guys are keeping a good job with the vintage vs 200X. Look at Whiplash. He's coming with a vintage and 200X head. You, the consumer, decides how you want Whiplash to look like.

The only real figure I think the 200X did justice for was Evil-Lyn. She looked good being pale and in purple.

I wasn't crazy with the addition of the techno sword either. I would have preferred a new weapon or blaster for Man-At-Arms instead of that sword.

[MegaGearMax]

I really like how that He-man looks with the 200X gear, but I still prefer more vintage than the 200X line.

I think the Mattel guys are keeping a good job with the vintage vs 200X. Look at Whiplash. He's coming with a vintage and 200X head. You, the consumer, decides how you want Whiplash to look like.

The only real figure I think the 200X did justice for was Evil-Lyn. She looked good being pale and in purple.

I wasn't crazy with the addition of the techno sword either. I would have preferred a new weapon or blaster for Man-At-Arms instead of that sword.

Hopefully we can piece together a 200X He-Man using the upcoming King Grayskull re-deco, the 200X harness and the 200X sword.

I'd assume MAA's 200X BFG would come with Dekker.

[Penny Dreadful]

Another great show! I really enjoyed the interview with the legendary Earl Norem. He sounds like such a jovial guy too. Good stuff. I used to have that Spydor poster from the mag up on my wall!