fantastic! i hope the blue hordak becomes a reality next year, i had to make my custom one, but let's say that it's jsut not the same
hi folks! this is not about conspiracy - but at sdcc we were shown more Filmation characters/designs: SHADOW BEASTS and PALACE GUARDS. Both have the Filmation design - the 200X design was totally different!
to sum it up, we have the following Filmation characters:
- Palace Guards
- Shadow Beasts
- Battle Cat (?)
- Mer Man (Blue Repaint)
- Bow (?)
And they already said they can do the following Filmation designs:
- Green Queen Marlena
- Blue Hordak
All the pro/contra style guide "excuses" don't convince anybody. there are so many contradictions.
i think when the sales go down, Matty will admit it to get new attention!
I dont know about them owing the rights as of yet. I think they are telling the truth. But I think they may be close to a deal.
Why do I say this.
Well maybe the company that owns the rights now can see that the MOTUC brand is a huge no brainer money maker and they would want a piece of the pie.
but thats my conspiricy.
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I don't understand why they would need to OWN the rights. Can't they just do a deal concerning this line that would allow them to use the characters?
Sigh. I do wish for Mattel to get the Filmation right for Filmation fans. There are some characters I think would be cool in plastic form too. However, I am personally getting tired of seeing the same tired "evidence" layout as to how Mattel already owns the Filmation library and is hiding it from us. There are good theory out there- but I find the following tiresome because they have been debunked soo many times already.
- Adora- Mattel created her first, Filmation used Mattel Design in the show
- Orko- made as a toy in the 80's with permission then- thus they can use that design in modern day
- Palace Guards- Generic MAA design- it is not really copyrightable by Filmation. Yes there are nods to the Filmation one- but there are MYP elements in there as well.
- Shadow Beasts- Appeared in MYP episode of "Night of the Shadow Beast". 4H has slipped in a homage head cause they were heavily shadow in that episode- nothing more.
- Battle Cat (?)- looks like the 80"s toy- don't know what you are getting at here?
- Mer Man (Blue Repaint)- As fan pointed out- it is a comic repaint
- Bow (?)- same as Adora- Mattel style guide design that was adapted by Filmation later
- Green Queen Marlena- Toyguru has stated Mattel design her, Filmation used her. They have right to make Marela how ever the see fit- even coloring her dress green.
- Blue Hordak- They own the character- it would just be a paint refresh- like in the DC 2 pack (think a pair up with Darksied would be appropriate)
Slide Show image:
The never said they had the rights to anyone on that slide. That was a 4H wish list- no more. Thankfully they have managed to do allot of those- but that is not "proof" of owning the entire Filmation library.
EDIT: Personally- I think the best reason I can think of for Mattel is close to getting the Filmation rights is them dragging their feet on releasing the POP girls. The pretty much own the right to do the iconic looks of Adora, She-ra, and Bow, but after that the rest of the girls designs get a bit murky. They may keep getting tossed on the back burning in hopes of seal a deal to do the girls right the first time around.
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The Royal Guards can't look fully 200X because of the hyper anime detail rule.
The Shadow Beasts for the most part look like the filmation versions except for darker fur.
Others appeared on 200x cartoon so they can somehow make Filmation variants of them.
Blue Mer-man doesn't count. It's a repaint based on DC mini series.
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To be bluntly honest, I'll say this : personally, I don't care if Mattel owns the Filmation rights or not.
As long as they release the likes of Shadow Weaver, Octavia, Scorpia, Dragoon, Fang Man, Lord Masque, Imp, Icer, Vultak etc. , I'll be happy. What matters are not the rights or their owner(s), but the fact that we get our beloved characters under plastic form in the MOTUC line !
So Mattel can keep saying "We don't own the Filmations rights ! Nothing is planned !" etc. , as long as they keep dishing out Filmation characters (Adora, She-Ra, Queen Marlena, blue Hordak, Shadow Beast, Bow and so on), I'll be perfectly fine !
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...maybe i shouldnīt say that...
No matter what they( who ever they is...?) people seem to be angry with them...
If itīs to vintage, like King HSSS for example, they decided wrong, is it to 200X, like Chief Carnivus, they made him to cartoony, if they stick to Style Guide, like She-Ra, itīs not detailed enough.
...iīm simply happy that MOTUC exist and we all get a change to own all the characters one day!
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Not to be starting trouble, but what would Mattel have to gain by concealing the fact they had the Filmation rights? I'm not really sure what would be the point in that. Without a clear benefit to hiding ownership of Filmation rights, I would have to say this is just wishful thinking/conspiracy theory.
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I'm not sure whether Mattel do have the FILMation rights at this point of time. However, if they do then I'm sure they're keeping it a secret waiting until some future time when the line needs a new boost of excitement.
Sadly for those of us who desperately want to see the FILMation characters incorporated into MOTUC - but happily for those of us who want this line to be strong - I suspect any news on FILMation may be delayed for some time due to constant lightning quick sell outs. At this stage Mattel have no need or benefit from revealing FILMation rights acquisition.
Yes i bet my eggs that Mattel already have the Filmation rights.
I believe that 100%.
Nobody can tell me that Mattel wouldnt own that rights
Show me a pic of Kothos, and he might gain a new fan !Poor Kothos always seems to be missed out of these lists
Yeah, yeah, I know... same old blah blah blah... but WHY in the name of the Lord did we get a Shadow Beast with the FILMATION HEAD then, huh ?Anyone who was created by Filmation for the series like Shadow Weaver, Sea Hawk, Madame Razz, Lizard Man, can not be made cause they do not have the rights to produce them or even a figure who resembles them
Like I said, it doesn't matter who owns or doesn't own the rights, as long as we get the cool characters in MOTUC.
I don't care what lies will come from Toyguru, Mattel, or anyone : "conspiracy theory" or not, my eyes have actually SEEN that many characters look like their Filmation incarnation. I just hope they keep doing that, and that they will eventually produce Shadow Weaver and the other Filmation guys sooner or later.
... and replaced it with a more filmation-esque look !That's not Filmation! They just took away the hyper anime detail away from the Shadow Beast!
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Adora, Hordak, and Marlena are already explained- Mattel owns the rights to these looks- Filmation followed suit and used them in the show.
Hero- an existing concept made by Mattel
King Grayskull- From MYP- homage to the 4H barbarian He-man design from 200x
Wun-dar- Mythical/non-mythical He-man variant brought to life in the Classics
Green Goddess- fan art (sorry don't know who's) of the mini comic version of the Sorceress, popularized by decided fans on these boards (I'm looking at you Baena ).
He-man and Skeletor- big deal- they used the Filmation art to show them. That is not really proof of owning the Filmation library. If you are going to follow the logic of they used Filmation art, so they must own the rights, they you have to question did Mattel also pay for the rights to use Emilio (sp?) Shadow Weaver or Baena's Green Goddess on the other slide? Why didn't they use Filmation Shadow Weaver on that slide? Mattel used their art, that must mean they have work out a deal to use those likeness with those artists? Or is it just more simply who ever put together the slide show just picked good art to represent possibility and wish lists?
The Filmation cartoon is one of the most icon representation of the MOTU characters- it is not surprising they used those images.
The contradictions as to what characters and looks Mattel can use are downright confusing. FILMation looks are meant to be off limits for MYP featured characters so we cannot have FILMation Marzo or Evil Seed but now we get FILMation Shadow Beast. Mini-comic characters are allowed so we can get green Dress Marlena but not Light Hope.
I think they make it up as they go!
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'Cos he's one of the human guest villains he has never ranked as high on the fan want list as the more visually dynamic creature villains. However, he's a bit like the Boss Hogg of MOTU, fat, greedy and a braggart.
It's probably a thing that complicated background business dealings that's involved. Something that people outside the company wouldn't know and wouldn't have need of knowing. To say "they don't have the rights" is easy enough and wraps things up. When we start seeing versions of characters that technically should be Filmation, there is probably a lot of red tape involved.
So yeah, it really doesn't matter what Mattel owns. All these speculation threads mean little to nothing to Mattel anyway. It's just another person trying to build a post count at the end of the day. Mattel will do as they have been doing and release who they want to release Maybe eventually if the line starts burning out, then they might start paying more attention, but until then they have a pretty good idea what people are looking for. It's obvious from the lack of other main characters that haven't been done, they're still in the mode of stretching things out.
It could have meant they were considering going after the rights. Or it could have meant they already had them, even way back then! Or it could mean Toyguru just likes messing with our heads!