I deffinatly think Hordak should be #1 in command ... none of this Horde Prime or Horde Supreme #$%@!
thats a pretty cool personal canon Jean!
I deffinatly think Hordak should be #1 in command ... none of this Horde Prime or Horde Supreme #$%@!
I grew up with the filmation Hordak, though I enjoyed and wanted more of the 200x. But Eternia has always been about both magic and science, with Hiss and Skeletor being magic, Hordak is the needed science villan. The way I see it, Eternia was all magic pre Horde invasion. Then they slowly incorporated science, which soon dominated the kingdom, which explains why there are no magic users among the Masters. The Sorceress does not count as she is an outsider to Randor's Kingdom. Same as Orko whose magic is allowed due to it being used just for entertainment.
Never cared for Buzz-Saw Hordak, did not want him when I saw him in the stores as a kid, but was ok with the Arm Canon, in fact maybe we can talk Spy Monkey into making something.
I love Horde Prime, he creates the bigger picture that even defeating Hordak will not stop the Horde, they are too big and too dangerous. And makes me want a story on who is equal of above Hordak. If Hordak keeps failing with his sectors, they may send someone bigger and badder, with a crew equally or more dangerous than Leech, Grizzlor and the others. And who knows, maybe this guy or girl has a better mix of science and magic. Hordak's bio does say he is the second born heir to the Horde Empire, so who is the first?
Besides Optikk's bio says Skeletor defeated Hordak and turned his attention to the Horde Empire, forming an army of mutants and outcast to conquer the universe. He formed that Army because he knew taking over the Horde did not stop at Hordak.
Even though I have all the Playsets minus Eternia, I thought the FrightZone was the cheesiest, It was not worthy of The Horde. Maybe a base for Grizzlor on Beast Island, and torture captured prisoners, but Not worthy of a Army.
So in closing, Skeletor may be a threat to Randor's Kingdom, and Grayskull, but Hordak and the Horde should be a threat to not only Eternia, but the entire universe.
I love the Horde as an intergalactic Empire, there are enough small factions of villains. The science/technology of the Horde makes them unique, and a needed contrast to all the other groups. Being an empire really opens up so many story possibilities.
I don't get why anyone would want to relegate all the villains (in small factions) to one or two planets. That is so boring and gets old very fast.
I love the 200X series, but I didn't like the direction of the Horde. I don't know if they were going to introduce the empire idea, but Hordak being yet another typical magic user would be redundant.
I loved that the Horde were a force to be reckoned with and that they were the dominant force on Etheria. And it seemed like they not only controlled Etheria, but other planets and perhaps even other universes.
Adora and her fellow rebels of the Whispering Woods were in the minority and had very little chance of successfully ever defeating the Horde even with the assistance of She-Ra.
I don't mind if Hordak rules a galactic empire but it must be Hordak who rules. No Horde Prime!
Horde Prime is a ridiculous concept that debased Hordak and turned him into a mockery by his very presence.
As far as I'm concerned, Hordak and only Hordak is the Ruthless Leader of the Evil Horde!
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The Horde in my canon:
First there only was Horde Prime. He's like a cross between Galactus and the devil. Either you pledged alleigance to him or watch as your world is drained of life and assimilated into HP.
He fought He-Ro on Eternia, but none could win... HP tried to destroy the planet, but He-Ro was able to deliver a fatal blow. He-Ro died in the process of Saving Eternia. (Eldor and Granamyr Bind He-Ro's Soul to his staff and Forge a Greatsword out of it.) Horde Prime's death created a parallel world to Eternia... Etheria.
Hordak was born as a Physical manifestation of Horde Prime's Will. Throughout Millenia Hordak gained a will of his own... and a massive Army in order to conquer the one World HP couldn't take... Too bad that a super strong descendant of He-Ro thwarted the whole thing.... (Carrying an old greatsword with the power of his ancestor within BTW) This King dies in the process and his soul is bound to the sword that splits in two. (One of the swords has a nice gem on it.) Now trapped in this other dimension Hordak re-amasses another army in order to conquer Eternia. Drawn to worlds were HP's presence could be felt Hordak eventually arrives on Etheria where he bides his time to return to Eternia and finally take over it to squash the last remnant of HP.
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I'm pretty much in tune with DO4M.
In my cannon, Horde Prime is almost a Shakesperan tragedy. The original Horde was a conquering nation with advanced technology. The original horde conquered universe and dimension after another, but the original ruler, the father of Hordak and the unnamed first born. The first born son sought to usurp his father and in doing so, made a pack with an ancient evil god. The first born struck down his father and became Horde Prime. He also corrupted and changed Hordak.
Like all deals with the devil, things go bad and the first born son was corrupted and the ancient god became horde prime and brought back dark magics. Combining magic and technology, the Horde became unstoppable.
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I like the galactic empire Horde.
I always thought that He-Man needed an enemy that he could actually think twice and feared. Skeletor in my opinion just wasn't a suitable arch enemy for He-man.
Now he has to take on a whole empire to defend Eternia, now that's an enemy.
I like the Filmation Horde set up and imagery as a galactic empire but with the ruthless no-jokes seriousness of MYP. I like the Horsemens' Hordak design more than the Filmation one though, and same goes for all the Horde members we saw in 200X (and I'm wild for Emiliano's Shadow Weaver rendering). I want Horde Prime, but I want Hordak more important than a mere branch manager as well (no Inspector Darkney or other Hordesmen outranking him). Hordak is second only to Horde Prime, who is more of a god-like being than another guy who takes as active a role as even the Filmation version did. But Anything less than that is, well, less in my view.
I like best the situation where Hordak and a small group of his generals get back to Eternia but are unable to bring their full empire with them for a while, thus recreating the situation in the original mini comics at least temporarily. I also like Hordak searching Eternia for his buried war machines like the Monstroids and maybe people like Dragstor (and Extendar), his creations from long ago. Yes, Hordak uses technology, more so than other MOTU villains, but he is also still a sorcerer as well and doesn't despise magic as he did in Filmation. Shadow Weaver and Catra run the Horde on Etheria, but are working at trying to reopen the gateway to Eternia. The Horde are cross-franchise villains. They are not just She-Ra's or just He-Man's foes. Heck, they were trouble even for Preternia. I also imagine them being at odds often with the Cosmic Enforcers, engaged in a kind of Apocalypse/New Genesis cold war with Eternia at stake.
Skeletor doesn't not kill Hordak. He might beat him in a battle, but Hordak will not go down forever like that, and Imp urinates on anyone who would have it otherwise. Ha!
BTW, I like the Snake Men as the inter-demensional empire they were said to be in the original mini comics as well.
I always saw them as more of a gang, a group of bad-@$$ trouble makers.
I like it the way that it was done in MYP, or at least how I perceived it to be.
Hordak be an extremely powerful sorcerer and should be the only leader of the Horde. He should have a group of elite warriors (Grizzlor, Leech, etc) with a gigantic army.
I like him as King Grayskull's archnemesis and then eventually He-Man's arch nemesis, at least when Skeletor has been a little overdone and needs a break before returning (possibly by joining up with He-Man against Hordak).
I loved the Horde as a massive, relentless, and marauding army of interstellar conquerors from the cartoon. What I didn't like about Filmation's Horde was how Grizzlor and Scorpia appeared to be a bumbling dolts, Mantenna appeared to be a cowardly yes-man, and Hordak appeared to be an arrogant, narcissistic idiot half the time. Leech and Modulok weren't used enough, in my opinion... Catra and Shadow Weaver were the only ones who appeared to have their acts together... Well, maybe not Catra. I could only wish that if we ever see the Horde in animation or filmic form again, they are much more merciless and forboding. Mind you, I loved She-Ra and the whole concept of the Rebellion against the Horde, I just hated how the villains were portrayed. Skeletor & co. suffered similar fates of stupidity on Eternia. Villains should be menacing and not hokey.
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Yeah, I always saw Hordak as the total, supreme leader of the Horde. An old, powerful and wise being, extremely patient and calcuating. Fomulating strategies and setting plans and schemes into motion that would have effects many years later. He would use all elements of the universe to increase his power and control, from magic to technology, all was incorporated to his legions and himself.The Horde would be an empire-like organization. Mantenna, Grizzlor, ect. were his generals and lieutenants commanding and coordinating the armies of Horde Troopers. They would scour the galaxy invading planets, subjugating the populace and placing Horde-controlled "govenors" or dictators on each planet to maintain control. They would then use the planet for it's resources, Troop conscripts and strategic positions throughout the galaxy.
Where as Skeletor was always obsessed with He-Man and Castle Grayskull and ruling Eternia, to Hordak (who has a much more grand and wider vison for his evil ambitions) Eternia was simply another planet to conquer, and Keldor another tool to use to meet that end. Of course he didn't count on the events that would transpire. After so many hundreds of years of careful planning and insidious plotting, he finally made a mistake in using Keldor as his way to take over Eternia. When he became Skeletor, his madness and sole focus on Eternia and getting his revenge threw a huge monkey wrench into Hordak's plans, and he had no idea of the problems both Keldor/Skeletor and the Masters would eventually give him. as well as his ultimate destiny and fate to be intertwined in this small world that should have fallen to his power, if not for his greatest instrument turning against him.
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I prefer Hordak to be the ruler of that sector of the Horde; it makes the Horde Empire seem a lot more vast throughout the galaxy/universe, and with Horde Prime/Supreme as their leader, the simple fact that Hordak is that incredibly powerful and strategic just implies the level of strength and power the Horde has built up over time.
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loved the toys of the horde as a kid but was turned off by the She-Ra cartoon. I was blown away with the 200x cartoon & 200x comics. they done a great job. love that Hordak is so powerful yet there is a horde prime. that gives so much more room for more story.
My Horde Empire is the galactic empire sort heavily dependent on science and technology for their conquests. The good guys have magic (supposedly the strongest source of magic in the universe: Castle Grayskull). There is no way the villains can overpower them magically so The Horde has to resort to technology. Horde Prime is the technological beast in charge and Hordak is his right hand man who has decided to blend his technology with magic. Each Horde member is in charge of their own Horde Trooper armies with their own specialities.
Grizzlor's army is trained as shock troopers who are brought in just to cause as much terror and wanton destruction in beserker style as possible.
Leech's army is trained as demolition/explosives experts knocking out the enemy's power and resource supplies.
Mantenna's army is trained for recon/long range fighting for surgical and precision strikes. They have the best sharpshooters and snipers in The Horde.
Modulok's army is trained as tech support/communications used to better coordinate attacks and battlefield repairs. They use available resouces in the field and adapt them to suit The Horde's needs.
Catra's army is trained for espionage and guerilla fighting tactics.
Dragstor's army is trained for heavy artillery and ground support. Basically, they're the vehicle drivers and the big guns.
Mosquitor's army is trained for air support. They are the ace pilots of The Horde.
Multibot's army is trained for multi-environmental fighting specialists. If the planet under Horde siege is an aquatic one or an artic one or an arboreal one, Multibot has the Horde Troopers needed for expertise in that arena.
And the best troops from each army are sent to Hordak for use as his army. Plus Hordak has his own specialized troops trained by Shadow Weaver in the use of the dark arts.
That's how I like my Horde...
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But since I liked the Toys/He-Man better (than PoP) and the Horde came on He-Man blisters as part of his line, I felt those characters somehow came over to eternia and became a kind of marauding band, based out of their new "Fright Zone" encampment. Cut off from the main empire so now a smaller, tighter, more viscious dangerous outfit.
The New Bio's seem to add to my childhood belief, in at least the Horde seem to come to Eternia in the "Modern" era during Adam's He-Man.
I love how so many of us have similar notions.
For me, The Horde is a manifestation of the darkest evils possible. Horde Supreme is an ancient force, akin to what we'd call the Devil. Seeking to gain a foothold in Eternia, he placed a sleeper agent in the form of Elder Hec-Tor Kur. Activated, and armed with an army by Horde Prime, Hordak turned on the elders and waged war on the forces of Grayskull. After Grayskull banished Hordak from Eternia, The Fright Zone (toy version) fell to ruins.
Being the dark things that bump in the night, The Horde builds their army with the youths stolen away in raids. Grizzlor, Adora, Catra, Shadow Weaver, etc. Each brainwashed and manipulated to be an agent of evil. And like Grizzlor, they went down in history as legendary monsters.
During the banishment, Hordak, in an effort to gain favor with Supreme, and one up Prime, began assimilating technology from the countless worlds they ravaged. It became a battle between the two resulting in Horde Prime's complete transformation into a cybornetic creature. When Keldor sought to learn magical ways, he found a portal to where Hordak was, and unwitingly fell into a trap. Hordak had manipulated him into looking for him in the first place.
Hordak began a suduction of Keldor, teaching him everything about magic and technology, about Despondos, Infinita, and every other dimension, in order for him to wedge his way back to ruin the Grayskull line.
When Keldor brought him back to Eternia, they set up camp at Snake Mountain and thus began the war resulting in Adora's kidnapping and Skeletor's reveal. And there is a skeleton race of Infinita, under the Horde's thumb, (explaining the army of Infinitians in the early mini comics).
Hordak raised Adora in the Fright Zone (tv show) and after loosing her, he decided to return to Eternia. But there was a catch. Horde Supreme said he could only take a small group, and as Skeletor was in control of Snake Mountain, Hordak had to use the ruins of the ancient Fright Zone. So he came to Eternia with Leech, Mantana, Grizzlor, and Modulok. Shadow Weaver, Catra, Scorpia, Octavia, and Entrapta, and Double Trouble were left in command on Etheria (explaining why the men aren't seen in the Mini Comics)
While on Eternia, Hordak manages to recruit some of the risen Snake Men, and they venture back and forth to Etheria. Then, Hordak goes against Horde Supreme's wishes and brings his entire army back to Eternia to destroy Grayskull once and for all. Horde Supreme allows him to do this, because he will take the power, should it be won, but if not, and WHEN Hordak fails, Horde Supreme is done with him.
I love an all inclusive canon!
MYP was my favorite version. I dislike what Filmation did to MOTU for the most part, the Horde included.
I'm in tune with what many people have said.
I like the idea of a galactic empire, and a reliance on technology. But the idea of Hordak as just some governor turned me off from the Filmation version. Not just that, but a hilariously inefficient one. I don't like the idea of one of the major baddies in the MOTU univerese being, as someone put it, "middle-managerial evil". He should be either in charge, or second-in-command.
The minicomics and UK comics tended to treat him more the way I wanted to see Hordak.
Intergalactic Empire. Hey, it worked for Darth Vader(who had the Emperor as his boss and still was the more important villain). Besides, the people have already spoken...
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