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    Horde Prime & Horde Supreme Speculation and Discussion

    Do you think that Mattel will make a Horde Supreme figure, and what would he look like. The only images we have is of the UK Magazine of Horde Prime, which i'm preatty sure is off limits and i know alot of people are 50/50 on, and the Filmation one, which really can't be made into a figure. But yet he is an important part of MOTU lore and possibly the most evil being in the universe. The other question is that are they the same people. I see Horde Prime as the UK version, but almost like the wizard of oz, in that he has the two headed Filmation version that he uses to strike fear into the hearts of all who are under him. He posseses the third sword of power, the sword of evil (UK Mag). I cant even picture what horde Supreme would look like. Overlord of the whole Empire, while Horde Prime is his underling, the real muscle behind him, then he controls Hordak. I see them as 2 different people. Whats your take on it?
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    I think they're the same person but they just didn't have access to the name Horde Prime. I didn't like the UK version of him so I hope they go a different route. As for story, I like MVC's take on it where he was once an Ancient who did treacherous deeds and eventually split his essence into two (namely Horde Prime and the Unnamed) with the intention of being reunited at a later time. I despised the concept of Horde Prime until I read this idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    I see Horde Prime as the UK version, but almost like the wizard of oz, in that he has the two headed Filmation version that he uses to strike fear into the hearts of all who are under him. He posseses the third sword of power, the sword of evil (UK Mag).


    Anyone have a picture of THIS?!?!? I only remember seeing his hand in She-ra before... never a head!! or Heads...

    I personally think the UK version was a HORRIBLE character design... Possibly one of the worst I've ever seen... And I LIKE things like Serpentor... so Take that into consideration


    As for a 'third sword of power' I don't see the need to number the swords... There were origianlly 2 swords.. that combined into one... adding a third is redundant since it wouldn't have combined with anything...

    I'm fine with it being a 'powerful sword' .... just not a 'sword of power'

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    We never see Horde Prime's two heads- they are referred to in the episode For Want of a Horse.

    I'm glad Mattel have a door left open for Horde Prime. Horde Supreme sounds neat as well.
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    Hordak - the Ruthless Leader of the Evil Horde.

    If Horde Prime/Supreme/Family size/Cheesy-crust/Extra olives exists in MOTUC (hope not) then I say he was murdered 5000 years ago by Hordak, the most evil villain in the universe (until Skeletor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post


    Anyone have a picture of THIS?!?!? I only remember seeing his hand in She-ra before... never a head!! or Heads...

    I personally think the UK version was a HORRIBLE character design... Possibly one of the worst I've ever seen... And I LIKE things like Serpentor... so Take that into consideration


    As for a 'third sword of power' I don't see the need to number the swords... There were origianlly 2 swords.. that combined into one... adding a third is redundant since it wouldn't have combined with anything...

    I'm fine with it being a 'powerful sword' .... just not a 'sword of power'
    Here is the face of Horde Prime within the UK comics.




    However, I already asked Toyguru about him and he told me they don't have the rights for the UK comic one. However they can create a totaly new one and I really hope they will do that. But his name will be Horde Supreme no more Horde Prime. I'm totally excited to have this character.. Please, Please Mattel!!!!

    To discuss more about the character, Horde Prime appears in the following POP episodes:

    Xmas special
    Horde Prime Takes A Holiday
    The Eldritch Mist
    For Want of a Horse --> here, we learn that Horde Prime has 2 Heads.
    Bow`s Magical Gift
    The Inspector
    Micah of Bright Moon --> In this episode, we see him better when he threatens the King of Brightmoon.




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    And a vintage custom:


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    Some cool design takes on Horde Prime/Supreme there. I dig 'em. I'm betting a MOTUC Horde Supreme figure will be based on some original design sketches of Hordak or something like that.
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    Horde Supreme looks dorky as heck, so if they mix 'em I hope they do some original concept based on the giant robo-hand. Mr. Bug man just doesn't look like he would be ordering Hordak around, ya know?
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    I like the Galactus Head Horde Prime!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexx View Post
    Horde Supreme looks dorky as heck, so if they mix 'em I hope they do some original concept based on the giant robo-hand. Mr. Bug man just doesn't look like he would be ordering Hordak around, ya know?
    Agreed on that one.
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    I really don't like the Horde Prime design for the UK comics, so if we get him (likely as Horde Supreme, which I'm fine with) I would hope for an all new design. If we ever got Filmation rights, he could be a tricky figure, actually...
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    I'd so want an oversized figure. Or even do him like one of the larger vehicles. If he is usually hidden hide large parts of him in the vehicle type section... Now I'm not saying to make him a vehicle, just treat his creation/sculpting like the creation of a vehicle.

    I hope that makes sense...
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    I LOVE this take on character--it's very creepy.



    This one is cool too, and reminds me of the last boss in Beyond Good and Evil.



    I HATE the UK version, and am glad Mattel does not have access to it.

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    Id like it if it was a lump of plastic smoke on a chair with the robot hand sticking out. Im sure the 4H could do this and make it look cool. I wouldn't want to actually see Horde Primes face as he seems more sinister always being in shadow and no one knowing what this giant creature looks like.

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    Here is the full image of Horde Prime within the UK comic:


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    I say release the 30" Anti-Monitor in Horde colors and call it Horde Supreme.

    And I think the Filmation Prime behind the smoke looks a bit like DCUC Imperiex to me.

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    Reboot - cool Iron Maiden reference!

    EDIT: It dawned to me that you might be referring to the tv-show aswell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    Reboot - cool Iron Maiden reference!

    EDIT: It dawned to me that you might be referring to the tv-show aswell?
    Entirely about The Prisoner (the original version). To really get what I was suggesting, you need know the twist in the last ep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Entirely about The Prisoner (the original version). To really get what I was suggesting, you need know the twist in the last ep
    I have to admit that I have feeling I missed the deeper plot points in that series (as maybe did the members of Iron Maiden aswell). But I think I get it!
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    I want Horde Prime to be the 3rd Giant Figure like Tytus and Megator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Hunter View Post
    I want Horde Prime to be the 3rd Giant Figure like Tytus and Megator.
    I really like this idea, it would be great if this could happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Hunter View Post
    I want Horde Prime to be the 3rd Giant Figure like Tytus and Megator.
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    HORDE PRIME / HORDE SUPREME in MOTUC (Fig/Bios) - Support Thread

    HORDE PRIME / HORDE SUPREME


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    HORDE SUPREME IN THE MOTUC LINE
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    Horde Supreme is mentionned in the He-ro's bio



    After the Filmation Rights unlocked for Mattel, I was thinking if "Horde Prime" will replaced "Horde Supreme" in the bios/canon for the Motuc line.
    I was also thinking about his appearance...

    And today, ToyGuru answered to my question on the Matty board.


    Question:

    Hello ToyGuru,

    (...)

    At Matypalooza panel, you talk to us about potential characters from Filmation (Lizar Man, Sea Hawk...) and from Comics (Goat Man (Golden Book), Strobo (UK Magazine/US Motu magazine) ...).

    Does this unlock the following appearance of Horde Prime ?
    Will "Horde Prime" replaced "Horde Supreme" in your bios/canon ?

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME and FOR THE AWESOME REVEALS !
    KEEP UP THE GOOD JOB!






    Answer:

    Good question!

    Yes, the "Horde Supreme" mentioned on some bios is going to be Horde Prime going forward. They were both intended to be the same character - the leader of the Horde Empire and older brother to Hordak.

    Just what he will look like if he ever makes it into the line is yet to be determined!

    Hey Folks !

    ToyGuru confirmed that Horde Prime is the older brother of Hordak! And "Horde Prime" should replace "Horde Supreme".

    Personally, I would love to get him, (at least!!!) in the MOTUC line.
    And you, what do you think about the Leader of the Horde Empire ?
    And how do you represent HORDE PRIME?






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    Horde Prime is the ruler of the intergalactic Evil Horde. He is only seen surrounded by green smoke. His true form has never been seen. A metallic arm comes out of the cloud of smoke when he is outraged or angered. Horde Prime has a son named Prince Zed who calls Hordak his uncle. This suggests that Horde Prime may have once looked like Hordak before his transformation. He is voiced in the series by Lou Scheimer.

    In the mythology of She-Ra, Horde Prime is the only being with authority over Hordak as well as his Horde inspectors, for he is the intergalactic ruler of the Horde Empire, with control over all Horde regimes. He apparently hails from a world known as Horde World although his exact background has never been revealed. All that has ever been seen of Horde Prime is a gigantic skeletal robotic arm, which suggests he may be some sort of cyborg. He is also said to have two heads. He travels the universe in his ship, the Velvet Glove, keeping watch over the Horde's universal activities. It has been speculated, but never confirmed, that Horde Prime may be Hordak's brother.

    The main reason for this comes from the episode "The Peril of Whispering Woods", the first She-Ra episode to allude to Horde Prime. In this episode we see Horde Prime's son, Prince Zed, who addresses Hordak as 'uncle'. This could suggest that Prime is Hordak's brother, but it is also possible that Zed only called him 'uncle' as a friendly term, or he is on Zed's mother's side. However a letter from this episode said "your nephew" stating that Hordak is his uncle but we don't know on which side. How Prince Zed is Horde Prime's son still remains to be seen.

    Two UK She-Ra annuals in the mid-1980s state that Hordak is Prime's brother, but these operate within a canon independent of the cartoon and also got Horde Prime's name wrong, referring to him as 'Prime Horde'. The UK He-Man comics state explicitly in one issue that Horde Prime is not Hordak's brother, but again these operate within an independent canon and drew Prime with a completely different appearance from the cartoon.

    It has not yet been confirmed whether or not Filmation's writers conceived Prime as Hordak's brother. However, he is referred to as such in the Character Profiles in Disc 6 of the She-Ra Season One DVD set.

    Masters of the Universe Classics Hordak's bio describes Hordak as the "second heir of the Horde Empire." this may be referring to Horde Prime. In the MOTUC He-ro bio a possible new name for Horde Prime is Horde Supreme.

    In the episode For the Want Of A Horse, Grizzlor states that Horde Prime should get matching bowties for each head. Shadow Weaver somewhat later confirms, in that same episode, that Horde Prime indeed is dual-headed; when asked by Hordak as to what would be a suitable gift for someone who already possesses two of everything. Hordak grants further confirmation by expressing his dismay at being reminded of that fact. How both heads work as one mind still remains to be seen.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horde_Prime#Horde_Prime

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    A contest was opened Predabot member within the Fan Art Section
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    Woah, awesome support thread! It looks like you went to a lot of trouble getting the fan art pics, which is awesome!

    I definitely want him. The UK Horde Prime looks similar to his shape in Filmation. It's hard to see, but he's there behind the "smoke." It could just be a GIANT machine he made to look like him...that he controls from the inside?



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