I have done exactly the same thing. I recently started watching the A-EMH and I am thoroughly enjoying it, only to come here and see everything is changing.Originally Posted by Alexx
Obviously, it is only speculation because nothing is official yet but if the new Avengers cartoon is not as well received then doesn't that make it a failure? How do these people keep their jobs at the top when everything they do turns to crap?
I love this show, my god I just re-watched all of the S2 eps so far and I just hope they can finish it up before any potential changes by Loeb and crew destroy it.
I feel like I am watching the 90's X-Men or Disney's Gargoyles when I watch this show, the writing, the pace its all hit its stride.
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Very sad to hear about Loeb killing the show and maybe even ruinning the second half of season 2, I think I never liked any Marvel animated show as much as this one.
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Is it a done deal that Loeb has killed it?
No, we should know by SDCC though as that will most likely be where any new Avengers shows will be announced (thus killing this one for good)
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I'm all caught up through the Michael Korvac episode. Pretty good so far, and the subplot set in place at the end of season 1 seems to be progressing pretty well. The Asgard subplot introduced is interesting as well.
I hate the new opening.
The show might go on hiatus
http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/05/...f-s-m-a-s-h-2/Many discussions have been taking place regarding Avengers EMH (which is ending after this season) and how it could be the reason people are watching Ultimate Spider-man, since it broadcasts prior to the hit show Avengers. To make sure this isn’t the case, there will be many instances where Disney XD will air a new episode of Ultimate Spider-man while putting Avengers: EMH on a short hiatus. (AgentX and many Marvel guys believe that Avengers EMH brings the biggest number of viewers to watch Ultimate Spider-man)
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That's a must read article. Pretty scathing stuff about Spider-Man and the upcoming Hulk cartoons.
Hulk Agents of SMASH can be described as a mindless action show, with no character development and no intelligent stories.Sounds like Jeph Loeb alright.Hulk Agents of SMASH, is a bit diffirent than Ultimate Spider-man, but still geared towards children. According to AgentX, the episode stories of the show are very simple, under-explained and many times don’t make sense at all.DC Nation, here i come.
Any reason why the Marvel animated movies stopped with that Young Thor movie?
Not surprising at all, especially the part about continuity. But what is surprising is he doesn't care with in context.Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.
Kids have been watching Power Rangers forever which has some continuity and many other shows. I agree they do need to bring in the young, the problem is they go about it one of two ways; 1) speaking the way they think kids speak 2)talking down to the kids in a way they think kids should be talked to, both however miss the point. I find it interesting the problem here is with Disney a company that has been in the past (and many ways in the present) for understanding the ability to both keep older and younger fans without doing either of the previous two. I look at Pixar, and I know many parents who have gotten into some of the more recent live action shows with their kids and their kids held similar views on those shows.
The problem I think I see is they won't want to break the fourth wall because they think people don't like it. It's more an issue of how they are doing it, like a reality show? Seriously people don't like them as much as executives think they do, most people who I know watch them religiously it's like looking to see if they know anyone in the eighteen car pile up, to watch how moronic the people are and laugh at them, and the fact that it's often this reality show or this one when you decide to watch TV at certain times. People loved to see Snooki get punched, they didn't feel bad for her.
Saved by the Bell is a great way to break the fourth wall. She-Hulk is also (I think her sales tend to be more related to female lead comics just don't sell).
There is also a difference in childlike and childish humour. But I will stop the rant now, with this I don't think Disney is the one to blame fully, Loeb who has been with Marvel for a while now is the one to blame. But then I don't like the guy, and a recent conversation with a 6th grader they think his stuff is funny in the laugh at the kid who just dropped his books in the hallway.
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I'm pretty sure that was the end of their deal with Lion's Gate, and they haven't developed anything new 'in house' yet.
Jeph Loeb's facebook page was taken down after it was swarmed with complains.
So what exactly is the logic behind this? He wants to create new fans of marvel comics by basically having each episode a stand alone story with no connection to the others? How will that make fans or even prepare them for comics where they can over reaching stories that last for months (if not years), "episodes" that last nto just 2 or 3 editions of a single characters comic series but can also involve the series' of other character both majorly and minor and where everything is in continuity unless there has been a major retcon or else happened in another universe...and even then sometimes what happened or has been changed can still be considered to be in continuity some timesJeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.
I'm sorry but I just don't see the logic behind his thinking? All he is doing is dumbing marvel down, that won't make fans that will turn people off
I fully blame Marvel, Disney has been very hands off just like they are with Pixar and ABC
This is all on Loeb and crew
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They should replace Loeb ASAP for someone that actually worked in comics before hand he has not a clue...
I am surprised this didn't happen sooner, but I guess it took a crisis level event for people to mobilize.Jeph Loeb's facebook page was taken down after it was swarmed with complains.
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Obviously Jeph Loeb thinks he knows what fans want or people like, the problem is that what he thinks does not really coincide with reality
his books tend to sell well, he also won some fairly prestigious awards so I can see where he would think that. The problem is the reality TV issue I brought up earlier. People don't watch it the way executives think they do.
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Well I meant his recent tv work such as Ultimate Spider-Man or cancelling the Avengers, both stupid ideas by him because no doubt he thinks that is what people want (or do not want as the case may be).
Oh and I agree with your reasoning behind people watching "reality" shows (tho they are about as much "reality" as an episode of Dark Shadows) but I personally don't watch them for the very reasons you point out why people do watch them
Still I have to wonder what awards he has won? I mean are the fan choice awards? Polls? that kind of thing. Because those are the only ones I trust. I don't think an award really counts when it is handed to someone from people in their own entertainment fields as it is normally just a bunch of people patting themselves on the back and brown nosing as they congratulate each other on yet another marvelous piece of artsy fartsy nonsense that lesser people (like the general public) just wouldn't understand (that is why I also do not like the Oscars)
Loeb's books sell well because he gets top artists to work with him - and he does it by crafting stories around what they want to draw. It makes for happy artists, but bad stories.
He does have a knack for out of continuity, nostalgia based stories - but only when he works with Tim Sale.
But what he's doing with the cartoons is all ego. He wants them to be his voice and what he feels is the best.
This sounds like the ship has sailed on Avenger EMH and the only question now is if its departure will hurt the Ulti-**** Spider-Man. Dammit! I'm all for boycotting that Spider-Man show, which sounds like the clearest message anyone can send, but this seems like the worst thing they could have done following Avengers' success at the box office. I already want them to cry silver dollars for ending Spectacular Spider-Man and letting Greg Weisman slip away to DC (and just like WB losing Joss Whedon on Wonder Woman so he was later free to make Avengers--thank GOD for that at least!). But this...geesh, I hope the backlash ends Loeb's influence or at least starts that ball rolling. It's just painful to see them mess up another really good Marvel show.Many discussions have been taking place regarding Avengers EMH (which is ending after this season) and how it could be the reason people are watching Ultimate Spider-man, since it broadcasts prior to the hit show Avengers. To make sure this isn’t the case, there will be many instances where Disney XD will air a new episode of Ultimate Spider-man while putting Avengers: EMH on a short hiatus. (AgentX and many Marvel guys believe that Avengers EMH brings the biggest number of viewers to watch Ultimate Spider-man)
It sounds worse, more like he thinks he knows what people should like regardless of their telling him otherwise.Obviously Jeph Loeb thinks he knows what fans want or people like, the problem is that what he thinks does not really coincide with reality
I almost get the point about kids, little kids, liking shows that don't have multi-episode stories. I mean as a kid I didn't watch Robotech because it was so serialized and I wanted a beginning and preferred closure to my entertainment. But by the time I was 11 I was watching it anyway without ever seeing the first episodes. If the show appeals, I think most viewers will get into it. I don't understand catering only to the really young now though. Is the feeling that now that Marvel movies are there to please the older fans that the animated stuff is purely there to introduce this stuff to toddlers? If that's the mindset it seems archaic. I'm surprised if Disney isn't behind it in any way because it does sound like their buisness model. The Disney Store used to cater to adults as well as kids--maybe too much to adults I'll grant--but now it's all princess costumes and crummy overpriced toys. I'm sure it makes money, but not as much having all that as well as stuff for older fans too would make.
how can marvel make such great decisions with their movies and such poor decisions with their toons?
Different people are in charge.
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i realize, but ultimately, you'd think they'd be on the same page.
anyway, what are the ratings for avengers? i don't know. is it possible it's liked mostly by us nerds, but it doesn't hit the kid target audience and therefore the ratings aren't what they need them to be? sadly, critical success doesn't always mean commercial success.
Serialized shows made me even more interested in seeing the old episodes. Starblazers, Robotech, Flash Gordon?
I love continuity. If I jump in the middle of something I'm interested in, eventually I'll come up to speed.
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