Toyguru Reveals Bio Mistakes and their fixes!

[Mr. Shokoti]

That's completely different, though.
You can't compare a bio change, which requires no money,
to extra head sculpts or an extremely expensive Filmation license.

True, but there are still fans out there who feel this is proof that if they make enough noise, Mattel will listen to anything they demand or they'll suffer the wrath of the fans. Obviously I disagree with this notion. I feel the only reason Mattel made the change to the number of years is they wanted to. I doubt it had much to do with their feeling any pressure from the fans.

[Multibot]

But that said, I am glad they changed on the years. I always equated Preternia with Prehistoric.

Ok, now i understand where you guys are coming from..... I agree that preternia should be a much longer time in the past than 500 yrs. if it's supposed to be the prehistoric age, then why not make it millions of years in the past? why stop at 5000 yrs? (hell, jesus & the romans were 2000+ yrs ago....) pre-history means before history was recorded, imo... so anything from that era would be long forgotten. and since they know what KG, Tytus, He-ro, etc. did, then they can't be pre-historic imo.

but then again, i never thought of King grayskull as being a 'preternia' (or prehistoric) character.... since they established adam as a his direct decendant. Who knows their ancestors from 5000 yrs ago? nobody can trace their family history that far back. hell the mayans lived 500 yrs ago, and much is known about their history, which makes sense to me. not much is known about history or culture from 5000 yrs ago. that's lost with time. so the notion of Eternians knowing the history from that far back is totally far fetched & unrealistic imo.

and the fact that the current Eternian residents dress exactly the same as their 'preternian' counterparts, makes me believe that it couldn't have been all that long ago. so which characters exactly would qualify as prehistoic, since any one of them could easily live in the current (present) timeline? I mean He-man looks just as much like a cave man as king grayskull...
vikor looks much more ancient than kg or tytus, so he could be prehistoric imo.

sure, preternia can & should be more than 500 yrs ago.... but I don't see Tytus, KG , He-ro, etc. as existing much further back than 500 yrs ago. any longer than that & nobody would remember them or what they did. and don't give me the ' tytus had dinosaurs, so he must be prehistoric' thing, since there are still dragons & dinosaur like creatures in the present Eternian timeline.
and maybe Eternia isn't that old of a planet.... it's a magical world, so any & all Earth based physics & timelines shouldn't even apply.

500 years is tiny and Tytus building the castle makes the universe even smaller.

why does it matter who built castle grayskull? imo it's brilliant to have this ancient giant (Tytus) be the one who built it for his friend & ally who apparently had just been crowned king. i mean somebody had to build it, a castle does't just appear out of thin air.

back in the day, i thought that it had once belonged to Skeletor or scareglow or someone like them, before they got kicked out, since it has a big skull on the front. you'd think that King Grayskull would have had his own face built on the front of his castle rather than a hideous skull. I mean the snakemen once owned snake mountain and it's design is snakelike.... make sense?

[Mr. Shokoti]

Ok, now i understand where you guys are coming from..... I agree that preternia should be a much longer time in the past than 500 yrs. if it's supposed to be the prehistoric age, then why not make it millions of years in the past? why stop at 5000 yrs? (hell, jesus & the romans were 2000+ yrs ago....) pre-history means before history was recorded, imo... so anything from that era would be long forgotten. and since they know what KG, Tytus, He-ro, etc. did, then they can't be pre-historic imo.

but then again, i never thought of King grayskull as being a 'preternia' (or prehistoric) character.... since they established adam as a his direct decendant. Who knows their ancestors from 5000 yrs ago? nobody can trace their family history that far back. hell the mayans lived 500 yrs ago, and much is known about their history, which makes sense to me. not much is known about history or culture from 5000 yrs ago. that's lost with time. so the notion of Eternians knowing the history from that far back is totally far fetched & unrealistic imo.

and the fact that the current Eternian residents dress exactly the same as their 'preternian' counterparts, makes me believe that it couldn't have been all that long ago. so which characters exactly would qualify as prehistoic, since any one of them could easily live in the current (present) timeline? I mean He-man looks just as much like a cave man as king grayskull...
vikor looks much more ancient than kg or tytus, so he could be prehistoric imo.

sure, preternia can & should be more than 500 yrs ago.... but I don't see Tytus, KG , He-ro, etc. as existing much further back than 500 yrs ago. any longer than that & nobody would remember them or what they did. and don't give me the ' tytus had dinosaurs, so he must be prehistoric' thing, since there are still dragons & dinosaur like creatures in the present Eternian timeline.
and maybe Eternia isn't that old of a planet.... it's a magical world, so any & all Earth based physics & timelines shouldn't even apply.

I agree entirely with this!!!

why does it matter who built castle grayskull? imo it's brilliant to have this ancient giant (Tytus) be the one who built it for his friend & ally who apparently had just been crowned king. i mean somebody had to build it, a castle does't just appear out of thin air.

back in the day, i thought that it had once belonged to Skeletor or scareglow or someone like them, before they got kicked out, since it has a big skull on the front. you'd think that King Grayskull would have had his own face built on the front of his castle rather than a hideous skull. I mean the snakemen once owned snake mountain and it's design is snakelike.... make sense?

Now this is where you lost me. I like Castle Grayskull mysterious rather than a creation of some guy who never even made it to American toystores.

[MegaGearMax]

Now this is where you lost me. I like Castle Grayskull mysterious rather than a creation of some guy who never even made it to American toystores.

This is one of the rare times that I agree with Shokoti, but I too am in favor of Castle Grayskull being mysterious in it's origins. It sounds far more epic. I like the idea that there are many things about Grayskull that even the Sorceress doesn't know.

Tytus building Grayskull makes it seem like a normal building--like an architect building City Hall, rather than some ancient place that houses the power of the universe.

Now about Pre-Eternia, it went so far back that even Adam, a well educated man, didn't know of it until the Sorceress told him. Hell, The Three Towers, The Snake Men AND Pre-Eternia were all NOT common knowledge to the general populace. It is alluded in the mini-comics that all three ancient world happenings returning to Eternia seemed interconnected in some way.

[JVS3]

Yeah, like we said on the show, I'm just not fond of knowing much if anything about Castle Grayskull's origin.
IMO, some things should always be a mystery.

In the 200x comic, there were many things we probably would have never explained or touched on,
and if we did, it would be one of those "answers that leads to more questions" type thing.
Where you don't really give an explanation, but instead open more doors.

I'm just not fond of many origin stories, unless we were told it from the beginning, or it was the story originally designed from the beginning that the original creative team always planned to reveal at some point.

Heck, I'm even like that with our own Icons of Evil comics.
Good stories IMO, but I'm just not fond of origins. They always seem to leave a lot of folks less than satisfied.

[Steph]

500 years or 5000 years- doesn't matter to me. What bugs me his how old is King Hiss, the Snakemen, Hordak, and the Horde?

How come only the good guys are constrained by mortality (shown by the cycles of Sorceress's and Heirs to Greyskull), but not the bad guys? You can argue that Hiss and Hordak specifically have tapped into eternal life- but their minions too? We need to see more Pretertian Horde and Snakemen members.

[Jon-O]

500 years or 5000 years- doesn't matter to me. What bugs me his how old is King Hiss, the Snakemen, Hordak, and the Horde?

How come only the good guys are constrained by mortality (shown by the cycles of Sorceress's and Heirs to Greyskull), but not the bad guys? You can argue that Hiss and Hordak specifically have tapped into eternal life- but their minions too? We need to see more Pretertian Horde and Snakemen members.

They say, "Only the good die young."

Good stories IMO, but I'm just not fond of origins. They always seem to leave a lot of folks less than satisfied.

Isn't that how it usually is? By the time we uncover the facts, the myth is already built up to be something so extraordinary, factual events are bound to be lackluster.

[Mr. Shokoti]

Heck, I'm even like that with our own Icons of Evil comics.

I felt they were good but depressing. Trap Jaw has his jaw broken off by Skeletor, Mer-Man's whole kingdom was destroyed, and Tri-Klops was told that his eye problems were more severe than they really were.

500 years or 5000 years- doesn't matter to me. What bugs me his how old is King Hiss, the Snakemen, Hordak, and the Horde?

How come only the good guys are constrained by mortality (shown by the cycles of Sorceress's and Heirs to Greyskull), but not the bad guys? You can argue that Hiss and Hordak specifically have tapped into eternal life- but their minions too? We need to see more Pretertian Horde and Snakemen members.

I agree that it seems like most villains are centuries old. I think it gets to be too much once you get past Hordak & King Hiss. I think Moss Man is the only hero who's been around almost as long as a lot of the villains. I love Moss Man, but, similar to how i felt in the MYP show, I don't like that he comes off as the most powerful hero. Hell, he's even older than The Sorceress.

[MegaGearMax]

Immortal Heroes
Moss Man
Sy-Klone
Zodak
Zodac
The Goddess

Immortal Villains
King Hsss

We don't know if Hordak is immortal. We don't know if he's long lived. He was stuck in the timeless dimension of Despondos for a long time. We do know that Grizzlor was long lived.

[Mr. Shokoti]

We don't know if Hordak is immortal. We don't know if he's long lived. He was stuck in the timeless dimension of Despondos for a long time.

Wouldn't Princess Adora be younger than Prince Adam then since she's lived in Despondos since she was kidnapped as a baby?

[MegaGearMax]

Wouldn't Princess Adora be younger than Prince Adam then since she's lived in Despondos since she was kidnapped as a baby?

Adam and Adora should be the same age...the plot hole is Despondos. In MYP, Adora probably didn't have the same origins as she did in Filmation.

I think Hordak might have used his magic to keep Adora aging normally, as opposed to letting the natural timeless nature of Dospondos keep Adora as an immortal baby. The Horde humorously probably didn't want to have an eternal infant around...

[Mr. Shokoti]

Adam and Adora should be the same age...the plot hole is Despondos. In MYP, Adora probably didn't have the same origins as she did in Filmation.

I think Hordak might have used his magic to keep Adora aging normally, as opposed to letting the natural timeless nature of Dospondos keep Adora as an immortal baby. The Horde humorously probably didn't want to have an eternal infant around...

Another reason, imo, why Etheria shouldn't be in Despondos. Hordak should have finally broken out of Despondos to Eternia only to find out he was now on Etheria instead.

[Multibot]

Now this is where you lost me. I like Castle Grayskull mysterious rather than a creation of some guy who never even made it to American toystores.

imo, after 25+ yrs, I think the mystery should be solved once & for all.
I'm glad to know that someone built it, well obviously SOMEONE had to build it. whether it was with physical labor or with magic, someone had to create it. to think otherwise is just dumb, imo.
and how is knowing who built castle grayskull any diferent from knowing the sword of power originated in trolla and was originally given to a guy who didn't even have a figure, much less really exist, in the original toyline? that's where you lost ME. everything has to come from somewhere.

at least Tyutus had a figure in the vintage toyline... He-ro didn't get past prototype until this line so imo, tytus is more legit as a major player than He-ro, who still looks more like an NA character to me than a prehistoric one. I can't see cavemen wearing metal armor or roman capes....

500 years or 5000 years- doesn't matter to me. What bugs me his how old is King Hiss, the Snakemen, Hordak, and the Horde?

How come only the good guys are constrained by mortality (shown by the cycles of Sorceress's and Heirs to Greyskull), but not the bad guys? You can argue that Hiss and Hordak specifically have tapped into eternal life- but their minions too? We need to see more Pretertian Horde and Snakemen members.

good question.... i think the Filmation Sorceress was kind of established as being immortal, untill someone else would come to take her place.... her price for immortality was never being able to leave the castle in human form (which we saw her do a few times anyway, lol).

for the bad guys, many of them were trapped in other dimensions, where time as the Eternians knew it, had no meaning. so obviously they could return and be the same age they were while time on Eternia had passed on for centuries.

IMO, some things should always be a mystery.

I'm just not fond of origins. They always seem to leave a lot of folks less than satisfied.

sure, some folks will be disappointed when certain things are revealed, but something is better than nothing imo.

i love origin stories, without them, to me the rest of the story is pointless. why tell only part of the story & not the entire thing? there will always be people like me who want to know everything about where things came from, or how a character got to be what they are today. without that, the rest of the story isn't even worth telling imo.

to me, leaving things a 'mystery' is nothing more than a cop-out for lack of ideas & lack of creativity. if you don't know about a character's past, as a story-writer, then how can you tell what their present & future is? no backstory = no depth imo. no depth = crap, to me. Everything has to come from somewhere, & everyone has an origin & background. to leave things a mystery just for the sake of having it mysterious is just downright lazy uncreative storywriting imo. i absolutely hate that, with a passion.

true, there will always be some elements that some folks won't like. you can't please everyone all of the time, it goes with the territory. I'm not fond of Teela being a clone or MAA building the electronic 200x sword... neither element was seen or revealed in any of the motu cartoons, so I don't like those aspects of the story. So i disregard them. to me the 200x sword is the REAL sword, not the many times over cloned sword that everyone carries.
Same could be said for those who don't like the mystery of Castle grayskull being solved. disregard it if you wish. to me, it is a building. and like any building, someone had to build it. that's only logic & common sense. why should it come as a surprise to anyone? if it was built in preternian times, then obviously a person living during that time would have been the one to build it. (duh!!)

that's not nearly as surprising as Snake Mountain actually being a petrified giant 3 headed serpent put into suspended animation by some magic. that did surprise me a bit, but made sense imo. I wasn't sure what to make of Two bad being two guys fused together at first. i thought he was just a two headed alien, but I loved seeing his orignin in myp and totally embraced it once i saw it. It made more sense than what my imagination could offer as a kid.

[Uki]

Refresher please...where is it stated that Despondos is Timeless?

The Horde was stated as being ageless in one of the recent bios, but I am pretty sure that time is in effect there...