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    Quote Originally Posted by krosfyah View Post
    I just don't understand why fans won't allow for something new. it's a GREAT score, it is THE definitive music for superman thus far, but why can't they do something else?
    Ever hear of the term, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? If the score is "great" and "definitive", why mess with it? That's why fans want it. And those are big shoes to fill, so if you're going to try something else, then it better be f-ing amazing. Again, what we've heard in the trailer is not the "theme" as I understand it and many have stated. But knowing Hans Zimmer, there won't really be one anyway. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP Legend View Post
    So? Superman had different actors portraying him. What's your point here?

    When I hear John Williams' Superman theme, I don't think solely of Christopher Reeve, I think of Superman. Superman's theme transcends just one actor. I fail to see how the Bond theme gets a pass, especially when it is used in the current movies, which kind of acted as a reboot to the movie franchise starting with Casino Royale. Do you think of Sean Connery when you hear the Bond theme, or do you think of James Bond the character?
    It is different.

    The new Superman movie is trying to break the connection to the old ones. If the goal is to make something so it is as if nothing previous happened, then you don't use the same music. You just can't have a completely clean break and fresh start when you leave 1 foot rooted in the past.

    I get that people adore the Williams theme - I do too. But as someone who has enjoyed Superman in all media, its not the "Superman theme" to me, its the "Chris Reeve Superman theme".

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    Show any kid even today a picture of Superman and ask them to fly around the room and sing "his music" and see what happens.
    I bet the majority of kids today have never even seen the Reeve Superman movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    I bet the majority of kids today have never even seen the Reeve Superman movies.
    And I bet you'd be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyC View Post
    And I bet you'd be surprised.
    Bet I wouldn't.

    Sure, among people like "us", there are a lot, but we're a very small minority - the comic book reading, cartoon watching, toy buying adults.

    Heck, many little kids today have parents that weren't even alive when the movies came out. And those Reeve movies don;t even resemble the same genre as the comic book movies that are so immensely popular today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post


    I bet the majority of kids today have never even seen the Reeve Superman movies.
    I completely agree with this. sometimes I get caught up in the "what i think is the way it is" but I would guess that MOST kids, middle school and high school have not seen the reeves movies. Its not that they are bad, or whatever, but believe me, for regular kids, even superhero fan boys to sit through that old reeves stuff, it is HARD compared to what they are use to today.

    SURE some of us have kids that we have watch the stuff, cause we do.... but that is completely different. I bet that if you went into a high school, middle school and just randomly asked kids who their favorite superman was, they would say, small ville, or if you asked them if they have ever seen a superman movie, they would say no.


    we are not just polling fan nerds here. we are polling the majority of kids, and if that is the case i completely agree with you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    I bet the majority of kids today have never even seen the Reeve Superman movies.
    That's because they would be bored out of their minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyC View Post
    And I bet you'd be surprised.
    More kids would consider the animated Justice League Superman as "their" Superman if we are being honest. There is an entire generation of kids and parents who were not even alive during the Reeve years and instead grew up with Lois and Clark, Smallville and Justice League as Superman

    And that again proves why tying it back to the Williams theme is a bad idea, it was only relevant for one set of movies with one star so if you are trying to re-launch the movie as a new franchise why hamper yourself with that baggage (good or bad)

    This also shows the difference with something like Bond, Bond movies CLEARLY tie to one another and bet on that history of Bond as a character. Reboot or not every Craig movie uses music as a callback to the previous franchise movies with the freaking dramatic theme sung by a popular artist. All 3 Craig movies carry forward this tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post

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    Show any kid even today a picture of Superman and ask them to fly around the room and sing "his music" and see what happens.
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    I bet the majority of kids today have never even seen the Reeve Superman movies.
    The recent Lego Batman 2 plays the Reeve theme every time you make Superman fly
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    You might be surprised at how many have seen it, but at the same time many would find it boring. I had many teens tell me the new Star Wars was better and the old one was boring, of course other teens in the room shook their heads at these kind of comments considering these are often the same kids who say, 'who are the Beatles never heard of them they must not be that popular or good.".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyC View Post
    Ever hear of the term, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? If the score is "great" and "definitive", why mess with it? That's why fans want it. And those are big shoes to fill, so if you're going to try something else, then it better be f-ing amazing. Again, what we've heard in the trailer is not the "theme" as I understand it and many have stated. But knowing Hans Zimmer, there won't really be one anyway. I'll reserve final judgement until I see the film.
    yep, i've heard the term, and I generally disagree with it too. Just because something 'ain't broke' doesn't mean it can't be made better or at least it doesn't mean let's NEVER try something new. I disagree with that term because it promotes complacency. If we don't try new things, we discover nothing new.
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    It is quite a cool poster, but it looks like a picture taken with a cell phone camera. And there's a lot of non well used empty space just to show flight blur dynamics.
    Mmmm... It is odd that there's no poster yet that show Superman as a real powerful being as stated on the movie's weight title ("Man of Steel")
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    I think the theme should be sampled throughout the film when appropriate. I'd like to hear it building up slowly, like the music it self until it bombastically explodes in the 3rd act and fades into the credit sequence.

    Quote Originally Posted by krosfyah View Post
    I disagree with that term because it promotes complacency. If we don't try new things, we discover nothing new.
    99% of the time that is true but then once in a while you get New Coke...Or a Superman film without THE superman theme.

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    The people making this movie want that break.
    I expect a lot of people to say "I liked this movie, but I wish they used the old music".
    Perhaps I'm wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyC View Post
    background music.
    That has been the case of most movies for the better part of a decade now.

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    Cavill looks right, but I think he could use a red belt or something. That unbroken blue/black reminds me of Sir Laser-Lot a little.
    like the New 52 red belt?

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    I think they are not using the theme because they want to distance this from the previous Superman movies. I don't think that they see them as bad films but they want people to see this as it's own thing and the inclusion of the Williams score would immediately make people compare this to the older Reeves and Routh movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    I get that people adore the Williams theme - I do too. But as someone who has enjoyed Superman in all media, its not the "Superman theme" to me, its the "Chris Reeve Superman theme".
    Great point.

    I bet the majority of kids today have never even seen the Reeve Superman movies.
    I think they have, just like they've seen the original Star Wars trilogy, Alien and it's sequels, Predator, Conan or any of those older movies. Those movies are on all the time. They might not think it's as cool as the modern stuff and think they are cheesy, but they've probably seen them.

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    So who is playing Luthor in this movie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    More kids would consider the animated Justice League Superman as "their" Superman if we are being honest. There is an entire generation of kids and parents who were not even alive during the Reeve years and instead grew up with Lois and Clark, Smallville and Justice League as Superman

    And that again proves why tying it back to the Williams theme is a bad idea, it was only relevant for one set of movies with one star so if you are trying to re-launch the movie as a new franchise why hamper yourself with that baggage (good or bad)

    This also shows the difference with something like Bond, Bond movies CLEARLY tie to one another and bet on that history of Bond as a character. Reboot or not every Craig movie uses music as a callback to the previous franchise movies with the freaking dramatic theme sung by a popular artist. All 3 Craig movies carry forward this tradition.
    The way I feel about it is... if they don't know those old versions then there is no bad to bring forward by using the theme. Why not use the theme. It is one thing if you can come up with something new that sounds equally iconic that could become something like the bond theme or what have you. But that is increasingly rare these days. The Superman theme isn't just iconic because it was in those movies it became iconic because of its composition. I rarely go to movies anymore and hear anything that sticks with me like that. For that reason I think it would be enhancing to the new movies.

    I'm not just talking about beautiful music. I'm sure this new movie will have a beautiful score. But creating music that has a memorable thematic material is different than just being great music. Its like the hook in a pop song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patreek View Post
    The way I feel about it is... if they don't know those old versions then there is no bad to bring forward by using the theme. Why not use the theme. It is one thing if you can come up with something new that sounds equally iconic that could become something like the bond theme or what have you. But that is increasingly rare these days. The Superman theme isn't just iconic because it was in those movies it became iconic because of its composition. I rarely go to movies anymore and hear anything that sticks with me like that. For that reason I think it would be enhancing to the new movies.

    I'm not just talking about beautiful music. I'm sure this new movie will have a beautiful score. But creating music that has a memorable thematic material is different than just being great music. Its like the hook in a pop song.
    Ignorance of the old theme is probably not the issue. Man of Steel probably wants to be it's own thing without being married to the Reeve movies. An example is the Danny Elfman Batman 89' theme in the Nolan Batman movies. Or even how the new Star Trek has it's own theme. Sometimes nostalgia for the old stuff is hard to beat, especially when trying to do something new with an old property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCB View Post
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    No, he exists - there's a quick shot of the Lexcorp building in one of the trailers. It's quick, but it's there. I'm assuming Lex will be treated akin to Norman Osborn in the Amazing Spider-Man - he's out there, but not part of this plot. Probably saving him for a sequel.

    As for the theme, I think them not using it for the movie really isn't a reflection on the theme itself, but on the desire to be distinct from other versions of Superman.
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