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    Darius for Sale

    Hey Folks,
    I just heard the rumor he wants to sell the Darius figure.
    Anybody intereted in buying it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBrockhaus View Post
    Hey Folks,
    I just heard the rumor he wants to sell the Darius figure.
    Anybody intereted in buying it?
    I am!
    Let him name his price! :-)

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    Man, this I gotta see!

    I am interested in seeing the final selling price.....

    (Although I would absolutely LOVE to own this rarity, I know there is no way my wallet is deep enough...)
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    Sorry Guys this german Darius is a custom!

    but i hope we see him as MOTUC Version soon
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    Since this „only one in the world“ Darius figure is the original, it cannot be a custom. Compare every detail of this figure with the figure of the card back and the figure of the comics and you will see that it is the real deal.

    Furthermore there is this picture of the letter from “Martin Arriola” the designer of the Good Guys of the NA Series. He designed it 23 years ago and it is hand painted by himself. In my opinion this is a sure prove. Just have a look.

    Arriola is also mentioned in Roger Sweets book “Mastering the Universe” and he is named as one of the designers.

    Also Andrea The Cat says that it looks like her test shot.
    This one looks so awesome, no way that this is a custom.
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    Than look better!

    The Holes on Shoulder/Brest Part and Legs are missed!
    The true Figure have no white parts!

    They are conversion Parts! The Pre Prototype have white Parts and is sure never released!
    The Final version of Darius have no white Parts (and i'm happy he don't have!)
    But i think is a nice conversion.

    Show this:




    Here See more Pics of true Darius:



    1st Prototyp
    (painting)
    (Figure)

    2nd and Last Prototyp with new arm pose and beribboned for more movement!!!
    (also a Final released Darius looks like this one)
    (Figure)



    and pictures:
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    Oh Boy, rather than "look better" you should "think twice".

    1. The 1st Pre Prototyp is the one I have shown, just unpainted.
    2. The one I have shown looks like the one from Andrea, and hers is also missing the holes. Why?
    3. Because this is a first production "Test Shot" not a "Prototype".
    4. To my knowledge all prototypes have been destroyed shortly after toy faires.
    5. The one with the bended arm is the last original Version.

    I know all these pictures, and if you compare test shots of any kind with prototypes, there is always a difference. Do you want to have holes in your figures? Who wants that?

    So how dare you to call this one fake? Do you homework before telling lies.
    And what do you mean with "Final released Darius looks like this one"?
    He was never released, and if they would have released him, he would look
    like the test shot I have shown.

    And you should see in every detail that this can´t be a fake.
    Even Mattel 1989 is shown on the back. This is a handpainted "Test Shot" from the creater Martin Arriola, it is only slightly different from the Prototype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBrockhaus View Post
    Oh Boy, rather than "look better" you should "think twice".

    1. The 1st Pre Prototyp is the one I have shown, just unpainted.
    2. The one I have shown looks like the one from Andrea, and hers is also missing the holes. Why?
    3. Because this is a first production "Test Shot" not a "Prototype".
    4. To my knowledge all prototypes have been destroyed shortly after toy faires.
    5. The one with the bended arm is the last original Version.

    I know all these pictures, and if you compare test shots of any kind with prototypes, there is always a difference. Do you want to have holes in your figures? Who wants that?

    So how dare you to call this one fake? Do you homework before telling lies.
    And what do you mean with "Final released Darius looks like this one"?
    He was never released, and if they would have released him, he would look
    like the test shot I have shown.

    And you should see in every detail that this can´t be a fake.
    Even Mattel 1989 is shown on the back. This is a handpainted "Test Shot" from the creater Martin Arriola, it is only slightly different from the Prototype.
    You seem pretty intense about a figure "a guy" had that you didn't think he wanted to sell, but now does, that you happened to see in a forum.

    As this seems to have 'somehow' evolved into selling the figure rather than just posting about it, I think this belongs in the marketplace forum rather than here. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heeeere's Olesker! View Post
    You seem pretty intense about a figure "a guy" had that you didn't think he wanted to sell, but now does, that you happened to see in a forum.

    As this seems to have 'somehow' evolved into selling the figure rather than just posting about it, I think this belongs in the marketplace forum rather than here. Just my opinion.
    Hey that was just a rumor He will not sell it I guess.
    And if he would he should post it in the market place.

    It just bothers me that every time a testshot or a prototype appears, someone says that it´s fake. Especialy in this case when there ar tones of proves, and noone has ever seen these pictures before. This kind of discussion makes it all no fun.

    Anyway...no hard feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBrockhaus View Post
    Hey that was just a rumor He will not sell it I guess.
    And if he would he should post it in the market place.

    It just bothers me that every time a testshot or a prototype appears, someone says that it´s fake. Especialy in this case when there ar tones of proves, and noone has ever seen these pictures before. This kind of discussion makes it all no fun.

    Anyway...no hard feelings.
    Understood.

    Btw, all, I do feel Anne makes a valid point. While the board is a place for lively discussion and spirited disagreement, I think it's appropriate to preface statements with "In my opinion" or "I believe" rather than just making declarative statements that back
    someone into a corner.

    And, of course, that's "in my opinion" as I'm not a moderator.

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    Anne tell me:
    ...which forum was it?
    ...who is the member with the figure?
    ...and who should be the creator?

    i wait of you answers, thx

    GENERAL DARIUS is need as MOTUC, please release him soon!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    Anne tell me:
    ...which forum was it?
    ...who is the member with the figure?
    ...and who should be the creator?

    i wait of you answers, thx
    http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1858/dariusbow.png
    GENERAL DARIUS is need as MOTUC, please release him soon!!!
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    Interesting to see the changes in the protos. I doubt we'll see a MOTUC version any time soon, though. Only thr hardest of hardcore would pay big bucks for this one, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    Anne tell me:
    ...which forum was it?
    ...who is the member with the figure?
    ...and who should be the creator?

    i wait of you answers, thx
    http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1858/dariusbow.png
    GENERAL DARIUS is need as MOTUC, please release him soon!!!
    Hi He-Ro,

    here is the link to the German forum:
    There are some more pictures of Darius, but it´s all written in German.
    http://www.planetprimus.de/cgi-bin/m...D=46490;Page=1

    The member is called IcariusOnFire.
    Icarius was the German name of Flipshot.

    The creator and father of Darius is Martin Arriola.
    This is the link to his website. http://www.martinarriola.com/about_the_artist.htm
    He found this test shot in a box in his basement, painted it and sold it to IcariusOnFire. To my knowledge IcariusOnFire contacted him and asked him if he still had one Darius figure. Jackpot! I already posted the original letter of him in this forum.

    I guess he is still working at Mattel. He designed all good guys from New Adventures. He is also mentioned in Roger Sweets (The Inventor of He-Man) Book “Mastering The Universe” available on Amazon.com
    Here is the link: http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Univ...0644471&sr=8-1

    I also made a Screenshot of the part where he is mentioned for you. If you still don’t believe it, write him an email

    By the way the other designer mentioned is Dave Wolfram, he was in charge of the design for the Evil Mutants. The test shot from andrea the cat came from Dave Wolfram, he sold it with other figures in a box to a guy on ebay and this guy sold it to Andrea.

    I hope that answers all your question so far.
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    thx for your fast answer!

    Also i am a German ;D

    he said he have him from Dave Wolfram

    Have some one the E-Mail from "Dave Wolfram" for ask him self ?

    The Story from this Guy is good bur some thing ist wrong!

    He Said he have buyed the Test Shoot and Dave paint Darius fro him.
    He speak over the holes, and this is a good explanation,
    but why is the paintschop so bad?

    I do not trust this Guy.
    A lot of people can create cast and frame from these components in creating basic.
    I paint and create figures by my selves, also i know from what i write!

    Only "Dave_Wolfram" can convince me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    thx for your fast answer!

    Also i am a German ;D

    he said he have him from Dave Wolfram

    Have some one the E-Mail from "Dave Wolfram" for ask him self ?

    The Story from this Guy is good bur some thing ist wrong!

    He Said he have buyed the Test Shoot and Dave paint Darius fro him.
    He speak over the holes, and this is a good explanation,
    but why is the paintschop so bad?

    I do not trust this Guy.
    A lot of people can create cast and frame from these components in creating basic.
    I paint and create figures by my selves, also i know from what i write!

    Only "Dave_Wolfram" can convince me!
    Hi,
    he got it from Martin Arriola as I wrote, and Martin painted it for him.
    I like the painting and think he hase done a good job. especialy the face looks great.

    Why do you think he bought it from Dave Wolfram?
    Yes I have his mail adress, but he is the wrong person.
    Ask Martin Arriola he will give you the answer cause he made it

    Best

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    why he have write on the first page he have from him and he paint it for him.

    I have read his Interview with Dave to, but it looks like a big LIE for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    why he have write on the first page he have from him and he paint it for him.
    He wrote on the first page that he got the Info about the action feature which not worked from dave Wolfram. He said he is afraid to name the designer he bought it from, cause he is still working for mattel. A few pages later he confirmed that this figure is from Martin Arriola. Thats why the letter with the Darius picture is from Martin Arriola and not from dave Wolfram.

    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    why he have write on the first page he have from him and he paint it for him.

    I have read his Interview with Dave to, but it looks like a big LIE for me.
    Please He-Ro I can´t take it anymore
    Here is the Link to Daves homepage, ask him what you want.
    http://davidwolframart.com/about

    The Interview with him was short and Dave couldn´t remember everything after all these years. But the first thing that comes to your mind is, it must be one big lie. Come On! Why should he telling lies? Just to brag? I know him pretty well and he would never do so.

    For enyone else who is interested in reading this little interview, here it is:
    http://www.planetprimus.de/cgi-bin/m...49880;forID=18
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    The Interview with him was short and Dave couldn´t remember everything after all these years.

    But the first thing that comes to your mind is, it must be one big lie.
    Come On!
    Why should he telling lies? Just to brag? I know him pretty well and he would never do so.
    I think he will let us think his custom is original, but i think is not!

    a Homepage and Emails i can fake to...
    ...better is to meet Dave so i can be sure

    away from my doubt

    when you know him so mutch you can tell me: Why are the joints green?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    I think he will let us think his custom is original, but i think is not!

    a Homepage and Emails i can fake to...
    ...better is to meet Dave so i can be sure

    away from my doubt

    when you know him so mutch you can tell me: Why are the joints green?
    Joints are green because when the leaves are harvested from the plant and processed they're still green and...

    Oops! Never mind!
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    Joints are green because when the leaves are harvested from the plant and processed they're still green and...

    Oops! Never mind!


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    I also think that this Darius figure is a fake and no original one. Only a proof can convince me of the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ˛He-Ro View Post
    I think he will let us think his custom is original, but i think is not!

    a Homepage and Emails i can fake to...
    ...better is to meet Dave so i can be sure

    away from my doubt

    when you know him so mutch you can tell me: Why are the joints green?
    He-Ro, listen.
    I send you the links.
    Send an Mail with the interview to Dave, ask him if he has answered these questions.
    Send another mail to Martin, ask him if this was his figure and if he painted and sold it.
    Feel free to do so. Your choice.

    Regarding the Green joints.
    1. The test shot of Andrea The Cat has also green joints.
    2. If someone would try to fake it, he would have used white joints, as they are available from every NA figure.
    3. These Test Shots has been simply made with green joints, because they are test shots.
    4. So the fact that they are green and not white in both test shot versions proves to me that it´s real.

    Think about it!

    See that from my point of view, I saw the figure which I held in my own hands, I saw the real letter of Martin and I saw the pictures.
    So what kind of prove do you actually need? It’s easier to say something is fake without any prove, than to prove that something is real with tons of proves. Strange!

    You know what? Emails, pictures, letters, the figure…it´s all fake to you. He doesn´t even want to sell it. Why should he fake it? Who tells me that you are no fake? I haven´t seen any pictures of you, and if I would have, I am sure they would all be faked mighty He-Ro.

    I came here in the first place to share all these info’s with Na fans who are not used to the German sites and who appreciate it. That’s all.
    I don´t want to defend the fact that this beautiful figure is real over and over again. I am tiered of it. Everyone with eyes in his head see
    from miles away that every little detail is exactly the same. My friend IcariusOnFire didn´t want to post it on he-man.org because he thought
    that too many jaundiced disbelievers are here. I guess he was right.

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    Fake or not, there's no reason to offend ˛He-Ro. That goes way too far. ˛He-Ro is a friend of mine and I know him personally. It's his own opinion when he thinks it's a fake, there's no need to be hostile to him. Besides, ˛He-Ro is surely not the only one here who has doubts concerning the authenticity of this Darius figure. I, for example, do so, too. But that shouldn't lead to such a fierce controversy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharella View Post
    Fake or not, there's no reason to offend ˛He-Ro. That goes way too far. ˛He-Ro is a friend of mine and I know him personally. It's his own opinion when he thinks it's a fake, there's no need to be hostile to him. Besides, ˛He-Ro is surely not the only one here who has doubts concerning the authenticity of this Darius figure. I, for example, do so, too. But that shouldn't lead to such a fierce controversy.
    The problem started here because Anne categorically stated it was an original and He-Ro categorically insisted it was not. Thus, bercause each is 'absolute' in their statements, each has no choice but to vigorously defend their position because no one wants to be accused of saying something false.

    If Anne had initially said "I think this is an original" and He-Ro had simply said "Sorry guys, I think this German Darius is a custom" then the discussion would have taken on a different tone...a tone to which, perhaps we can return.

    Anyway, how about if we all take it down a notch, remember that we're talking about action figures here and also that there are more important things in the world...like that thirty thousand children will die in Africa from poverty before this time tomorrow.

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