He-Man.org main page fan poll: Do you want 200x in MOTUC?

[Toymaker]

Of course.


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Aah, I thought option 1 covered all styles, I definatly want my NA!

[General_Rattlor]

I trust the 4 Horsemen.
I do not trust Mattel.
They took away the good Grizzlor Head.

I'm with you, Lipster. The Horsemen are good in keeping MotU alive by creating new, exiting figure designs, Mattel ist good in saving costs. Just compare the 200x prototype figures to the finally released versions. They kept some of the figure parts unpainted, cancelled figure weapons (Robotos 3rd weapon, fistos sword, etc.) and they released figures in the wrong scale, just to make them fit into the regular blisters. The horsemen can do a lot of good things while sculpting and painting the prototypes, but how the figure gets released is Mattels decision alone. So we have to watch them carefully. When they start cancelling figure parts or deliver bad quality figures, we have to raise our voices.

[Tyger]

The poll is set, folks.

A few of you are making this far more complicated than it needs to be.

The MOTUC line is what it is, and that won't change.
So the matter on the table is that 200x styling elements are being pulled back and extra 200x inspired heads axed.

So you either want them to remain (option 1),
you are fine with them being removed/dialed back (option 2),
you buy whatever and don't care (option 3),
or you have no interest in the line no matter what (option 4).

Thanks!

Hmmm where is the option for keeping subtle 2k design elements like the extra arms on Webstor and Buzz-Off, or Mer-Man's trident without the need for straight up 2k head sculpts like Whiplash and Marzo? I thought the recent decision was to eliminate 2k head sculpts from the line, while still incorporating any design elements/characters from all MOTU era's as long as they are reinterpreted within a "Classic" MOTUC style? This poll seems to imply that all 2k influence is to be eliminated along with the extra 2k heads, am I reading it correctly? It's unfortunate the poll is set, some further clarification of the options would be helpful to avoid the confusion already seen in this thread, it's crazy that a debate over the preferred direction of our favorite toyline has become so remarkably convoluted at times

[geooco]

Well, I voted for yes to 200x. More options, more choices, says I.

[MegaGearMax]

I mean how many people are even going to use the non-mustache head for Bow? That's not even 200x-related but just goes to show you extra heads aren't all that important. I don't even know why it's gotten to be this big of a deal...

With extra heads, just because you might not like a particular head doesn't mean someone else wouldn't.

You have fans of the original toy (Mer-Man's "Stinkor" head), Filmation fans (Man-At-Arms' Moustache Head), cardback fans (Mer-Man's cardback head) or 200X fans (Whiplash's head). Ask fans which head did they choose for Mer-Man, Man-At-Arms or Moss Man and the answers could go either way. I doubt anyone will say that those characters coming with extra heads was a bad move.

With POP specifically, when presented with the original toy head and the Filmation head, usually fans are going to go with the Filmation heads. The line is called Classics, but in that case, most fans won't like the classic POP heads, while POP fans will. In that case, the extra heads are absolutely necessary.

[Darkspecter]

I mean how many people are even going to use the non-mustache head for Bow? That's not even 200x-related but just goes to show you extra heads aren't all that important. I don't even know why it's gotten to be this big of a deal...

With POP specifically, when presented with the original toy head and the Filmation head, usually fans are going to go with the Filmation heads. The line is called Classics, but in that case, most fans won't like the classic POP heads, while POP fans will. In that case, the extra heads are absolutely necessary.

I'm happy She-Ra got her "Filmation" head, but I love her classic head, which is why I bought 2 She-Ras. I'm waiting for a third when she's re-issued so I can have her displayed mask up, mask down, Filmation head.

For the record, out of all MOTUC She-Ra's looks, I think mask down is the best.

...and I love that Bow has two heads. I was hoping for a crown and appearance like his toy had for the bonus head though (circular crown, brown hair)...but we have an all-new appearance which is kind of odd. It was kind of 200X-ized. I'm thinking Bow's mysterious third head must be the vintage toy style.

At any rate, I think i'll be displaying Bow with his now "tiara," because I like the nod to the toy and I think he looks more noble and heroic that way.

So in short...me.

EDIT: Also, the extra head in the case of Bow is *technically* his mustached head. So, if extra heads ever got canned altogether (not saying they ever will), that's the one that would have been nixed. Also, according to MOTUC rules, tiara Bow will be on the body when MOC.

So...all MOC collectors will be displaying the crown head.

[Ornclown]

Personally, I WANT 200x to be officially part of MOTUC (except for the endless variants and repaints).

200x-inspired heads, faceplates and accessories should be (re)integrated in MOTUC !

Vintage 80's MOTU should remain the main source, but 200x should be considered as a pleasant addition. 200x unique characters (such as Evilseed, Prahvus, Lord Dactys etc.) should be part of MOTUC as well ! MOTUC should celebrate ALL eras of MOTU and related universes (POP, NA, and... YES, even FILMATION) !

QFT! This is exactly how the MOTUC line should be handled!

[Count Marzo]

CM, I'm not trying to pick on you...but if you're mainly a MOC collector, how would extra heads or mini-comics effect you if you don't open the package to use either?

Mini comics are so awesome that they would FORCE me to open them now wouldnt they? Especially considering that most of the bios suck to me. And they aren't much of a story or "canon" anyways. I'd probably end up buying 2 of each then. *hint hint Mattel!*

Extra heads I couldn't give a **** about...

I don't play with my figures, I display them and then they collect dust. That and I don't have room for a loose display for things anymore.

With extra heads, just because you might not like a particular head doesn't mean someone else wouldn't.

You have fans of the original toy (Mer-Man's "Stinkor" head), Filmation fans (Man-At-Arms' Moustache Head), cardback fans (Mer-Man's cardback head) or 200X fans (Whiplash's head). Ask fans which head did they choose for Mer-Man, Man-At-Arms or Moss Man and the answers could go either way. I doubt anyone will say that those characters coming with extra heads was a bad move.

With POP specifically, when presented with the original toy head and the Filmation head, usually fans are going to go with the Filmation heads. The line is called Classics, but in that case, most fans won't like the classic POP heads, while POP fans will. In that case, the extra heads are absolutely necessary.

Yes, I agree some actually are important but in all honesty, not that many. You could give every figure a "200x" head if you wanted to, but I really don't see the purpose. I don't think the POP heads are that necessary at all. It's not like they are going to be anywhere near like the original POP "dolls" with the hair and such.

Seriously though, how many people are going to use the non-mustache Bow head? I'd like to know, time for a poll perhaps?

[JVS3]

Hmmm where is the option for keeping subtle 2k design elements like the extra arms on Webstor and Buzz-Off, or Mer-Man's trident without the need for straight up 2k head sculpts like Whiplash and Marzo?

(even though I'm quoting you, I'm not addressing you specifically, Tyger. )

The pulling back on 200x stylized details and the elimination of additional 200x head sculpts is the matter on the table.
And the poll question is:
Do you want 200x inspired alternate heads and sculpting elements in the MOTUC toy line?

Once again, please folks, don't make this more complicated than it needs to be. Some of you tend to make the rest of us look impossible to please to people who don't read these discussions in detail. Sorry to sound harsh (I don't wanna come across as a jerk), but the half a dozen/dozen fans who are really picky in these threads make offering these polls a nightmare when they are intended to help the fans. Don't do that!

So please, just vote on the
yes / no / will-buy-anything / not-interested-at-all
answers provided in the poll.
Thanks!

[Darkspecter]

Mini comics are so awesome that they would FORCE me to open them now wouldnt they? Especially considering that most of the bios suck to me. And they aren't much of a story or "canon" anyways. I'd probably end up buying 2 of each then. *hint hint Mattel!*

Extra heads I couldn't give a **** about...

I don't play with my figures, I display them and then they collect dust. That and I don't have room for a loose display for things anymore.

Okay, I gotcha. If/when they make new minis, they would be based on the bios though...I'm pretty certain. I still want them eventually though.

That's too bad about your lack of space! I've got that.

I don't think the POP heads are that necessary at all. It's not like they are going to be anywhere near like the original POP "dolls" with the hair and such.

Seriously though, how many people are going to use the non-mustache Bow head? I'd like to know, time for a poll perhaps?

Well, the non-mustached Bow will be displayed MOC (unless Mattel breaks another one of their "firm" rules)...so all MOC collectors.

If they canned the extra heads for PoP I would go on a rampage. I love the classic PoP figure designs and HATE the watered down designs and colours we saw in Filmation...which we're mainly seeing in MOTUC.

We were told the PoP figures would be solely based off the classic toys and the styleguide/licensing guide was off-limits. Then they changed their minds...now they say it's completely up to the 4H, but all PoP in MOTUC will have vintage toy colours.

So, since we were promised classic PoP sculpts, we darn well better continue to see extra PoP heads where they are necessary (like crown Bow and curly haired Sweet Bee and Glimmer)...and variants of the REALLY different designs, like Toy She-Ra and Toy Catra.

[bskcase]

As I posted elsewhere, I'm not that big of a fan of 200X. I like what I've seen so far, but I keep my figures in vintage style. On some 200X, they are ok, but I prefer vintage. Count Marzo is my weakest figure. I like the way he looked in 200X more than Filmation, but he just looks off scale. I think it's the head.

I cast my vote on new vintage.

[Battle_Brak]

I mean how many people are even going to use the non-mustache head for Bow?

Well you do know that the mustache head IS the extra head right? Unless Mattel breaks their rule, the clean shaven head will be the one that is on in the package as it is the original toy head. So essentially he wouldn't even have a mustache head if it wasn't an extra. I know I'm in the minority, but I would almost certainly display him with the clean shaven head, but we unfortunately haven't seen how it looks on his body yet.

[PrinceAdam101]

I will be using both heads for BOW. POP fans have had precious few things to be excited about with this line, let's not be getting all crazy and talk about taking away their stuff, now!

[Muscle of Grayskul]

I think the Four Horsemen should have the freedom in this line to take the best elements from each era when sculpting and crafting action figures, heads, and accessories. The line is selling like hotcakes, there’s no reason for corporate to crack down and put limitations on anything.

Exactly this!

[PrinceAdam101]

Hmmm where is the option for keeping subtle 2k design elements like the extra arms on Webstor and Buzz-Off, or Mer-Man's trident without the need for straight up 2k head sculpts like Whiplash and Marzo? I thought the recent decision was to eliminate 2k head sculpts from the line, while still incorporating any design elements/characters from all MOTU era's as long as they are reinterpreted within a "Classic" MOTUC style? This poll seems to imply that all 2k influence is to be eliminated along with the extra 2k heads, am I reading it correctly? It's unfortunate the poll is set, some further clarification of the options would be helpful to avoid the confusion already seen in this thread, it's crazy that a debate over the preferred direction of our favorite toyline has become so remarkably convoluted at times

Honestly, I think the point of the thread is to get you to support the extra heads by picking option #1. Can someone please explain why all this drama?

[Wulff]

I choose option 3, indifferent. I'm going to buy the figures however they are inspired.

I do like 200x influences on details to improve the old cheesy figures. Like a 200x head for Fisto or Leech would be vast improvements(not alternates I mean as the main head). I also like 200x characters in the line like Carnivus and Marzo.

What i definitely do not want though are 200x variant figures like Evilyn for Prince Adam. If they can think of a way to make it a new character, liek Zodak, then I'm all for it.

I also understand what TG mentioned about extra heads being expensive, especially with the complex paint apps. Sometimes you have to think about being cost effective.

[Mr. Shokoti]

I wonder if ToyGuru is regretting saying that the 2002 heads are gone from MOTUC? If he hadn't said anything, I'm sure he'd be getting a lot less hate mail than he probably has since Grizzlor-gate happened. If there is anymore bad news concerning the representation of different eras in the future, I think his best bet is to not say anything. He can always give a vague answer if asked about it in one of the Mattel Q&As so as not to upset the natives.

[MegaGearMax]

I wonder if ToyGuru is regretting saying that the 2002 heads are gone from MOTUC? If he hadn't said anything, I'm sure he'd be getting a lot less hate mail than he probably has since Grizzlor-gate happened. If there is anymore bad news concerning the representation of different eras in the future, I think his best bet is to not say anything. He can always give a vague answer if asked about it in one of the Mattel Q&As so as not to upset the natives.

I'd rather know if there were anymore bad news or cutbacks. Sure the news is bad and you're going to be unhappy, but I think it's better to have straight up bad news than find out something else has been cut when they debuted new figures.

I too have noticed Toyguru's silence. He's come out and spoken about lesser things. I'm hoping that he doesn't want to calm things down, so Mattel will notice the great uproar and reconsider their position on the alternate heads. The fans will have been fired up about this for almost a whole week come this Saturday.

[Daniel Lynch]

I mean how many people are even going to use the non-mustache head for Bow? That's not even 200x-related but just goes to show you extra heads aren't all that important. I don't even know why it's gotten to be this big of a deal...

Me! I'll have two Bows out on the shelf and one will not really be Bow anymore (prolly the non-mustache one) just as I treat my 2 Whiplashes, 2 Mer-Man (though I'm going to trade up to the vsDC one), 2 Man-At-Arms, and 2 Moss Men as separate characters.

The only double head figures I don't have two out on the shelf are Teela (the Goddess is used in that capacity), She-Ra (wasn't interested in the toy head), and Optikk (a friend missed out, so I gave him my double). I would've happily gobbled up a second Grizzlor just as I plan to buy 2 Royal Guard packs and 2 Bows.

I wonder if ToyGuru is regretting saying that the 2002 heads are gone from MOTUC?

I think this is exactly what he wanted. That's why I wrote the IAT article. We know that the 4H & Toy Guru want the 200x/MO2K influence and now they have visible response from the fanbase that they can take to the people telling him no. I don't know if we can change their minds, but this is playing out pretty well so far in my opinion.

[badmouse]

Firstoff i respect the opinion of all you guys so don't attack me after post

I never watched before the 200x serie cause i didn't like the anime style so im not 200x fan.

For me is complety fine got some small inspiration from 200x if it's looks really cool like Webstor.

I don't need 1 classic head and 1 200x head. I love vintage style.

Im not ussing the sword of teela, the extra head of MMA or the big 200x sword, wiplash extra head or that thing that you call 200x wiplash weapon, evil lyn long staff, moss man extra head, the extra head of the upcoming royal guards, the cancelled 200x extra face of Grizzlor, 200x Cond Marzo figure, 200x Zodak figure, the upcoming 200x Mix between ALF-thundercats and Chuwaka figure.

Im not interesing in BIG changes of the vintage design.

I know that TG and the 4H are doing the best they can for make the MOTUC line of the best way they can. And i really appresiate it without BUTs.

They will run in 200x figures in time so the don't will mix alot vintage with 200x big changes.

So my vote was only vintage style.

Sorry to all 200x fans, please don't attack me.

If you like 200x style is complettly fine forme. I like the vintage style

I don't like a

[Darkspecter]

Without extra 200X heads, we will get this head:



...and not this head:

[brian5104]

I think it's Mattel's BS way of extending the line and making more money....especially since Club Eternia collectors don't know what they're buying before they commit to the line.
I wouldn't be surprised if 200X figures start showing up in 2011.
I'll be ****** if the 2011 line includes a 200X inspired Man-at-Arms...or something stupid like that! It'll be a figure that doesn't have much interest...but collectors will be forced to pay an additional $20 due to the membership rather than include an additional head with new figures.

[MossMan710179]

Let the Horsemen ride free!!! Option A.

Ditto. With this news about the 200X elements and being a Star Wars fan this week, I feel like I bent over and took a swift kick to the ass... Only thing is Mattel and Lucas missed and hit something else Give us the 200X heads!!! Did the subs not sell as well as they hoped that in order to make budget they had to cut costs and the heads literally are rolling?...

[flitzi]

Without extra 200X heads, we will get this head:

I never noticed until now that the black asterisk on vintage Mantenna is supposed to be his mouth. I always thought it was a rather strange nose-symbol.

However, we won´t be getting the fabulous 200x head. Mantenan will most likely have 2 heads, but it will be all about his eyes. One head with eyes inside, one head with popped out eyes. I highly doubt that too many 200x influences will be seen on MOTUC Mantenna.

[gofigure]

I want all figures to be released 'classic style' , but if they want to add extra 200x parts, then by all means, let them.

I just hope this isn't some smoke and mirrors attempt at raising the prices.

Evil Mattel rep - "Fine. You guys overwhelmingly voted to include the 200x stuff with the figures, but we are going to have to raise the price to $22 per figure to cover the additional costs(which wouldn't really be additional since they have already been doing it)."

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and I would be pretty upset if Mantenna comes with big Dumbo ears and yellow beady eyes. Hopefully he will have 4 seperate legs though.