Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 689

Thread: MOTUC Octavia Discussion Thread

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Heroic Warrior Emiliano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Palermo, Italy
    Posts
    6,267

    MOTUC Octavia Discussion Thread

    I've noticed there was a 4 pages thread on Mattycollector about the possibility of including Octavia in the MOTUC line and I've also read Scott's answer to fan's question in the other thread about it.

    Lot of fans quoted my research and theories about the subject.
    But, I ask that you don't use my theories and research to challenge Mattel.
    I only post it for historical entertainment.
    Only Mattel knows the Legal status of past and present characters.
    I am certain Mattel wants these characters too. We must trust them to handle character rights on their own.

    Copyrights issue are a complicated matter.
    A piece of paper with info about who first drew a character does not tell us the whole story.
    We do not know the contracts Mattel has/had with other companies.
    So we can only speculate only on the origins of this art.

    MOTU is an almost 30 years old property. Lot of the original art is all over the place, and it may happens that, from time to time, fans or collectors came across images or informations people currently at Mattel don't have or haven't seen before (for example the Gygor prototype).
    When we find this art, the best we can do is post it and hope it is maybe helpful to Mattel.
    But only Mattel know if these images add valuable info to the rights status of certain characters. And we have to wait and see if they do. They are not obligated to tell us these things.

    Here are my historical design theories, all in once place for your entertainment.

    First, there is the Filmation Model Sheet AlessandraF posted on Matty's forum.
    Model Sheet are the characters model turnarounds used as reference by the animators during the production of a cartoon.
    The one posted by Alessandra is the final model sheet for the character and not a simple sketch.
    It's taken from the POP series Villains Models Compilations (but she also appears in the single episodes model packs as well)
    Octavia's Model Sheet design was added to POP in 1985.
    As noted, it's labeled "Mattel Toy."

    It seems that almost every character (or vehicles) in the POP series that were labeled "Mattel Toy" on the Model Sheets were characters that originated at Mattel as toys that Mattel specifically requested to incorporate in the cartoon.
    You can see the same label on many other model sheets, like the Star Sister, Sea Harp, Netossa, almost all wave 2 characters, Colonel Blast (Rio Blast), Snout Spout, Tung Lashor, etc.
    My theory is that Octavia was probably another toy in development at Mattel that was pitched to Filmation.
    But again, this proves nothing about ownership and rights!

    You won't find the same "Mattel Toy" label on the POP main cast model sheets (including the Evil Horde). Those appear to be developed by Filmation or by Filmation in conjunction with Mattel. My own belief is the creation of those particular characters is what probably is behind the complicated POP characters rights's situation we heard about many years ago when BCI was working with both ER and Mattel.

    Let's talk about the toy design for Octavia.
    I can't show you the art as it is in a private collection that I have been lucky enough to see.
    But I can describe it to you.
    It's important to keep in mind this is a MOTU figure design, not a POP one - it was developed to be included in the MOTU action figure line.
    The original pencil drawing by Ted Mayer, "Octopus Woman" is dated June the 7th, 1984.
    It's definitely a female horde member: she has the horde insignia on her chest, her legs and on the band on her left arm. She has a simple outfit, with a large belt and some sort of wide sleeves. She has 6 short tentacles in total (3 for each side), and black, short hairs.
    While certain details doesn't match the final Filmation model sheet design, she looks like a preliminary version of Octavia.

    The color rendering of her toy design has even more differences from the Filmation model.
    It's the same pencil sketch, photocopied and pasted on a colored board, then rendered with what appears to be inks. She has purple skin, but the tentacles are green while her dress is blue. The date is 7-10-1984.
    She's part of a large number of similar designs for produced and unproduced characters by Mattel.

    My hopes are maybe we could get a toy version of the toy design done at Mattel on June 7th, 1984.
    The coloring and details may have been different from the Filmation one, and she may have to have a different name. But, in spirit, she would still be "Octavia"

    Going back to the subject of this thread, Scott's response about Octavia ownership was:
    Although this sheet is labeled "Mattel toy" Octavia was a Filmation character and we do not have access to her at this time
    You all know that I think she may have been originated at Mattel, but of course this doesn't mean they have rights to produce a MOTU figure of her.
    Please do not misinterpret my historical theories on where designs were created to have anything to do with ownership and rights! They are not the same!!! Thanks.

  2. #2
    Illumina & Cat please! Darkspecter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    14,957
    Very fascinating! I'm 100% of the opinion that Mattel created her wanting another Horde Female they could make into a toy.

    Let's look at the PoP villains made into toys:

    - Catra
    - Entrapta

    Doesn't seem like much for She-Ra and the Rebellion to fight to free Etheria!
    Take part in Illumina Day! Let people know who she is and help get her in MOTUC.

    http://motuc-illumina.proboards.com/...cgi?board=talk

    You can join the Illumina Facebook page here!

    https://www.facebook.com/Illumina.Sleetah

  3. #3
    Heroic Master of Sleep Lay Ze-Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    6,195
    Let's hope that we get a glimpse of that art some time in the future.

    I don't understand why someone would own that art and not immediately want to show it off to their fellow MotU fans.

  4. #4
    Heroic Warrior Emiliano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Palermo, Italy
    Posts
    6,267
    Quote Originally Posted by Lay Ze-Man View Post
    I don't understand why someone would own that art and not immediately want to show it off to their fellow MotU fans.
    There are many reasons.
    But, you can rest assured none of us want to keep them from the fans.
    I'm sure it'll be shown eventually.

  5. #5
    Heroic Master of Sleep Lay Ze-Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Posts
    6,195
    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    There are many reasons.
    No access to a scanner?

    I keed, I keed.

    Looking forward to it surfacing eventually, it's just a bit annoying to read about all of this stuff that people have and we have to wait to see it all. Boo!

  6. #6
    Heroic Warrior SAMURAI36's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Chicago (The Actual City)
    Posts
    963
    Can someone post a link to this Matty thread in question? I'd really like to read it.

    EDIT: Never mind, I read it. Yikes.
    Last edited by SAMURAI36; June 7, 2010 at 06:40pm.
    200X Power Sword, 200X Toon, 200X Continuity.... Yeah, it's all about 200X!!

  7. #7
    Heroic Warrior
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Bremerton, WA
    Posts
    1,669
    Could always do what Marvel did back in the late '90's for some odd reason and instead of having Dr Octopus around they used a chick with a different look and his gear. Her name was Lady Octopus.
    Good Traders:
    fbiagentcooper, The_Donster, Captain Miro, Satonic, grimghost, robb

  8. #8
    Heroic Warrior SnakeTeela's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    711
    Octavia is definitely one of my most wanted figures...I've been wanting a toy of her since I was a little boy (same for Shadow Weaver and Scorpia). I hope the filmation rights are eventually required and we can get a proper Octavia figure but the figure design you described sounds awesome enough to deserve its own figure too...especially since it seems so drastically different from the cartoon design. I would love them both in my MOTUC Horde.

  9. #9
    Council Elder Tallstar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    In support of Joe Amato & the Meteorbs
    Posts
    27,861
    Awwww man. I wish we could see this "Octopus Woman" toy design.

  10. #10
    Heroic Warrior Emiliano's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2000
    Location
    Palermo, Italy
    Posts
    6,267
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallstar View Post
    Awwww man. I wish we could see this "Octopus Woman" toy design.
    I'm sure you will

  11. #11
    Heroic Warrior radrcks's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    2,003
    Quote Originally Posted by SnakeTeela View Post
    Octavia is definitely one of my most wanted figures...I've been wanting a toy of her since I was a little boy (same for Shadow Weaver and Scorpia). I hope the filmation rights are eventually required and we can get a proper Octavia figure but the figure design you described sounds awesome enough to deserve its own figure too...especially since it seems so drastically different from the cartoon design. I would love them both in my MOTUC Horde.
    Me too.

    I do want a proper Octavia (I love my custom but I hate it too lol) I kind of want a version based off of the figure design described.

    I wonder if we could get a 'generic' female counterpart to Merman in Classics that we could use as an unofficial Octavia.
    Check out me and my friend's blog: Geek Culture

  12. #12
    Heroic Master of 200X MegaGearMax's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Camden, NJ
    Posts
    19,507
    I was watching Secret of the Sword the other night and noticed all of the female Horde Members--Shadow Weaver, Scorpia, Catra and Octavia (even though she wasn't in it), which are a big chunk of Hordak's warriors.

    How come the POP line is so hero heavy? Girls didn't like to play with ugly female bad guys?

    The Blonde Teela (Battleground and Alcala Teela) Thread
    The Cloak and Dagger Evil-Lyn (The Real 200X Evil-Lyn) Thread
    MegaGearMax's 200X/MYP Screen Grabs

    Sagitar • Cloak and Dagger Evil-Lyn • 200X Prince Adam • 200X Sorceress
    Sssqueeze • Angella • Perfuma • Evilseed (MYP)

  13. #13
    Do it right or not at all Reboot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    2,709
    Now she's indisputably available (time for a thread rename?), how many want the character who came a surprise third, beaten only by Shadow Weaver and Scorpia, in Offlimits 90-to-1?

  14. #14
    HeroicUniter PrinceAdam101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Posts
    2,930
    No, time for this thread to close and a *new one started.
    Etherian Rebel JOSH for the MOTUC (see my avatar)!

  15. #15
    Illumina & Cat please! Darkspecter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    14,957
    I'm just glad we don't have to have the debate/fights over Filmation Rights, is this colour being the same colour copyright infringement, etc.
    Take part in Illumina Day! Let people know who she is and help get her in MOTUC.

    http://motuc-illumina.proboards.com/...cgi?board=talk

    You can join the Illumina Facebook page here!

    https://www.facebook.com/Illumina.Sleetah

  16. #16
    Heroic Warrior Orko's Magic Hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2001
    Location
    Birmingham, UK
    Posts
    5,128
    I totally forgot that Octavia was a possiblity!! Hopefully she comes out sooner rather than later.

  17. #17
    Heroic Warrior gbagok's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Maryland, USA
    Posts
    7,000
    It'd be cool if they do both Octavia AND the Octopus Woman. For that matter, all those unused She-Ra concepts would make some nifty Preternian women characters too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Now she's indisputably available (time for a thread rename?), how many want the character who came a surprise third, beaten only by Shadow Weaver and Scorpia, in Offlimits 90-to-1?
    Agh. That list makes me cry that any majority wants Vultak and Granita more/sooner than Shokoti and Lord Masque. Sad face!

  18. #18
    Heroic Daddy to Hermione! Uki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    The Woodlands,Tx
    Posts
    9,742
    How have I not posted in here?

    I want Octavia! I love ocean themed characters!
    Not to sound like a creepy cheerleader for Uki, but it's nice to know there is at least one person on this forum who is extremely positive & friendly all the time. I don't think I could be that nice even if you paid me. If we ever give out awards for "forum member of the month", Uki gets my vote. -Mr. Shokoti

    Subscribe for MOTUC 2015!!!

  19. #19
    Heroic Warrior Jester's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    So Cal
    Posts
    141
    Quote Originally Posted by Uki View Post
    How have I not posted in here?

    I want Octavia! I love ocean themed characters!
    The demand it ! I want my Octavia too!!!

    We need to get the demand up... TG get 5000 and then we can talk about this or that character.

    OCTAVIA 5000!!!

  20. #20
    Heroic Warrior
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    1,387
    I would buy at least 2 Octavias.

  21. #21
    Rebel Jubilation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,426
    Octavia would make an amazing figure and it would be so great if we could get her (and Scropia) to add to the Horde ranks.

  22. #22
    Heroic King Of Zumba mk476's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Posts
    1,297
    I'm hoping we'll get Octavia soon. I love her!

  23. #23
    Always Lurking Around Son of Keldor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    7,783
    i would love to have octavia in my collection. i've wanted her ever since i saw her in the cartoons.

    =)
    Can I get a "Hell Yeah" for Scorpia!!!

    My Trader Feedback thread:

    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...eldor+feedback

  24. #24
    Searchin' My Soul DisneyBoy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Posts
    3,205
    Wow - how did I miss this thread?

    I'm a huge supporter of Octavia! I have a very strong feeling that she'll end up in the MOTUC line down the road (or hopefully sooner!) I agree, though, that her tentacles will be tricky. I too was hoping for "bendy" wire-based tentacles, but ya'll raise a good point - how will she hold her weapons? Maybe the tentacles could be solid, but rotate from the base point in her back - that way, you could still get a bunch of poses out of them just by turning them in different ways instead of bending them.

    I'd really hate for them to have points of articulation, because then they'd look like robotic Dr Oc-style attachments when they're clearly supposed to be an organic part of her body.

    As for weapons, I'd be happy with her coming with two throwing stars, two swords and two batons/stun sticks. Four swords would surely throw her off her balance.

    I just hope they give her a nice bum! She always had one in the show, and I'm tired of the pancake-butted women in the this line (Marlena being the exception).


    EDIT: What's this about an Purple Octopus Prototype Picture??? Can someone please repost it or link me? I'm VERY interested!
    Last edited by DisneyBoy; November 25, 2011 at 02:07pm.

  25. #25
    Heroic Warrior Slave2Evil_Lyn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Posts
    1,701
    I was thinking the same thing when I was listening to RGD today. I could see them done with small segments connected to each other with ball joints to allow for the most possibility.

    While I want Octavia a slit bit more them Scorpia I hope we see one of them revealed at SDCC this year.
    "Don't crowd me boys!"
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Posted from iOS app

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •