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    Clarification about MOTUC on Cyber Monday
    Q: Hi ToyGuru This is what your reply was to a question about MOTUC on cyber monday.

    "He-Man, Skeletor and Battle Cat are the limited to the MOTUC items on Cyber Monday."

    Did you mean that the Reissues of He-Man, Skeletor & BattleCat are the only MOTUC being offered on cyber Monday? You stated these were reissues and not left over limited customer service stock, So my question is are there other MOTUC's to be offered that are left over customer service stock? You don't have to say who they are just tell us if there will be more MOTUC's besides He-man, Skeletor & Battlecat.

    A: The MOTUC items offered on Cyber Monday are not remaining customer serviced stock. They are an all new run for that sale. Some items sold on Cyber Monday will be remaining stock, but not these items. It is a new run for all three figures with the "The Orignal" burst.
    Why is it that whenever a question like this is asked, where we're ALL looking forward to a good answer, that they skip over the real question and answer something completely different! Unless of course that they did answer it, just inbetween the lines, i.e., there won't be any other MOTUC's on Cyber Monday.

    I think the actual 1-sentence questions need to be in bold so it's not so hard for them to see what we want to know, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KalesDad View Post
    Why is it that whenever a question like this is asked, where we're ALL looking forward to a good answer, that they skip over the real question and answer something completely different! Unless of course that they did answer it, just inbetween the lines, i.e., there won't be any other MOTUC's on Cyber Monday.

    I think the actual 1-sentence questions need to be in bold so it's not so hard for them to see what we want to know, lol.
    It was answered right in the question:"He-Man, Skeletor and Battle Cat are the limit[] to the MOTUC items on Cyber Monday." I can see the confusion if Toy Guru said that they were the limit to the MOTUC re-issues, but he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    "I imagine when an if we get to Man-E-Faces we would eventually doboth decos (much as we did for Tri-Klops sword). No plans right now onany specifics, deco, release or fan voting for him. Stay tuned."


    What is with the "if"? There better not be an "if" we get to Man-E-Faces. If this figure doesn't get made I will get rid of my entire collection and be mad... and pout like a baby. And stomp my feet on the ground... and cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockinHard View Post
    Well, guess I'll never see it since it isn't available anywhere. I'm a horror buff and never heard of that one, but looks like I'm SOL.
    I have it on VHS if you want to borrow it. (don't think it's ever been released on DVD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super He-Man View Post
    It was answered right in the question:"He-Man, Skeletor and Battle Cat are the limit[] to the MOTUC items on Cyber Monday." I can see the confusion if Toy Guru said that they were the limit to the MOTUC re-issues, but he didn't.
    Ahh, so this time it was my own confusion that confused me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mekaneckpain View Post
    "I imagine when an if we get to Man-E-Faces we would eventually doboth decos (much as we did for Tri-Klops sword). No plans right now onany specifics, deco, release or fan voting for him. Stay tuned."


    What is with the "if"? There better not be an "if" we get to Man-E-Faces. If this figure doesn't get made I will get rid of my entire collection and be mad... and pout like a baby. And stomp my feet on the ground... and cry.

    I don't think you have to worry. Right now they are saying "if" to everything. Hell, in their current mindset they would have said this at the start of the line: "If we get to He-Man..."

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    This makes no sense at all:

    "That is easy.
    For the re-release of both He-Man and Skeletor we used a "design" slot to correct them since they are the two most important characters and it was worth "sacrificing" another new character to use that slot to correct our main characters.
    For Roboto, we do want to use a "design" slot to fix him down the line as well, we just don't have plans right now since currently all of our current "design" slots (vs "rerelease" slots)are already allocated to all new figures (at least for 2011 and 2012)
    We can make a minor paint change for a "rerelease" slot, but once we change the physcial figure such as flipping the shoulders or using a different hand it becomes a "design" slot and we are limited in the number of overall design slots we have for the line.
    Hope that helps! "

    No, it doesn't help, as it doesn't wash. There is no design work involved here whatsoever; this was an assembly problem. According to what Mattel has told us, the factory was informed of the problem with the shoulders when some of the samples came in backwards; the factory simply put the figures together wrong anyway.

    THere is no similarity between Skeltor's hand and Roboto's shoulders. Skelly's hand was actually changed; the mold itself had to be altered or completely re-done to make the grip tighter. Both He-Man and Skeletor's re-release also had the newer, skinnier hip joint that didn't spread the legs as much. That's a change in the actual molds used to make the figures, so I can see that would be a new slot. Deciding on using a different hand would also require breaking out a different mold; again, I can see where that would require a new slot.

    THere is NO difference between changing He-Man's face paint and Roboto's shoulders. Both involve NO design changes whatsoever, only a change in instructions to the factory. "Use less or no paint on the eyes" and "assemble the existing Roboto parts as we originally instructed you to."

    There isn't a single change to any mold or paint mask. No change even to the color scheme. THere is NO change whatsoever from the original design, no physical change AT ALL to any part produced. Nothing is being "switched." The only change would be that the factory actually assemble the figure as instructed this time, which requires no more work than changing He-Man's "I went on a binge" red eyes. If something like that requires an actual slot, then Mattel has no understanding of it's own production process, and needs to re-examine its policies.
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    Yeah Scott. I don't think this is something that can be reasoned out rationally. It obviously has nothing to do with "design". It is just another restrictive Mattel rule seeking to apply shackles to the long-term success of MOTUC. Just like the rules about 200x heads and Keldor's 200x double-blades.
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    It seems that it is too complicated for Mattel to have the factory people Swap the shoulders before fusing the Torso pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanmarsh View Post
    It is just another restrictive Mattel rule seeking to apply shackles to the long-term success of MOTUC.
    And that's my main concern; I'm not trying to "call out" TG on this point. I'm trying to point out that, if this is indeed the correct application of Mattel policy, then that policy is taking resources away from development in a ridiculous and meaningless way. If every Grizzlor is made with two left hands, we'd need to sacrifice another figure simply to have him re-made the way he was originally designed to be manufactured?

    Given the poor excuse for QC Mattel practices right now, this could be a major issue, especially for a small line with limited resources to begin with. Requiring a full slot to correct a simple production/assembly error is a ludicrous and ineffectual way to run a business.
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    Agreed. We shouldn't have to sacrifice a new figure or push the whole line back by a month just to eventually receive a corrected Roboto. A future corrected Roboto should be released on the same out-of-subscription basis as a reissue.

    Originally posted by DO4M >
    It seems that it is too complicated for Mattel to have the factory people Swap the shoulders before fusing the Torso pieces.
    Maybe its a design issue cos the factory workers in China don't speak English and Roboto's shoulder pieces need to be resculpted to remove the confusing "L" and "R" symbols and replace them with the appropriate chinese language symbols.
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    Didn't someone say the right shoulder had been moulded with an "L" and vice-versa?

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    It is a new run for all three figures with the "The Orignal" burst.

    Just like roboto was I think reissue roboto should not have that burst.

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    Originally posted by Reboot >
    Didn't someone say the right shoulder had been moulded with an "L" and vice-versa?
    I thought the Right shoulder had a "R" and the Left a "L" and the factory workers still got it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brutal81 View Post
    It is a new run for all three figures with the "The Orignal" burst.

    Just like roboto was I think reissue roboto should not have that burst.
    It would be more out of place without it.

    Not all of the first run had "the original" on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Didn't someone say the right shoulder had been moulded with an "L" and vice-versa?
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    lol if they have to retool the L and R so the factory workers don't get confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallstar View Post
    lol if they have to retool the L and R so the factory workers don't get confused.
    I have a horrible feeling that may actually be the reason for needing a design slot. If so, the whole thing is even more ridiculous than I first thought....
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    Yeah, I think the shoulders need to be re-tooled for the factory workers to be able to assemble them "right". Remember, these poor chinese people speak no english and Mattel seem to have no representatives over there ever to check on quality. So a written note saying "always assemble these this way except on this figure which is the other way" is probably too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallstar View Post
    lol if they have to retool the L and R so the factory workers don't get confused.
    Quote Originally Posted by scott metzger View Post
    I have a horrible feeling that may actually be the reason for needing a design slot. If so, the whole thing is even more ridiculous than I first thought....
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    Yeah, I think the shoulders need to be re-tooled for the factory workers to be able to assemble them "right". Remember, these poor chinese people speak no english and Mattel seem to have no representatives over there ever to check on quality. So a written note saying "always assemble these this way except on this figure which is the other way" is probably too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    That's madness...people can't follow directions????
    You're asking a lot of 12-year old Chinese children, aren't you?

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    Can't they make a drawing that explains where each piece goes before they glue the torso?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    You're asking a lot of 12-year old Chinese children, aren't you?
    Is saying "Today kids, we're going to work on Roboto! This time, we're going to switch the shoulders because they were labeled wrong." and constantly mentioning it and reinforcing it asking alot of 12-year old Chinese kids?

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    It was apparently too much for Mattel to make sure they were lableled righ to begin with...
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    Cheap labor doesn't mean smart labor. You'd think they'd have comparison figures or "master" versions that they can compare to.
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