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    *PROTECTED* King Hsss's snake form needs to be improved urgently !

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    From what was revealed last night at SDCC, King Hsss, one of the last faction leaders and an A-list character, is coming in March 2010. The Hsss we saw is probably just a prototype, but there are things to discuss already.

    While the “human” King Hsss seems awesome to me (well articulated, amazing “vintage inspired” face but with a slightly grim and deceiving smile), while his accessories (shield and staff) look great, I’m greatly concerned about his “hydra” part.

    From what I saw, it’s like we’re going to get only a “half King Hsss” ! In other words, I have the feeling that King Hsss was done quickly, and was a little bit “botched”. Of course, this is not a good thing, especially when we consider the fact that Hsss is an A-list character !

    So, what does bother me in the “hydra part” that was shown ? Well, all in all, it seems very STATIC. And personally, I collect MOTUC figures because they are ARTICULATED ACTION figures, NOT stactions !

    First, there is no articulated, hingeable jaw. While it is true that vintage Hsss didn’t have an articulated hydra jaw, I want to stress and to underline the fact that this is Master od the Universe CLASSICS, a line that is famous, among other things, for its POINTS OF ARTICULATION.

    The fact that Hsss’s hydra form doesn’t have hingeable jaws is also a bad omen for what will come next: it would mean that Rattlor and Kobra Khan wouldn’t have any hingeable jaw either ! Personally, I’d like my Snakemen to be able to “bite”, to have their mouth opened or closed. 200x Hsss was really crappy in my opinion, BUT nevertheless, there was ONE thing I really liked about him : the fact that his “hydra” snake part was able to open and close the jaws (main head AND arms). This was a trait I really liked in 200x Kobra Khan and General Rattlor too (hingeable jaws).

    The MOTUC line is supposed to have better articulations, so I don’t understand why MOTUC King Hsss snake form wouldn’t get great articulations. Plus, Trap Jaw had hingeable jaws. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that King Hsss, Kobra Khan and Rattlor wouldn’t have hingeable jaws too !

    Second, Hsss's general hydra appearance seems a bit “off” to me. The snakes that are used as his “arms” are different from the vintage Hsss, and also from 200x Hsss. They seem to sprout directly from… his belly, which is totally odd. Hsss’s snake form seems to be very “empty”, there is a lot of air and not very many snakes !

    Third, the snake “arms” seem like they’re not even articulated ! In the pictures we saw, there was no indication that there was any articulation at all ! This is totally unacceptable, I think. Even the vintage 80's Hiss and 200x Hsss had articulated arms and snake arms !


    That is why I ask to the fans that they will request for Mattel to reconsider the way King Hsss hydra part was conceived. We need a King Hsss snake form that is ARTICULATED. Articulated jaw, articulated arms, and with a “fuller” abdomen.

    King Hsss’s release is scheduled for March 2011 (in 8 months). This leaves enough time for Mattel and the 4 Horsemen to work again on Hsss’s hydra part.
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    I don't agree with you often but I agree with you here. I really don't like the Snake form. The Human form has been done so well only to be let down by the snake form

    I understand it follows the vintage look but they could have at least taken some liberties like they have for other figures

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    I do agree that his snake form could have looked better.

    However, I suspect the reason they made him look so much like the vintage version is because they're planning on releasing a 200X style King Hsss later on.

    The snake bodies could be compatible between the two, meaning that you could put the 200X snake body on the vintage versions legs and vice versa.

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    However, I suspect the reason they made him look so much like the vintage version is because they're planning on releasing a 200X style King Hsss later on.

    I'm sorry, but the MOTUC hydra part of Hsss isn't even close to the vintage 80's version ! The vintage, at least, could move its snake arms ! Even the terribly impaired 200x version had great snake articulations (it was the human shell that was totally static and uncool) !


    It seems like Mattel tries to do the contrary of what happened in 200X
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    - 200X Hsss : terrible human upper part, with no articulations whatsoever, but with cool snake form (articulated arms, hingeable main jaw, and even articulated jaws for the "hand snakes" !)

    - MOTUC Hsss : awesome articulated human upper part, but static, almost unarticulated snake part !

    When will these aggravations stop !?

    I don't care that they plan to release (MAYBE !) another snake version od Hsss "later" ! "Later" might never come ! They should be able to make a DEFINITE, WELL THOUGHT and DECENT figure right away !

    And I add that, personally, I don't want and certainly don't have to buy King Hsss twice and spend twice as much money just because Mattel was incompetent and unable to release a complete and decent Hsss from the start !

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    The human form is OUTSTANDING!! I love the smirk and the textures and the articulation is what we've come to expect. The weapons were fantastic and detailed.

    The Snake form was a bit of a let down. I mean it's what the vintage version was and I don't mind the sculpt but I do wish there was articulation. I do hope this is just a case of prototype figure syndrom and that the final will have SOME articulation. It would be even better if it was possible to make the snakes bendy. The main body doesn't need to be but the extra snakes would be cool to pose them in menacing ways. :-)

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    I think in this case they have 8 mths to re-think the top half of a figure (essentially a pack in acessory) to come up with a larger, more intimidating and dynamic design.

    Also from the photos I have seen the snake body is not even flush with the bottom half of the body.

    If it means it costs more then so be it - I'm willing to stump up an extra $10 for a 'complete' version of an important figure.

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    I was really looking forward to finally getting an amazing King Hiss, because of no action feature restraints. The human form looks amazing, did they say if it has an ab crunch?

    I haven't had many complaints at all up until now. The snake body is just terrifying for all the wrong reasons. Major fail on this one. So disappointing for an A-list character.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADPriceless View Post

    Also from the photos I have seen the snake body is not even flush with the bottom half of the body.
    The snake torso is so out of place. It looks like when you put Orko's head on another figure (at least that looks funny). It just doesn't go with the bottom half.

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    It would be even better if it was possible to make the snakes bendy.
    It has been stated several times above in this thread that the snakes will actually be "bendable", which is a very poor option in my humble opinion. Bendable items break easily when you use them too often, where a real articulation works wonders again and again (IF the articulation is tight and a quality one, of course).

    Hingeable jaws would improve the figure greatly too, I think.

    I think in this case they have 8 mths to re-think the top half of a figure (essentially a pack in acessory) to come up with a larger, more intimidating and dynamic design.
    Exactly ! What we saw was just a prototype anyway, but it's better to let our claims known right now. In 2 months, it will be too late (since they say they cannot make serious changes in a 6 months limit)...
    Last edited by Spectror; July 24, 2010 at 01:59pm. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Even if there is time, I'm not sure they'll do anything.

    However, that said, I agree, Hsss's snake form is absolutely pathetic. Tiny snake bits, unarticulated jaws (along with no real articulation; bendy does not cut it), too few heads, and one other thing I haven't seen mentioned.

    I really dislike his rabbit teeth. They are far too close together and seated too far forward in his mouth. Those aren't fangs, those are bunny teeth.

    When I was a wee lad, I had that poster from the MOTU Magazine on my wall, if Matty is going to give us a seperate torso, it should be fitting for the character, not just plain said.
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    Wouldn't that be Hyper Anime Detail?

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    I too was underwhelmed by the snake form, too short in my opinion.

    In terms of articulation - at the Matty panel they said that the snake arms are 'bendy' and able to be posed rather than normal articulation.

    I agree that the human form is top notch though.

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    Wouldn't that be Hyper Anime Detail?
    I know you meant that as a joke, but come on ! Trap Jaw had articulated jaws ! Why couldn't other figures have articulated jaws ? And let's be honest, that has NOTHING to do with "hyper anime detail" !

    Decent arms articulations for Hsss's snake part are CERTAINLY not an unreasonable request ! ALL MOTUC figures have decent, articulated arms ! Even the articulations limited Tytus has at least SOME arms articulations ! Even the 80's Hiss had articulated snake arms !

    Why does Mattel try to go cheap on one of the A-list figures again ? She-Ra hadn't the quality she deserved, and now it's Hsss ! I guess they plan to release the main characters again and again. But sorry, I WON'T fall into this spending trap ! Make decent figures right away, or you'll kill the line and make a lot of angry fans !


    In terms of articulation - at the Matty panel they said that the snake arms are 'bendy' and able to be posed rather than normal articulation.
    What the heck !? "Bendy" arms ? You mean, with metal wires in them ? How awful is that ? This does hardly make a decent articulation ! Plus, metal wires break ! No. "Bendy snake arms" just seem another CHEAP option that will result in us spending a bunch of money for a crappy, badly articulated hydra Hsss !

    GIVE US DECENT, NORMAL, TRADITIONAL MOTUC ARTICULATIONS FOR THE SNAKE ARMS TOO !
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    True the human part is amazing, while the snake part kinda well ya know.

    I understand that this might be done to keep costs low. So I would suggest
    to split the figure into two. First we get this amazing human Hsss and later on we get a awesome, well articulated snake form Hsss.

    This way Mattel makes more money and we'll be happier. Win-win-situation

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    I understand that this might be done to keep costs low. So I would suggest to split the figure into two. First we get this amazing human Hsss and later on we get a awesome, well articulated snake form Hsss.

    No. It hasn't been made "to keep the costs low". Come on ! MOTUC is the hottest property sold on Mattycollector, and they know it !

    The truth is : it has been made like a halfway, Quasimodo Hsss figure !

    Why can't they release the "RIGHT" version right away, from the start, the first time ?

    I think they hope that they MIGHT (and when I say "MIGHT", that's IF the line doesn't crash down before !) release a second Hsss some time down the line, so people will actually spend more money to finally have a decent figure. I think this is not only greedy, that is taking the fans as hostages, and that is dishonest tactics !

    We saw the very same thing with Tytus : first, they release an limited (articulation-wise) figure... for $40 ! THEN, they say "oh yeah, by the way, if you want a better articulate Tytus and/or Megator, you'll have to spit out 100 bucks" ! Sorry, but in all honesty, that is a method that is used by swindlers all over the planet. The word might seem harsh, but that is the appropriate word for that kind of situation !

    It has already been said by Toyguru his snake form will be bendable, which means he IS fully articulated.

    "Bendable" is NOT a valid, nor a suitable solution ! Bendable arms means arms that BREAK easily ! And NO, it is NOT "fully articulated", since there is no shoudler articulation, no elbow articulation and no wrist/hand articulation either !

    More cheap, inane so-called "solution" ! And on an A-list character !

    This Hsss's snake part is by far the WORST ever produced so far (just like Hsss's 200x human part was the worst ever produced) ! 80's version had at least the simple shoulder joint that was characteristic of that era. 200x snake part had articulations too ! WHY SHOULD WE ACCEPT A STACTION SNAKE PART FOR THE MOTUC FIG, WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE "BETTER ARTICULATIONS" ???

    Bendy arms doesn't mean "better articulations to me". On the contrary. It just screams "crappy choice" !
    Last edited by Spectror; July 24, 2010 at 08:49am. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    I'm in FULL agreement here. I was hoping for a Hsss with a bonus 200X head and an interchangeable menacing snake torso. The human form looks great but the snake form looks extremely lame and weak. A proper King Hssss would probably be better off as a $30 "beast" figure.
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    I must admit I don't like the snake form anywhere near as much as the human form but honestly by this point I'm sure it's already way to late to change it.
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    I agree with Spectror on this one! More work is urgently needed on King Hiss' hydra form.

    He should be a 'seething mass of snakes' with the heads all poking out of a writhing mess of entangled snake bodies - not just 4 snakes popping out of King Hiss' pants like a MOTUC-pornstar 200x Hsss got the seething mass angle right!

    Vintage King Hiss had a total of 6 snake heads - not 5.

    The bendy arms is a nice new angle on this figure, but for such an A-list character and faction leader, I do think the 4H could have designed Hiss similar to Plastic Man where fans have a choice of plug in snake-arms, either bendy or articulated. Oh yeah, I agree that the central snake head and articulated arm snakes should preferably come with hinged jaws.

    EDIT: a leg broke off my vintage King Hiss (the rubber band snapped) while I was trying to remove him from my Tyrantisaurus Rex so I could look at his hydra form in posting this message... Other than Saurod's lever, this is the first MOTU figure I ever broke. Off to ebay I guess ...
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    Just a reminder here, folks... this is a protected thread, which means the topic is not up for debate.
    Just discussion of what improvements you would like to see on the snake form of King Hsss.

    If you think it is fine as is... great.
    But in that case, please just ignore this thread.
    There is still a general King Hsss discussion thread where those opinions can be posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectror View Post
    So, what does bother me in the “hydra part” that was shown ? Well, all in all, it seems very STATIC. And personally, I collect MOTUC figures because they are ARTICULATED ACTION figures, NOT stactions !
    It has already been said by Toyguru his snake form will be bendable, which means he IS fully articulated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectror View Post

    The fact that Hsss’s hydra form doesn’t have hingeable jaws is also a bad omen for what will come next: it would mean that Rattlor and Kobra Khan wouldn’t have any hingeable jaw either !
    Hmmmm, I'm not sure I understand your point here. Why does that mean that Rattlor and Khan WON'T have a hingeable jaw? True, they will want to reuse parts as much as possible...but that does not by any means mean that they will not make a hinge-able jaw for those two figures.

    Other than that point which I'm unclear on, I agree with the majority of your post. They could do, and hopefully will do, a lot more changes with this figure before it's release.
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    I'm with you Spectror. Mattel can (and should) definitely do better with the Hydra articulation. If they are doing this line for us (well, in a second place after the profit) , as they say they are, they should listen to our demands and do something about Hsss.
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    I'll throw my vote into this pile as well; basically, what everybody's already said, I agree with and thought to myself when I saw Hiss's snake form. I pontificated my thoughts in detail in the SDCC thread, but yeah, disappointed.
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    I was hoping to see King Hisss in full snake form as a large scale beast. What they've done now is true to the vintage figure but it just looks awful.

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    I like the center snake head...and the two long one snakes...but the short ones I do not like.

    I wish he looked like the cover of the magazine that ByThePower posted.

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    I don't need a jaw that works since so far only Trap Jaw's had one but I think the two 'arm' snakes should have a point or two of articulation for sure.

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