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    MVC Comics - Collected Info About Emiliano's Ideas for the Comic

    Hello everyone!

    It has recently come to my attention that this thread has, regrettably, become a source of contention between two paragons of MOTU-related lore. As I have explained to both parties, both have personally treated me with respect and friendship, and so I don't want to do anything that would seem like I'm trying to take a side. My admiration for what both parties have (and continue to) bring to the community is extreme. And, moreover, I just want to do whatever i can to maintain harmonious relations with my fellow collectors and fans, and help spread love for and knowledge related to the MOTU/POP mythos wherever I can.

    With that said, I have voluntarily (and sadly) chosen to re-post the information that was originally contained in this post as a locked document that only I can edit (to avoid any claims to the contrary). That document can be found here. Also, the full bible itself can now be found elsewhere, and it's definitely worth a read. Out of respect for all involved, I have chosen not to post a direct link here, but am nonetheless confident that those who seek this knowledge will just as surely find it on Facebook or elsewhere--just as Teela'Na found Castle Grayskull (the original storehouse of knowledge) when she sought aid in the Wastes.

    Rather than delete the thread in totum, however, I have left it in tact, so as to preserve the fascinating conversations that followed, and the wondrous artworks included on Page 5.

    Peace and good journey, my friends!
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    You might also want to put in there that the gem seed and Hero's staff were formed from a small portion of the star seed, the element that created the big bag. It reinforces how powerful the gem seed is and working with Light Hope from the book of living spells this was how the Gem Seed was able to begin the rebirth of Etheria.

    This also gives new meaning to the reasion why Light Hope said in the Filmation episode "Welcome She-Ra long have I awated your comming". The moment She-Ra enteres the crystal castle with the sword of protection both haves of the gem seed come into contact again as the other half of the gem seed still resides in the crystal castle.

    It would have been intresting to know if the star sisters would have been worked into the crystal castle lore, with the crystal caverns being just below it on sky dancer?
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    Excellent. Excellent thread. Most informative, and something that awaited to be formed.

    Emiliano at one point told many little nuggets about their plans for He-Ro and King Grayskull, which I tried picking up, and it's simply fantastic to have information surrounding that as well.


    While collecting information about the MVCreations' comic...

    I seem to recall Trap-Jaw being the one who picked up the remaining part of Shakarran Crystal at the end of Volume 1 Issue 4.

    Emiliano: can you confirm/deny this?




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    Thanks for gathering this info in one thread. I feel like this should be made a sticky.

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    Here's some more info on Illumina and her powers:

    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    Okay... here we go, this is what we can tell you for now about
    ILLUMINA
    She's an old Gar with light related powers. She can control lights and she can blind adversaries when she fights.
    Think Dazzler, but without the rock singer part
    She's a formidable fighter, especially with melee weapons; in general her fighting skills are equal if not superior to a young Man-At-Arms, and also to a young Dekker.
    She's also a great strategist and wanders Eternia as a sort of nomadic secret agent....
    Take part in Illumina Day! Let people know who she is and help get her in MOTUC.

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    Thanks, Angel-T—I went back and found the information in the original threads and added it!

    Jukka, I hope you're right about Trap-Jaw picking up the fragment at the end of that story. I've always wondered about that!

    Thanks, SlyVenom!

    Great catch, Darkspecter, and thanks for including the direct quote / link! Consider it added!

    Additionally, I went back and found some questions from those original threads that (as far as I can tell) went unanswered. Maybe Emiliano would be kind enough to share some more details with us now if he's able...

    Quote Originally Posted by PanMan View Post
    We heard the backstory on the Central tower and Grayskull tower, but what about Viper tower?? I can only assume it has something to do with the Snakemen. Any info you can divuldge on that?

    About the Shakaran crystal, who stole the shard at the end of issue 4?

    Did [Evil-Lyn] hear the sorceress reveal Adam's secret while in Castle Grayskull? She made a noise on that panel. If she did overhear this bit of info, would she keep it to herself or tell someone like Skeletor? Also, did you plan to have her turn good, because at the end of vol 3 issue 6 the Faceless One talks to He-Man about "sewing the seeds of rebirth rather than death" and that "the future will be made from such compassion...and wisdom". So perhaps Evil Lyn does know He-Man's secret now but she will protect it and turn good thanks to He-Man saving her life? Or am I reading too much into this
    Quote Originally Posted by Trodorne View Post
    Was Etheria going to be like a Binary star to eternia. cause even though they could be close together. like someone mentioned that eternia would have been shielded and hidden from the rest of the universe by the despondos barrier. cause it would explain how etheria could share the same moons but not be seen as they would be two far apart and revolve around each other.
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    what was up with Anwat Gar? I sense you guys were gonna delve further into it. Please do share.
    Quote Originally Posted by Telkan2 View Post
    (1) Can you shed some light on Marlena's origins (from an MVC-perspective)? Was she the descendant of Grayskull's bloodline, or was it Randor--I've seen conflicting answers over the years? (2) What about the Sorceress--can you tell us anymore about her, and what you may have had planned for her?
    Quote Originally Posted by gbagok View Post
    the info about Veena and the Sword of Protection has me wondering: is she connected to Angella somehow too? Would you have brought back Angella's kingdom in Mizar (with winged people like her), or was she to have been a unique being descendant from Veena (and therefore another distant relative of the Sorceress, Teela, and She-Ra and He-man)?
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel-T View Post
    I thought the whole of He-Ro's Staff was made from a protion of the star seed (gem included), thats why I thought the gem seed was also a part of the star seed because in your interview in toy fair you said the original staff was made from the starseed before it was melted down into the swords of power and protection. Is the gem on top of He-Ro's staff from somewhere else? In the interview your answer reads like the whole of He-Ro's staff came from the star seed.

    if Nordor (as an achient) knew Adam & Adora were destined to become He-Man & She-Ra how then did their identies remain secret in your story. When Adora turned against the Horde surely Horde Prime would have simply instructed Hordak to Kill the prince & princess while in there untransformed state? Maybe when Nordor was split into Horde Prime & The beast in the Sharkarian crystal he lost asscee to his full knowledge as an achient. I can't think of anyother way it would have worked out. This would also tie in with what the Sorceress said in SOTS when she said " he knew they were both destined for something special, but he didn't know exactly what!"
    Quote Originally Posted by King Tycho View Post
    Who were the other ancients? Were there any more stories planned for them? Were they to return when balance was restored to the universe?
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    Wow! This is one of the coolest threads on "the org" in a long time! The more of this info that makes it's way into MOTUC, the better!

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    A very interesting thread and a good initiative. Keep it going!

    I'm not sure I like all of these ideas, but it's cool to read about them. They're close to how the MOTUC canon is constructed, lots of people being related and lots of time/dimension travel...

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    This info sadly wont make it's way into MOTUC, its part of the extended MVC comic series "randor mini series". I think I saw it written on the boards somewhere Mattel had originally approved this new story arch, but they put it on ice when they started to kill off 200x MOTU in 2005. All this info was found in the MV creations comic book bible which is it's own cannon. Sadly Mattel have refused to let Val and Emiliano post the bible so fans could see where the comic was going. As far as I am concerned it's the biggest slap in the face they could give he-man.org. What harm could it do to the brand by letting the 200x fans see where this fantastic comic was going.

    But I know one thing, from the info that has been released by Emiliano it has filled in the blanks for my own personal cannon. Perticularly the story elements concernign the Gem Seed, sword of protection and the crystal castle and the ultimate destany for She-Ra, her purpose and the final explanation of her extra powers over and above he-man. I think val & emiliano knocked it out of the part with their planned story. Hopefully one day they will post the MVC comic bible and fans will finally be able to get the complete picture and see in detail the final ending we have been waiting for since our childhoods.

    I remember seeing it written somewhere an ending was planned.

    She-Ra & He-Man kill hordak;
    Skeletor is redeemed by raising the sword of power above his head and invoking the "I have the power" incantation;
    Skeletor becomes Keldor once more;
    Keldor then sacrafices himself, by distroying Nordor / Horde Prime by driving the sword of power through his chest!
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    Some additional questions I thought of:

    1. I was just looking at the sketch of Illumina's mount and realized that the Council of Wisdom's crescent symbol appears on the saddle. Is there a connection between the Council and Illumina (and by extension the Guardians of Grayskull) as well?
    2. What was the timeframe for the first of the Great Wars? Did it occur during He-Ro's / King Grayskull's life, significantly before, etc.?
    3. We know that Infinitia was left burning following Nordor's actions. What exactly did he do?


    Angel-T, the ending you were discussing wasn't set in stone. Emiliano was simply explaining how he and Val differed a bit in regards to the possible ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telkan2 View Post
    • Mer-Man [Inverse]:

      Other than Keldor, Mer-Man is the only heroic rebel that has been identified by name on the ‘inverse’ Eternia.
    Where was this exactly identified? I don't remember other than in the video by Unemployed Skeletor, he said by mistake Mer-Man, when he was actually referring to Man-At-Arms.

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    Also I would really like to know all the comic-revelations made in Roast Gooble Dinner -podcast, because they are better explained in the show actually.
    Like the part where Emiliano talks, that it was his own notion, that Kronis would be time-traveler. While a cool piece of information, I think it needs better description, so
    as not to be thought as something specifically planned for comic-verse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Also I would really like to know all the comic-revelations made in Roast Gooble Dinner -podcast, because they are better explained in the show actually.
    Like the part where Emiliano talks, that it was his own notion, that Kronis would be time-traveler. While a cool piece of information, I think it needs better description, so
    as not to be thought as something specifically planned for comic-verse.
    You probably already seen it but the entry for Kronis in the first post of this thread by Telkan2 has a bit about Kronis being a mutant sent back in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 13977 View Post
    You probably already seen it but the entry for Kronis in the first post of this thread by Telkan2 has a bit about Kronis being a mutant sent back in time.
    I know, and because it is there, is why I wanted to point out, that all info acquired from RoastGooble would get some clear marking of their own. Because sometimes in there they are in better context.

    This example is precisely that. In episode18, about 53:00min time, Emiliano states that the part about Kronis being a space mutant, sent in time, was his own personal view to MOTU.
    It is never said to have been anything that was planned for comic or put forward as that.
    So in that sense, if you include this information-tidbit into this thread that is about the 2002-2004 comic; I would have hoped a better way of describing this particular piece of information, since it is not one of those tidbits that Emiliano and Val were trying to implement to the comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    This example is precisely that. In episode18, about 53:00min time, Emiliano states that the part about Kronis being a space mutant, sent in time, was his own personal view to MOTU.
    It is never said to have been anything that was planned for comic or put forward as that.
    So in that sense, if you include this information-tidbit into this thread that is about the 2002-2004 comic; I would have hoped a better way of describing this particular piece of information, since it is not one of those tidbits that Emiliano and Val were trying to implement to the comic.
    Emiliano also talks a bit more about the Kronis time travel thing here:

    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...6&postcount=84

    There may also have been something about it in the Toyfair article, but I cant remember for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    I know, and because it is there, is why I wanted to point out, that all info acquired from RoastGooble would get some clear marking of their own. Because sometimes in there they are in better context.

    This example is precisely that. In episode18, about 53:00min time, Emiliano states that the part about Kronis being a space mutant, sent in time, was his own personal view to MOTU.
    It is never said to have been anything that was planned for comic or put forward as that.
    So in that sense, if you include this information-tidbit into this thread that is about the 2002-2004 comic; I would have hoped a better way of describing this particular piece of information, since it is not one of those tidbits that Emiliano and Val were trying to implement to the comic.
    Jukka -

    The info about Kronis in this "Collected Info About the Comic" thread predates what was mentioned on RGD. Here's the thread from October 2009 where potential comic plans were discussed.
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...=176156&page=4

    Telkan2 had asked if I could keep him posted on any RGD-referenced comic plans, so (as far as I know) the only things he has incorporated from RGD were the tidbits that I sent along. I made sure to only send him the things that were specifically mentioned as being planned for the comic (such as the Teela/Green Goddess info, Battle Cat talking, The Great Forge, etc.) If the words "planned for the comic" were not used, then the info was not sent. Therefore, nothing in the Kronis entry came directly from RGD. It already existed in this thread prior to being elaborated upon in that episode. Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Jukka -

    The info about Kronis in this "Collected Info About the Comic" thread predates what was mentioned on RGD. Here's the thread from October 2009 where potential comic plans were discussed.
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...=176156&page=4
    Oh cool! I've prolly missed that because Emiliano talked about it being his own idea, so I chalked it as something they couldn't even use in 2002-comic, after the revelation of Trap-Jaw's name and the background-info that was concucted for him.

    Telkan2 had asked if I could keep him posted on any RGD-referenced comic plans, so (as far as I know) the only things he has incorporated from RGD were the tidbits that I sent along. I made sure to only send him the things that were specifically mentioned as being planned for the comic (such as the Teela/Green Goddess info, Battle Cat talking, The Great Forge, etc.) If the words "planned for the comic" were not used, then the info was not sent. Therefore, nothing in the Kronis entry came directly from RGD. It already existed in this thread prior to being elaborated upon in that episode. Hope that helps.
    That is great. Soo now I'm confused; Emiliano has mentioned the Kronis being sent from future as part of his idea, and that they would have played NA-stories in the comic, but in RGD he makes a clear mentioning that it is only his own personal view.

    Where does the line go between Emiliano's own view to MOTU, and what would have ended up on the comic? LOL.

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    This is a fascinating thread. It appears that MOTUC isn't the only brand that has tried to create (to some degree) a cohesive story from all the differing ideas. In particular, He-Ro becoming King Grayskull; the existence of Sharella; and Queen Veena holding the Sword of Protection were quite ambitious efforts at fusing the different eras.

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    The big differences being, IMO, that MVCreations had:

    1.) The original idea to pull together a cohesive story from existing elements, and knew how to fit them together

    2.) A much better grasp and more meaningful understanding of the mythology

    3.) More skilled storytellers



    While not all of the ideas might have been everyone's cup of tea, I strongly suspect if this story had been allowed to play out that it would have become quite a memorable and iconic representation of the Masters of the Universe mythos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telkan2 View Post


    [*]Teela:

    Eventually Teela would replace her mother—the Sorceress—as protector of Castle Grayskull. Rather than calling herself ‘Sorceress’ however, she would be known as the ‘Goddess’

    It was in her capacity as the Goddess that Teela would eventually fulfill an ancient prophecy wherein a great Priestess would became both redeemer and leader of the Snake Men.

    As the Goddess, Teela’s skin took on a greenish tint. This was first seen during a confrontation with the wicked Snake Face. When he attempted to turn her into stone with his serpentine gaze nothing happened except Teela ‘flashed’ green.
    What is the endgame for Teela? She turns into the green Goddess? (AKA Snake Teela??) The term "redeemer" is used. Does this mean she merely sets the Snake Men free physically or actually "redeems" their minds and they become good and peaceful? And how does Adam/He-Man fit in to this?


    BTW: I would be happy to start a donation/fundraiser (or whatever it would take) for MV Creations or the artists to come back in some shape or form, one last time, to finish the story in the form of a graphic novel.

    Edit again: Never mind. I just read what was I believe was the "last of the last" of your series (#8, with Orko on the front) With a heavy heart, I see how this cannot be possible for the time being. My apologies for the igorant suggestion above. Thank you for the work that was put into the art and stories -it is a feast for the soul of MOTU fan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie View Post
    What is the endgame for Teela? She turns into the green Goddess? (AKA Snake Teela??)
    Teela having green tint to her skin, is not the same as being affected by Serpent Ring, and turned into a Snake-Woman with scales and everything.


    Edit again: Never mind. I just read what was I believe was the "last of the last" of your series (#8, with Orko on the front) With a heavy heart, I see how this cannot be possible for the time being. My apologies for the igorant suggestion above. Thank you for the work that was put into the art and stories -it is a feast for the soul of MOTU fan!
    Also if you are looking last "comic" version of MOTU adventures, be sure to get the MYP Cartoon Volume 3 -DVD, that has comic-version of Episode40, that was only finished in script-stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Also if you are looking last "comic" version of MOTU adventures, be sure to get the MYP Cartoon Volume 3 -DVD, that has comic-version of Episode40, that was only finished in script-stage.
    That comic can also be read here, but the pages are a little out of order:
    http://www.he-man.org/publishing/item.php?id=2274

    Quote Originally Posted by Gracie View Post
    What is the endgame for Teela? She turns into the green Goddess? (AKA Snake Teela??) The term "redeemer" is used. Does this mean she merely sets the Snake Men free physically or actually "redeems" their minds and they become good and peaceful?
    I interpret this as she actually redeems their mind/spirits and they become good again, the way they were before the Unnamed one corrupted them.
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    Is there a PDF file of #40 available somewhere?? Or can we still use Vol 3 of the MYP series to access it?


    EDIT: I know it's on the org and have read it but I'm interested in printing it.
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    Thanks for the replies and invaluable information. Though I will always be a Filmation fan, I really like the comics from MV Creations.

    4-16-11: Well after many hours of searching, I finally put the complete vol. 3 together! In several days I will finally have the conclusion to Evil-Lyn's story. Whew! My MV Creations collection is mostly complete. (Thank you Graham Crackers & eBay!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by colt44 View Post
    Is there a PDF file of #40 available somewhere?? Or can we still use Vol 3 of the MYP series to access it?
    Yeah its on the actual dvd of MYP Vol3, it's not an internet link or anything so along as you've got the dvd you will always be able to get it off that. Just browse/explore the DVD in My Computer and its in a folder called something like Common\62 then inside is the PDF file of the comic.
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