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    On a side note, they could do He-man and She-Ra Barbie 2 packs. Several years ago they did a Barbie 2 pack based on historical romance novels. The Ken used a different more muscular body. I could only find this pic. I have the doll, but right now he's camera shy (aka somewhere in storage! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhea View Post
    On a side note, they could do He-man and She-Ra Barbie 2 packs. Several years ago they did a Barbie 2 pack based on historical romance novels. The Ken used a different more muscular body. I could only find this pic. I have the doll, but right now he's camera shy (aka somewhere in storage! )

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    I dont like any cross overs even though I collect Transformers I hate the look of the cross over ones with Marvel and so on. It seems a never ending thing. Cant things just be individual of eachother without everything being merged together and cross promoted. I know it makes good business sense in alot of cases but from a fan point of view it seems silly having things so dramatically different as Barbie and MOTU that are not set in the same universe merged together. Even if I liked Barbie dolls I still wouldn't want them in MOTUC. I like Doctor Who and Transformers, Cult Classics, Gargoyles, TMNT etc but I dont want them all thrown together into one big mess of a universe.
    As I said earlier though, if it did happen I wouldn't be that upset about it I just wouldn't buy it.

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    Ewwww...that pic doesn't help Barbie's case here, Rhea.

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    One of the central elements of MOTU is Barbarians, therefore Vikor isn't exactly redundant Again, regardless of who finds Vikor appealing isn't
    the point, as he was a concept of MOTU. In sheer looks he does add
    variety. Barbie has no connection to MOTU and she doesn't bring
    anything that none of the other POP characters can do.
    Barbie can bring in outside customers, who would be exposed to MOTU. Everyone who likes Barbie doesn't automatically like She-Ra.

    And how come there can be more barbarians, but not more warrior women or princesses or whatever the hell Barbie's gimmick would be? Would you feel this way if it were Red Sonja or Xena as a crossover character?

    outside fans? I mean keeping the current fans happy is very
    important. Not to say that you can't try to appeal to outside fans,
    but adding Barbie definitely wouldn't be the solution.
    Why not? We'd have a huge segment of the toy collecting world looking at MOTU. If they loved the Barbie character, then they might like the other female figures already in the line. You can't do this with fans who are already collecting the line.

    At least the Adam Eternum and Keldor the Lost would make
    more sense in the world of He-Man. As I've said, I have no
    idea what Barbie can exactly accomplish that She-Ra can't
    since She-Ra is basically the MOTU Barbie.
    Adam Eternum and Keldor the Lost accomplish the same task--bringing outside fans into the line through a novelty SDCC slot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodster6 View Post
    I dont like any cross overs even though I collect Transformers I hate the look of the cross over ones with Marvel and so on. It seems a never ending thing. Cant things just be individual of eachother without everything being merged together and cross promoted.
    It probably would if MOTUC were the force it was in the 80's. Since it isn't, it needs all the help it can get to get back to some sort of regular toy world presence.

    I know it makes good business sense in alot of cases but from a fan point of view it seems silly having things so dramatically different as Barbie and MOTU that are not set in the same universe merged together. Even if I liked Barbie dolls I still wouldn't want them in MOTUC. I like Doctor Who and Transformers, Cult Classics, Gargoyles, TMNT etc but I dont want them all thrown together into one big mess of a universe.
    As I said earlier though, if it did happen I wouldn't be that upset about it I just wouldn't buy it.
    I know...it's the fan perspective versus the business perspective. The fan perspective is about integrity, while the business perspective is about money. Integrity keeps MOTU pure, while money makes MOTU grow.
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    They could Add Barbie, the WoW Tribute to MOTU characters, or whatever they think about as Novelty SDCC items...That way its not on the subs and people who don't want them don't HAVE to buy them... I'd have to draw the line at Max Steel... I can take Bravestarr, Barbie, Street Sharks, even Mighty Max, but not Max Steel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhea View Post
    On a side note, they could do He-man and She-Ra Barbie 2 packs. Several years ago they did a Barbie 2 pack based on historical romance novels. The Ken used a different more muscular body. I could only find this pic. I have the doll, but right now he's camera shy (aka somewhere in storage! )

    --rhea
    That is some scary shizz,

    I thought that was a photoshop job when i first saw it.

    I agree with Azrael 100% on the topic

    Barbie does not belong in MOTUC, there are so many other female character's in the MOTU world that need a figure.

    Again how does Barbie fit into MOTU other than unneeded commercialism?
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    Barbie in MOTUC??

    Why??
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    Quote Originally Posted by skelehorde View Post
    Barbie does not belong in MOTUC, there are so many other female character's in the MOTU world that need a figure.
    That's a weak excuse...you know most fans only care about Queen Marlena and Sorceress. Like anybody gives a damn about Netossa and Sweet Bee...

    Again how does Barbie fit into MOTU other than unneeded commercialism?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamps View Post
    Barbie in MOTUC??

    Why??
    Barbie brings outside fans into the line through a novelty SDCC slot. Barbie fans introduced to the line through that figure might want to purchase the POP figures that the MOTU purists are turning up their noses at. That's the point of crossovers--to promote the line to potential new fans who wouldn't have looked at He-Man otherwise. We'd have a huge segment of the toy collecting world looking at MOTU. If they loved the Barbie character, then they might like the other female figures already in the line. You can't do this with fans who are already collecting the line.

    Let's move from the "why" because I've already answered why it's good for MOTU. Let's hear a good argument on why we shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    That's a weak excuse...you know most fans only care about Queen Marlena and Sorceress. Like anybody gives a damn about Netossa and Sweet Bee...



    Barbie brings outside fans into the line through a novelty SDCC slot. Barbie fans introduced to the line through that figure might want to purchase the POP figures that the MOTU purists are turning up their noses at. That's the point of crossovers--to promote the line to potential new fans who wouldn't have looked at He-Man otherwise. We'd have a huge segment of the toy collecting world looking at MOTU. If they loved the Barbie character, then they might like the other female figures already in the line. You can't do this with fans who are already collecting the line.
    I would much rather buy Netossa and sweet bee, i never had POP growing up but watched the cartoon & i'm collecting POP in this line.

    i would never ever, ever buy a barbie even if she was packaged as an MOTUC figure.

    you keep repeating that barbie collectors will be all over it & yeah a couple of them might start collecting MOTUC that don't already.
    i still don't see how this is a valid point as the MOTUC line sells out & doesnt need to include barbie as MOTU already has a solid fan base.

    I'm asking where does she fit in, like Mo-larr's from an MOTU comedy sketch, gy-gor, he-ro , vikor are all protos, preternian disguise he-man - comics. Even the DC 2 packs - He-man debuts in DC comics(superboy, wonderwoman).

    Barbie is just made by the same company, i can't see a valid point as to why i should support or start to even consider(after 30 years) barbie as MOTU

    Here are some more mattel lines that we could throw in MOTUC just so more people start buying

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    Aladdin film toy figures
    Aladdin TV series toy figures
    Aaahh!!! Real Monsters
    American Girl
    Avatar action figures
    Avatar: The Last Airbender
    Atlantis: The Lost Empire toy figures
    Batman
    Batman Begins
    Batman: The Brave and the Bold
    Battlestar Galactica (1979)
    Beauty and the Beast toy figures
    Big Jim (this would make more sense in MOTUC than Barbie)
    Boglins
    Bravestarr
    Cabbage Patch Kids (1994–2000)
    Catdog
    Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future
    Computer Warriors (1989–1990)
    Chatty Cathy (1959-1965, 1969-1971, 1998, 2001)
    DC Universe Classics
    Demolition Man (toys based on Demolition Man)
    Diva Starz
    Doug
    Dustan's Adventure team Go!!
    Ello Creation System (2002-2004)
    Fisher-Price
    Flash Gordon (toys based on The New Adventures of Flash Gordon)
    Food Fighters
    Generator Rex
    Ghostbusters(slimer/orko redeco)
    Gorgeous Creatures Dolls (1979)
    Harry Potter games, etc.
    Hannah Montana (Outside of North America)
    Hercules toy figures
    High School Musical (Zac Efron MOTUC prince adam redeco)
    Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi
    Hot Wheels
    The Hunchback of Notre Dame toy figures
    Isabella
    Jack-in-the-box
    Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors
    Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (film)
    Justice League Unlimited
    The Last Action Hero
    Liddle Kiddles
    The Lion King
    M.U.S.C.L.E.
    Magic 8 Ball
    Magic Nursery doll (1989)
    Major Matt Mason (1966–1970)
    Man-Bat
    Matchbox
    Max Steel
    Mega Man NT Warrior
    Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series
    Mindflex
    Monogram models (1970s-1980s)
    Monster High
    Monsters, Inc.
    Mulan
    My Child Dolls (1986–1988)
    My Meebas
    My Scene Dolls
    Naruto
    The New Adventures of He-Man (already spoken for)
    One Piece
    Planet Hotwheels Planet Hot Wheels
    Pixel Chix
    Pixar's Cars Diecast Line
    Piranha Panic
    Pocahontas (1995 film)
    Polly Pocket
    Popples plush toys
    Pound Puppies
    Disney-Pixar's Ratatouille
    Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots (1966)
    Rocket Power
    Rocko's Modern Life
    Rugrats
    Secret Wars (1984–1985)
    See 'n Say
    Shaman King
    She-Ra: Princess of Power
    The Simpsons toy figures, games, etc.
    SpongeBob SquarePants
    Strange Change Machine (1968)
    Spectra and Spark (1987)
    Superman
    Superman Returns
    Tarzan (mid-1970s)
    Tarzan toy figures
    Teen Trends fashion dolls
    Toy Story action figures, Little figures (Action Links) with playsets, and dolls
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    The Wild Thornberries
    Thingmaker
    Thomas the Tank Engine
    Toss Across
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    Upsy Downsy
    Tyco R/C
    Wayne Gretzky
    Winx Club
    Wizards of Waverly Place
    Wizzzers (1969)
    Wonder Woman (animated film) 2009 Best Buy only
    World Wrestling Entertainment
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    Quote Originally Posted by skelehorde View Post
    I would much rather buy Netossa and sweet bee, i never had POP growing up but watched the cartoon & i'm collecting POP in this line.

    i would never ever, ever buy a barbie even if she was packaged as an MOTUC figure.
    You brought Teela didn't you? You want to buy Marlena right? No one is talking about fabric clothes and rooted hair.

    you keep repeating that barbie collectors will be all over it & yeah a couple of them might start collecting MOTUC that don't already.
    i still don't see how this is a valid point as the MOTUC line sells out & doesnt need to include barbie as MOTU already has a solid fan base.
    A solid ONLINE fan base. Offline, MOTU isn't anything like the other lines like Star Wars, Transformers and G.I. Joe. This is why stuff like Mo-Larr (although I didn't like Mo-Larr personally) helps. It adds more fans who are collecting this line, making MOTU more of a profit. More fans collecting is more of a reason to give MOTUC even more money every year, rather than the same fans year after year.

    I'm asking where does she fit in, like Mo-larr's from an MOTU comedy sketch, gy-gor, he-ro , vikor are all protos, preternian disguise he-man - comics. Even the DC 2 packs - He-man debuts in DC comics(superboy, wonderwoman).
    Barbie using a MOTUC female buck with weapons wouldn't fit in?

    Barbie is just made by the same company, i can't see a valid point as to why i should support or start to even consider(after 30 years) barbie as MOTU
    But you aren't the target audience for this figure. It would be an SDCC exclusive to Barbie fans.

    And isn't New Adventures of He-Man already being represented in MOTUC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    Barbie using a MOTUC female buck with weapons wouldn't fit in?
    Has any Barbie ever been packaged with weapons? I mean besides the Lorena Bobbitt Barbie...

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    But you aren't the target audience for this figure. It would be an SDCC exclusive to Barbie fans.
    So, it would for a cross-section of fans who collect Barbie and like Masters of the Universe? I believe that would be a very tiny fraction of fans. Again, I don't think Barbie has ever been portrayed as a violent career professional with guns, knives or swords. I'd venture to say that you would be hard pressed to convince Mattel executives to have Barbie be a carrier of deadly weapons. But, hey, I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post

    But you aren't the target audience for this figure. It would be an SDCC exclusive to Barbie fans.

    And isn't New Adventures of He-Man already being represented in MOTUC?

    I am the target audience for MOTUC & thats what we are talking about on this website in this forum, this thread is suggesting that barbie should be involved & as the target audience for MOTUC, i feel barbie has no place.

    As i said , i never had POP but am collecting them now within MOTUC because they are part of that universe.

    MOTUC only has a solid online fan base because it is the only place it is available ,which has nothing to do with the thread because Barbie MOTUC would be sold at the same online store.

    I can understand what your saying & if you support barbie in MOTUC that's up to you & i'm not trying to change your mind. I just can't see how barbie belongs in this line if she has never had anything to do with MOTU before, it's just indroducing a new character for the sake of just adding a new character, i don't get it.

    Show me a comic , cartoon, even an advert where barbie has history with MOTU & i might get what the point is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    Has any Barbie ever been packaged with weapons? I mean besides the Lorena Bobbitt Barbie...
    I don't know. I'd assume she would be armed like the other MOTUC females if Sandman is suggesting that she would use a MOTUC female buck.

    So, it would for a cross-section of fans who collect Barbie and like Masters of the Universe? I believe that would be a very tiny fraction of fans. Again, I don't think Barbie has ever been portrayed as a violent career professional with guns, knives or swords. I'd venture to say that you would be hard pressed to convince Mattel executives to have Barbie be a carrier of deadly weapons. But, hey, I could be wrong.
    How big is a fraction of Barbie fans? Isn't Barbie like 50% of all Mattel sales, while MOTUC isn't even 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by skelehorde View Post
    I am the target audience for MOTUC & thats what we are talking about on this website in this forum, this thread is suggesting that barbie should be involved & as the target audience for MOTUC, i feel barbie has no place.
    No doubt. She'd be a celebrity character. An SDCC exclusive that most hardcore MOTU fans wouldn't touch.

    MOTUC only has a solid online fan base because it is the only place it is available ,which has nothing to do with the thread because Barbie MOTUC would be sold at the same online store.
    Barbie collectors have their own website as well as having a strong retail presence. It's one of the largest collector toylines in the world. That's a possible increase in sales, especially on the female figure front.

    I can understand what your saying & if you support barbie in MOTUC that's up to you & i'm not trying to change your mind. I just can't see how barbie belongs in this line if she has never had anything to do with MOTU before, it's just indroducing a new character for the sake of just adding a new character, i don't get it.

    Show me a comic , cartoon, even an advert where barbie has history with MOTU & i might get what the point is
    Barbie most likely wouldn't be a canon character, if that's what you're asking. To my knowledge, she's never had anything to do with MOTU. I'm not sure on the POP end.

    As for my personal support, that's only if I like what's being offered. I'm not one to turn up my nose until I've seen what is being offered. As an artist, my wild imagination prevents me from instantly hating the idea, as I could imagine Barbie as a kick-ass warrior woman. So far, the only MOTUC thing that I haven't brought was Mo-Larr. However, I do know why companies do crossovers. It's not to anger existing fans, but it's to acquire new fans. Catering to the same fans is not the same as getting new fans.

    My main argument is answering "why do it", not convincing anyone to buy a proposed Barbie as a MOTUC female warrior. I hope everyone understands the reasons why companies do these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skelehorde View Post
    Here are some more mattel lines that we could throw in MOTUC just so more people start buying

    Toys
    Aladdin film toy figures
    Aladdin TV series toy figures
    Aaahh!!! Real Monsters
    American Girl
    Avatar action figures
    Avatar: The Last Airbender
    Atlantis: The Lost Empire toy figures
    Batman
    Batman Begins
    Batman: The Brave and the Bold
    Battlestar Galactica (1979)
    Beauty and the Beast toy figures
    Big Jim (this would make more sense in MOTUC than Barbie)
    Boglins
    Bravestarr
    Cabbage Patch Kids (1994–2000)
    Catdog
    Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future
    Computer Warriors (1989–1990)
    Chatty Cathy (1959-1965, 1969-1971, 1998, 2001)
    DC Universe Classics
    Demolition Man (toys based on Demolition Man)
    Diva Starz
    Doug
    Dustan's Adventure team Go!!
    Ello Creation System (2002-2004)
    Fisher-Price
    Flash Gordon (toys based on The New Adventures of Flash Gordon)
    Food Fighters
    Generator Rex
    Ghostbusters(slimer/orko redeco)
    Gorgeous Creatures Dolls (1979)
    Harry Potter games, etc.
    Hannah Montana (Outside of North America)
    Hercules toy figures
    High School Musical (Zac Efron MOTUC prince adam redeco)
    Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi
    Hot Wheels
    The Hunchback of Notre Dame toy figures
    Isabella
    Jack-in-the-box
    Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors
    Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (film)
    Justice League Unlimited
    The Last Action Hero
    Liddle Kiddles
    The Lion King
    M.U.S.C.L.E.
    Magic 8 Ball
    Magic Nursery doll (1989)
    Major Matt Mason (1966–1970)
    Man-Bat
    Matchbox
    Max Steel
    Mega Man NT Warrior
    Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series
    Mindflex
    Monogram models (1970s-1980s)
    Monster High
    Monsters, Inc.
    Mulan
    My Child Dolls (1986–1988)
    My Meebas
    My Scene Dolls
    Naruto
    The New Adventures of He-Man
    One Piece
    Planet Hotwheels Planet Hot Wheels
    Pixel Chix
    Pixar's Cars Diecast Line
    Piranha Panic
    Pocahontas (1995 film)
    Polly Pocket
    Popples plush toys
    Pound Puppies
    Disney-Pixar's Ratatouille
    Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots (1966)
    Rocket Power
    Rocko's Modern Life
    Rugrats
    Secret Wars (1984–1985)
    See 'n Say
    Shaman King
    She-Ra: Princess of Power
    The Simpsons toy figures, games, etc.
    SpongeBob SquarePants
    Strange Change Machine (1968)
    Spectra and Spark (1987)
    Superman
    Superman Returns
    Tarzan (mid-1970s)
    Tarzan toy figures
    Teen Trends fashion dolls
    Toy Story action figures, Little figures (Action Links) with playsets, and dolls
    Batman action figures
    The Wild Thornberries
    Thingmaker
    Thomas the Tank Engine
    Toss Across
    U.B. Funkeys
    Upsy Downsy
    Tyco R/C
    Wayne Gretzky
    Winx Club
    Wizards of Waverly Place
    Wizzzers (1969)
    Wonder Woman (animated film) 2009 Best Buy only
    World Wrestling Entertainment
    Xtractaurs
    Vertibird
    Yu-Gi-Oh! (second series anime)
    Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
    Zatch Bell
    Out of that List: How many of those are Mattel-in-house properties?
    How many are Licensed toys?
    It would be easier for Mattel to do a crossover with in-house properties since there's no need to pay extra for licensing and entering into negotiations with the other party, yadda, yadda.

    As for why Barbie? Aside from being Mattel's BIGGEST property, I have no idea.

    Why would I buy it? (ONLY IF it's made as an exclusive item)
    Simple, the silliness and the "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING" factor are a nice start. It's almost as silly as a robotic cowboy, a firefighting elephant, a guy who can store kilometers of telescoping neck inside his torso, or a girl that can fly while dressed like a bee... It makes for a killer easter egg.
    Also it's a nice twist to the Traditional "Let's turn X franchise into Barbie dolls." approach by Mattel.

    There is also the "Pinkaphobia/Barbiephobia" some people have (Swift Wind Poll comes to mind). A MOTUC Barbie would be less scary than a Barbie-fied MOTU fig.

    A Full Roided out MOTUC Ken would be a nice fun Item... it would be a lot better than Mo-Larr and I LIKE Mo-Larr.

    We are getting a Toyguru action figure for crying out loud! How that isn't as out there as Barbie? (Oh yeah! he's dressed as a Palace Guard...)

    It's a nice way to crosspromote sites (both barbiecollector and mattycollector)
    So do they really need it?
    I don't know, but both sites/lines could gain new fans.
    We're being told constantly by Mattel's reps. that MOTUC is still a niche line... Hence all the "Only in a movie year" answers to vehicles, playsets, etc. or the "Logistics block" non-answers.

    Barbie and Canon:
    I'm pretty sure that Mo-Larr is not part of the MOTUC Canon, but he still exists in toy form. Why can't we have two strangers from an unknown dimension landing on Eternia, something, something Gwildor and using the Cosmic key to send them home? (If Marlena is officially from Earth, there could be a reference in the bios of Barbie & Ken knowing about the missing Astronaut Marlena Glenn.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    I don't know. I'd assume she would be armed like the other MOTUC females if Sandman is suggesting that she would use a MOTUC female buck.
    You're missing the point, MGM. I don't think any 12" Barbie has ever been packaged with weapons. I would as far to say as I don't think Barbie has ever been portrayed in a violent light. To my knowledge the comic heroines she has been dressed as (Wonder Woman, Catwoman and Harley Quinn) were never portrayed as violence prone. So you're asking Barbie collectors (who you suggested this exclusive would be aimed at) to buy a 6" MOTUC Barbie figure in a setting and scale she has never been in (as far as I know) and lacking features regular BArbie dolls are known for (rooted hair, fabric clothing and extra clothing). MOTUC collectors aren't the only ones that don't like change.

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    How big is a fraction of Barbie fans? Isn't Barbie like 50% of all Mattel sales, while MOTUC isn't even 1%?
    I meant that the percentage of Barbie Fans who are also fans of MOTU. I would say the percentage would be less than 5 percent. We know it would not sell well with MOTUC collectors and I would dare to say it wouldn't sell well to Barbie collectors either (foreign size scale, limited household recognition for MOTU among Barbie owners, and unusual fantasy barbarian setting for Barbie). It all adds up to a bad seller to me...
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    Uh... OK.

    I had thought you meant Barbie versions of characters like She-Ra, etc., much like the POP line, only with the Barbie "Buck". Which I would've been ambivilent about.

    The idea of a Bar-Be figure in MOTUC is... well... no. Just no.

    Ignoring everything else, considering it's been 10 months since we last got a femme and how badly flawed the female buck is, no anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    You're missing the point, MGM. I don't think any 12" Barbie has ever been packaged with weapons. I would as far to say as I don't think Barbie has ever been portrayed in a violent light. To my knowledge the comic heroines she has been dressed as (Wonder Woman, Catwoman and Harley Quinn) were never portrayed as violence prone. So you're asking Barbie collectors (who you suggested this exclusive would be aimed at) to buy a 6" MOTUC Barbie figure in a setting and scale she has never been in (as far as I know) and lacking features regular BArbie dolls are known for (rooted hair, fabric clothing and extra clothing). MOTUC collectors aren't the only ones that don't like change.



    I meant that the percentage of Barbie Fans who are also fans of MOTU. I would say the percentage would be less than 5 percent. We know it would not sell well with MOTUC collectors and I would dare to say it wouldn't sell well to Barbie collectors either (foreign size scale, limited household recognition for MOTU among Barbie owners, and unusual fantasy barbarian setting for Barbie). It all adds up to a bad seller to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post

    Barbie can bring in outside customers, who would be exposed to MOTU. Everyone who likes Barbie doesn't automatically like She-Ra.
    But for what? Why try to gain the Barbie crowd? You said it yourself,
    everyone who likes Barbie doesn't automatically like She-Ra, therefore
    why would they be inclined to like He-Man? They would logically take
    a better liking to She-Ra based off the fact that the original line was
    far more reminiscent of what Barbie is.

    And how come there can be more barbarians, but not more warrior women or princesses or whatever the hell Barbie's gimmick would be? Would you feel this way if it were Red Sonja or Xena as a crossover character?
    You're missing the point MGM. This has nothing to do with who has the
    bigger quota. Essentially you're advocating for a crossover involving a
    character who's gimmick is fashion aimed at girls and trying to merge
    it with a predominately male driven line based on sword wielding
    Barbarians. Its almost like trying to crossover the My Little Pony with
    G.I. Joe. So would I feel the exact same way regarding Red Sonja or
    Xena? of course not! Why? well because they're more in tune to what He-Man and She-Ra is.

    Why not? We'd have a huge segment of the toy collecting world looking at MOTU. If they loved the Barbie character, then they might like the other female figures already in the line. You can't do this with fans who are already collecting the line.
    But they're two completely different lines. The only thing they have in
    common is Mattel, that still doesn't mean they should be crossed over.

    Adam Eternum and Keldor the Lost accomplish the same task--bringing outside fans into the line through a novelty SDCC slot.
    But at least they're compatible with what MOTU is

    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    You're missing the point, MGM. I don't think any 12" Barbie has ever been packaged with weapons. I would as far to say as I don't think Barbie has ever been portrayed in a violent light. To my knowledge the comic heroines she has been dressed as (Wonder Woman, Catwoman and Harley Quinn) were never portrayed as violence prone. So you're asking Barbie collectors (who you suggested this exclusive would be aimed at) to buy a 6" MOTUC Barbie figure in a setting and scale she has never been in (as far as I know) and lacking features regular BArbie dolls are known for (rooted hair, fabric clothing and extra clothing). MOTUC collectors aren't the only ones that don't like change.



    I meant that the percentage of Barbie Fans who are also fans of MOTU. I would say the percentage would be less than 5 percent. We know it would not sell well with MOTUC collectors and I would dare to say it wouldn't sell well to Barbie collectors either (foreign size scale, limited household recognition for MOTU among Barbie owners, and unusual fantasy barbarian setting for Barbie). It all adds up to a bad seller to me...
    Precisely my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    Barbie and Bravestarr are both Mattel in-house properties--easier to do a crossover with than other properties. Like any idea, it could make for a fun addition--if done right. Make no mistake, Barbie as a MOTUC could easily go the other way and could be a terrible idea. Just like Bravestarr in MOTU. Heck, I don't think Rio Blast works, but I'm not saying that his fans shouldn't have him.
    I agree. I think Bravestarr and Barbie could be awesome, if done right. Heck, it Bravestarr (if popular enough), could be spunoff into another collector line.

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    Barbie would bring something to the table that DC vs MOTU (Comic book fans), Mo-Larr (Robot Chicken fans) and Vikor (Conan fans) can't.

    The chief purpose, like Mo-Larr or DC vs MOTU, is getting outside fans interested in the product. Barbie fans introduced to the line through that figure might want to purchase the POP figures that the MOTU purists are turning up their noses at. That's the point of crossovers--to promote the line to potential new fans who wouldn't have looked at He-Man otherwise.

    As shown in 1985, females do like MOTU too.

    She wouldn't be part of the line at all. She'd be a novelty character, like Mo-Larr.
    Exactly. I do think a lot of Barbie collectors would be interested in this. Completists have to pick it up and it would be a nice nudge to them to go "MOTU and PoP are back."

    Quote Originally Posted by Azrael View Post
    That doll has a woman's head, with a male body with a five o'clock shadow
    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    Ewwww...that pic doesn't help Barbie's case here, Rhea.
    Hey you two, don't diss the Raider! He's awesome. What's REALLY bizarre about him though, is that he has a Ken head on an Action Man body. I don't think the Barbie line has ever done that before or since. He's basically Fabio:



    Barbie can bring in outside customers, who would be exposed to MOTU.
    True.

    And how come there can be more barbarians, but not more warrior women or princesses or whatever the hell Barbie's gimmick would be? Would you feel this way if it were Red Sonja or Xena as a crossover character?
    Geeks are scared of women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    Has any Barbie ever been packaged with weapons?
    Yes. Plenty, actually. Here are a few examples:

    Princess of the Vikings: body armour and sword:



    Athena: Goddess of War (says it all):



    All of the Muskateer Barbies (4 dolls):





    Uhura (phaser/gun):



    Catwomen:







    That's off the top of my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspecter View Post
    Geeks are scared of women.
    I know that was made jokingly, however from the response it seemed
    as if MGM was implying that it was some partiality on my part in connection
    to women characters. The many examples of Barbie that you posted reinforces
    this. Barbie is all about fashion as we can clearly see.

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    You brought Teela didn't you? You want to buy Marlena right? No one is talking about fabric clothes and rooted hair.
    Yeah, but Teela and Marlena are both part of MOTU. I understand what skelehorde is saying,
    that he would rather have a female character whose already an inherent part of the mythos
    as oppose to shoehorning Barbie in.



    A solid ONLINE fan base. Offline, MOTU isn't anything like the other lines like Star Wars, Transformers and G.I. Joe. This is why stuff like Mo-Larr (although I didn't like Mo-Larr personally) helps. It adds more fans who are collecting this line, making MOTU more of a profit. More fans collecting is more of a reason to give MOTUC even more money every year, rather than the same fans year after year.
    But how do you know Barbie fans are going to become MOTUC fans based off of one novelty figure?
    I also don't think we can accurately gauge whether or not Mo-Larr's inclusion helped the line anymore than the
    success its already enjoyed. It seems like you're trying to gain a particular fanbase while possibly alienating another.

    But you aren't the target audience for this figure. It would be an SDCC exclusive to Barbie fans.

    And isn't New Adventures of He-Man already being represented in MOTUC?
    That's just it, we don't necessarily need the Barbie fans, the lines been
    doing well all on its own. Now if new fans want to come aboard then
    by all means, the more the merrier, however this would not be the
    ideal route to obtain them, especially if it backfires. NA may be
    being represented, but again, not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrael View Post
    That doll has a woman's head, with a male body with a five o'clock shadow
    She-Man???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrael View Post
    The many examples of Barbie that you posted reinforces
    this. Barbie is all about fashion as we can clearly see.
    Barbie is many things. There are a bunch of demographics they target spanning from children to adults. The children lines are mainly fashion-based. The adult collector lines are mainly based on re-creations (movies, celebrities, things based on art and other media).

    The Catwomen are based on the comics and the movie. Dolls of the World (Viking Princess) is to showcase different cultures. Athena is ancient Greek mythology (like Medusa).

    But how do you know Barbie fans are going to become MOTUC fans based off of one novelty figure?

    That's just it, we don't necessarily need the Barbie fans, the lines been
    doing well all on its own. Now if new fans want to come aboard then
    by all means, the more the merrier, however this would not be the
    ideal route to obtain them, especially if it backfires.
    There are a lot of MOTU fans that hate PoP and refuse to buy it (unless they bought a sub...then they have no choice ). I'm sure a lot of Barbie collectors remember She-Ra from when they were a kid or even had some of them. This would bolster interest in PoP from a completely different demographic. Maybe even enough interest to make a side PoP line where the figures are the same, but come with rooted hair and real material clothes. We'd still get PoP in MOTUC first, but then they would be released like updated 80's figures...which would really rock.

    Back to Barbie in MOTUC:

    If they do this, I have two ideas.

    1) If any Barbies are to be redone in MOTUC-style, the two that deserve it are the Guardian Goddesses: Sun Spell and Moon Mystic from the 70's. She-Ra was probably designed after Sun Spell:







    2) Just take a cool, existing MOTU character without a name, and make it Barbie. Name the beautiful blonde girl Barbie-ella (like Barbarella):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspecter View Post
    Barbie is many things. There are a bunch of demographics they target spanning from children to adults. The children lines are mainly fashion-based. The adult collector lines are mainly based on re-creations (movies, celebrities, things based on art and other media).

    The Catwomen are based on the comics and the movie. Dolls of the World (Viking Princess) is to showcase different cultures. Athena is ancient Greek mythology (like Medusa).
    When you break Barbie down to its very core, its about fashion. Regardless of
    the demographic being targeted, its about fashion. One thing Barbie
    is not, has never been or never will be, is a Barbarian from the world of MOTU.


    2) Just take a cool, existing MOTU character without a name, and make it Barbie. Name the beautiful blonde girl Barbie-ella (like Barbarella):
    Like who? what MOTU character has no name? wouldn't that be rather superfluous.
    Even giving her the name Barbie-ella wouldn't make her Barbie or a Barbie doll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Shokoti View Post
    She-Man???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrael View Post
    One thing Barbie
    is not, has never been or never will be, is a Barbarian from the world of MOTU.
    That's like saying Mo-Larr isn't a MOTU figure and never will be...until he was. Barbie probably never will be in MOTUC, but you never know. Stranger things have happened in this line (Mo-Larr, Gygor, everyone/thing being a clone and Evil-Lyn being Pandora. ).

    Like who? what MOTU character has no name? wouldn't that be rather superfluous.
    Even giving her the name Barbie-ella wouldn't make her Barbie or a Barbie doll.
    I posted a picture of her above. She's from MOTU. She's blonde, reminiscent of Barbie, is a warrior and has no name. We're not talking about making her a Barbie doll, just including Barbie in MOTUC...AS a MOTUC.

    Barbie has taken many forms. For example, in the Barbie lines, she's almost always "Barbie as." Barbie as Marilyn Monroe (before they made ones with her likeness, Barbie as Star Trek, Barbie as Agent Dana Skully from X-Files, Barbie as Wonder Woman (1999), etc.

    Barbie-ella would be Barbie AS a MOTUC, in the same style, to fit in with the line as a cross promotion, trying to appeal to a wider audience. This is not excessive or obsolete. The bigger the fan base gets for MOTUC (Robot Chicken guys jumping aboard, Barbie fans, etc.), the better chance we have of getting more things like: movies, comics, toys at retail...the possibilities are endless.

    Strong fanbases with big numbers = more products. This is a fun idea that may help with that, or at the very least (if they went with idea #2), get a cool looking female figure from 80's MOTU made.
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    Just chiming in for a second to say, when I first read the title of this thread, I was in the "Oh please no" camp. Then I kinda hopped on the fence after reading some of the posts, mostly by MGM, I started to see the potential in crossing these over to bring in more fans. Now, I think Darkspecter has won me over to the dark side. lol

    Either of those ideas are actually brilliant. Whether using one of those Barbies from the '70s (which TOTALLY look like POP characters), or naming the nameless damsel in distress something like "Barbie-ella", I don't think either of those would be far fetched to generally appeal to both audiences. Genius ideas man.

    Maybe they could save this type of release for a Comic-Con Exclusive, maybe for an upcoming Barbie anniversary or something? That way no one with a Club Eternia subscription will have to get one if they don't want it.
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