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    On the subject of Superman killing, folks who have no qualms with it are forgetting just how easy it is for Supes to do so. That's the main reason he's always had the rule against killing, because his powers make it a matter of flicking his invulnerable finger and ending a life. Now, there are extraordinary situations like Doomsday where there is no other conceivable way to stop the loss of life, and that mat have been the case here. But I'm not hearing that there were repercussions from killing Zod, that Supes felt it's impact in any significant way, and that is bothersome (and a failure to delve a bit into what makes him tick).

    I can't really analyze anything further because I had to leave the theater just as Zod was arriving. I don't know if I was getting a touch of bug that has been going around or whether the cameraman on this film studied under the guy who shot Blair Witch and Cloverfield, but starting with the scene where Jor-El explained the history of Krypton to Clark, I started getting physically ill from the way the camera was sweeping and jerking around, seemingly even in the stationary scenes. When we had to jump form Lois' coffee maker to Lois and then back to the coffee maker for no apparent reason, and then followed her bouncing down the hallway, I had to exit to the rest room to keep from hurling. Maybe the projector was wonky, but I swear the folks involved never heard of a steadycam. And keep in mind, this was the 2D showing I'm talking about. Did anyone else feel the need for Dramamine, or was it just me?

    As for what I did get through, it left me wanting. It reminded me a lot of the Nolan Bat films, as there was a lot going on, but I felt little to no connection to the main characters. The opening was promising, as I did get a good feel for both Jor-El and Zod; those characters and their exchanges established them well for the rest of the film. But Clark was completely flat, as was Jonathan Kent. THe scene where Jonathan reveals the big secret was absolutely lifeless, and his assertion that maybe Clark should have let Pete die was nothing short of disturbing. The follow up where Clark stands there and simply lets Jonathan die because he "trusted his father" felt outright wrong, not just because of the characters' history outside this movie, but just within the film itself. THere was nothing shown in the movie that gave you any reason to think that Clark would become someone like Superman. nothing that showed Jonathan and Martha to be the loving guides that would make him a hero. In fact, all I saw in his father was an overwhelming paranoia, and little else. I saw Clark do heroic things, but the movie gave me nothing to tell me why he did them. And Lois was a veritable cipher; Amy Adams is a good actress, but she didn't seem to have anything to really work with here. I got no spark between Lois and Clark, no spark really from Lois at all. THe movie gave me nothing to really tell me who she was as a character. Maybe all of this changed in the part I missed, but it should have been there up front.

    It looked to be an interesting and different take on the origin, and one that had promise. But what I saw was a disjointed narrative with characters I had a hard time connecting with, and the latter is absolutely essential for me to get involved in a movie. There was nothing I saw that gave me that "they actually get it" moment. It just missed the mark for me as far as I got with it.
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    This is A difficult movie for me to praise, and criticize. While I'm not as unhappy with it as I was with 'Superman Returns', I can understand how alot of you feel about how Snyder, and Nolan tried to darken him up A little. What they basically did was give Clark/Kal-El the 'mutant' angle of 'X-Men' to make him more identifiable, and that kinda works since Kal-El is an alien, and his powers are developing on Earth. Probably the most controversial aspect of the film was having Superman Kill Zod. While it definitely goes against Superman's code of ethics, Michael Shannon's Zod was downright evil, and murderous. At the very least, the film was A financial success for Warner Bros., but alot of fans are gonna be divided, and conflicted over this movie. There's alot to like here, but it's gonna be hard for most fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbaker View Post
    This is A difficult movie for me to praise, and criticize. While I'm not as unhappy with it as I was with 'Superman Returns', I can understand how alot of you feel about how Snyder, and Nolan tried to darken him up A little.
    Which was another thing that didn't go over well with me; the film had no balance. It was all darkness up to what I saw. I'm seeing Warners doing the same thing with their movies that DC did with their comics after Miller's Dark Knight. Supes isn't a dark story, and I think part of the problem here was they were forcing it into that mold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott metzger View Post
    Which was another thing that didn't go over well with me; the film had no balance. It was all darkness up to what I saw. I'm seeing Warners doing the same thing with their movies that DC did with their comics after Miller's Dark Knight. Supes isn't a dark story, and I think part of the problem here was they were forcing it into that mold.
    I don't see them darkening Superman so much as they're making Superman a bright light in a dark world. Which hell, Even the Donner movie did with the Marlon Brando speech.
    They're trying to (From what I see, and have heard in interviews) make realistic stories with characters. With Batman I think people didn't get they were about
    Bruce Wayne. It was "What if Bruce Wayne was real? He would have to really hide his wonderful toys. He'd have to have Morgan Freeman in on the whole thing. He would
    have to make Batman a symbol, or a myth that bad guys would be afraid of."

    With this it was more of "What if Superman were real? People would be skeptical, and afraid of someone with that sort of power. He would have to work hard
    to earn their trust. Our world has a lot of selfish, evil, power hungry people in it. How would he bring hope to people without making it all about Superman,
    and make it about doing right out of moral obligation? How would he be that light to inspire others in the dark to become light to others in their own lives? How will
    he deal with the rejection by those who remain skeptical? How will he deal with things he can't control? Will he be able to accept the fact he can't save everyone?
    What will he internalize when he has to kill someone?"

    I think on that level the movie does a pretty good job. It's not a flawless movie, and I respectfully disagree with those who didn't like it. But that's just how I see it.
    I really didn't see a Superman who was hardcore for the sake of being hardcore. I didn't see a hyperviolent for shock value 90's image comic here.
    I saw a pretty good 52 ish Superman story grounded in a bit of realism. 3 Kryptonian War criminals attempting a terraforming plot, and beating the hell out
    of Superman 8 ways from Sunday would probably level cities. And again, I think it leaves the door open for Luthor to come in on a sequel and go "Hey, Look what
    Superman did! I told you all along not to trust that caped jerk! Listen to me, or whatever other villain they decided to put in this thing
    ." Which probably means
    that there will be a Superman sequel on par with The Dark Knight so long as they keep pace with this one. That's where they'll probably further the character development
    focus more on the drama, and the action will still probably be really good. We'll see.
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    Director Zack Snyder and Writer David Goyer On Ending

    This is what the director and writer had to say about the whole Zod thing. Something we've all forgotten, this was pretty much "Superman Begins":

    First, in a podcast for Empire, the duo admit that they went back and forth on whether or not Superman should kill Zod since, originally, the villain was going to get "zapped" into the Phantom Zone. “But David, Chris and I had long talks about it, and I said that I really feel like we should kill Zod, and that Superman should kill him," Snyder said. "The 'why' of it for me was that if was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained… I wanted to create a scenario where Superman, either he's going to see [Metropolis' citizens] chopped in half, or he's gotta do what he's gotta do.”

    Goyer adds that the hold out was actually Nolan, who was against it. "[Chris] originally said, 'There's no way you can do this,' Goyer said. "I came up with this idea of heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene, gave it to Chris, and he said, 'Okay you've convinced me.'”
    Full article: http://www.movies.com/movie-news/man...&wssaffid=news

    So Christopher Nolan was heavily against the idea at first. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeviot View Post
    that there will be a Superman sequel on par with The Dark Knight so long as they keep pace with this one. That's where they'll probably further the character development
    focus more on the drama, and the action will still probably be really good. We'll see.
    See, I actively disliked Dark Knight for the reasons I wasn't grabbed here: I didn't get into the characters at all. There wasn't any character development here to continue. Part of the problem is exactly the point you brought up, Nolan's bit about everything being so grounded in reality, which is one of the big problems I had with the Bat trilogy. Reality would have been a story in the Gotham Gazette the morning after Bat's first appearance about a crazy billionaire who's strangely costumed body was found with a gaping wound where his mouth should have been. Here, the story would have been about the government finding a baby alien being hidden on a farm 20 years ago and making him and the couple hiding him disappear, so there would have been no movie. You can only take reality so far in a fantastic setting like this before it starts weighing the whole thing down. The problem with the Warner movies is that they start out creating the reality with an eye on events rather than the characters. That was the big weakness of the DK movies after Begins, and that was the problem here. Everything I saw that didn't work for me goes back to that, including the darkening of the story. As I said, I didn't see the fight with Zod, and so I don't know Supes reaction first hand, but if this was the formative moment for his code against killing, I'd hope there was some reaction on his part at what he had to do. I really need to try to see the ending.

    But what I did see was not a story that would have led to Clark becoming Superman, or becoming a hero at all. Nothing I saw gave me an idea why he saved people, even when he was young. Pa Kent was actually discouraging that sort of thing, so where did the hero come from? If he was given the idea from the time he was a child that his secret, his presence was more important than another person's life, that's basically how you create another Zod, not a Superman. There was nothing to connect you on a human level with Clark, even in the flashbacks, because the story was so scattershot. Even scenes that tried to establish that, like when Martha came to the school, were so badly written and pretentious that I had a hard time getting past the poor dialogue into the hearts of the people. I didn't feel Clark's struggle to fit in, to deal with his powers; the scenes that tried to evoke that fell flat. And the quest for who he was, where he came from was little more than a plot device to get him to meet Jor-El, rather than a chance to develop the character and his motivations. Bottom line, I didn't feel anything for Clark; I'm not even sure I liked him. As I've said about every movie I've ever seen and liked or disliked, that connection with the character on some level is essential. If I don't care about the character, the events of the movie mean nothing, and that's pretty well what I was left with here. I wanted to like this movie, and the beginning gave me a couple of Kryptonians I could relate to on some level, one good and one bad. But when it came to the actual humans, there wasn't enough there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeologyMule View Post
    I loved it.
    Sums up how I feel days after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCB View Post
    Sums up how I feel days after.
    This, so this.

    As I have said I am NOT a fan of Superman at all, the character quite simply bores me. But this movie rocked so much that I actually think it is the second best superhero movie EVER made (imo) only beat by Avengers which had a better story and better characterizations (also imo)

    In fact I think it is so great that I was going to go see it again tomorrow but I remembered I have stuff to do and alas that means I cannot. So thursday is my new re-see MoS date
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott metzger View Post
    On the subject of Superman killing, folks who have no qualms with it are forgetting just how easy it is for Supes to do so. That's the main reason he's always had the rule against killing, because his powers make it a matter of flicking his invulnerable finger and ending a life. Now, there are extraordinary situations like Doomsday where there is no other conceivable way to stop the loss of life, and that mat have been the case here. But I'm not hearing that there were repercussions from killing Zod, that Supes felt it's impact in any significant way, and that is bothersome (and a failure to delve a bit into what makes him tick).
    And on the subject of Superman's ability to kill with one punch LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicasino View Post
    This is the real Superman:
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    it says no one has the right to kill...

    which is completely fine. but it doesnt say that he hasn't. big difference. from his look on his face, i would argue he looks like he HAS killed, and this is why speaking these lines is so emotional....

    that being said, personally, as a character I find the fact that he can use lasers out of his eyes is the problem i would have. i dont care if its one of those old school powers, but the over active senses, i get.... the jumpings, strength, and even FLYING i can take....... the blowing cold, eh.... ok....

    but the eye rays you can not sell me on this being one of his powers. just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    So you don't know what they should have done but something should have been done?

    Also Superman went down the same road that the movie Batman went down unless Batman did not leave Ra's to die on the train in Batman Begins, or throw Harvey off the ledge thus killing him in the Dark Knight. Guess those deaths are OK since he blatantly did not kill them.
    NOPE!!!! I've been ticked off at batman movies ever since '89 when he dropped joker off the church. that was so 'un-batman' it wasn't even funny.... Ever since then villains have to die... just to 'give the audience closure.' Which is a ridiculous argument in my opinon.

    I was INSANELY ticked about the "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you' speech from Batman Begins. I really hated it. Harvey?? That was a lot more realistic, just because it looked like an ACCIDENT. It wasn't THAT far of a fall... he only LOOkED knocked out... it wasn't till the credits rolled that I was acutally 80% sure he was actually DEAD... I still expected him to come back somehow especially after letting Joker live in that one...

    But yeah, fall a story or so and batman hopped back up... No reason that fall should have killed harvey.



    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    Well according to this thread and various places on the Internet he needed to "find a way" even though not one single person can seem to present this one way or any alternative. Its almost hypocritical imho because they don't like the outcome but yet fail to offer an alternative
    1) he should have made sure Zod was trapped in the phantom zone... crashing his ship when he knew the 'big plan' was just sloppy.

    2) He still has his OWN ship/fortress which if it's like Zod's can change the atmosphere to kryptonian thus taking away zod's powers. Not to mention the coffins/statis pods there.

    Superman had options. If it was POSSIBLE for him to 'kill' a kryptonian on earth (another debatable concept) then it is CERTAINLY possible to knock him out and find another solution.

    Constantly repeating the 'He had no choice' statement does not make it true. Superman has been published for 75 years now.... and I THINK the phantom zone criminals were the ONLY three he has EVER killed. Therefore there is OBVIOUSLY SOME answer out there. he's found them before, he could find them again.

    I keep thinking about norman's speech in the first spiderman movie. "everyone loves a hero... but the only thing they love more then a hero is to watch a hero fall!!"

    If superman HAS to kill Zod.... then he HAS to kill bizzaro. And Darksied, and Metallo, and Brainiac... and frankly everyone who breaks the law has it coming... so why NOT...

    I like my heroes to be LESS realistic, and more heroic. THere was so much talk about bringing hope and ideals... but in the end he did NOT do that. All he REALLY did was show earth why they SHOULD be afraid of a Superman...

    Not a direction I aprove of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    If superman HAS to kill Zod.... then he HAS to kill bizzaro. And Darksied, and Metallo, and Brainiac... and frankly everyone who breaks the law has it coming... so why NOT...
    Still don't see why this can't be something that happens once and he learns from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    So you don't know what they should have done but something should have been done?
    Maybe Superman could have kissed Zod and made him forget about his murderous vendetta?

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    Interesting...

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/...struction-cost
    The WTC estimates that in the days after the attack, 129,000 people would be confirmed killed, nearly a million would be injured, and over a quarter of a million would still be missing. The impact “seemed to be similar to an air burst from a 20kt nuclear explosion in terms of shock effects, but without the radiation or thermal effects.”

    Additionally, some $700 billion in physical damage would be done to the city. Cleanup, economic impact, and other costs would eventually bring that number into the trillions of dollars.

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    Like I said on FB to that IGN and article about the damage

    I take issue with that because in the destruction costs they add up the World Engines effect. That is not part of Zod vs Superman that was part of Zod wanting to terraform Earth into Krypton and would have happened regardless. Either Superman is responsible for 100% of the damage or we just accept that 3/4 of the damage was due to the World Engine and that was Zod's fault as Superman was incapable of stopping it on the other side of the world trying to destroy the other half

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    1) he should have made sure Zod was trapped in the phantom zone... crashing his ship when he knew the 'big plan' was just sloppy.

    2) He still has his OWN ship/fortress which if it's like Zod's can change the atmosphere to kryptonian thus taking away zod's powers. Not to mention the coffins/statis pods there.

    Superman had options. If it was POSSIBLE for him to 'kill' a kryptonian on earth (another debatable concept) then it is CERTAINLY possible to knock him out and find another solution.
    Really? And at what point is he :

    A)supposed to take control of this ship to trap Zod? The only reason he escaped Zod's ship the first time was because Lois changed it for him.
    B)fend off the rest of the super powered Kryptonians who were only a non-issue because they got zapped back in the portal
    C)take control of Zod? It took him nearly 20min to even get a hold of him in the museum. He was supposed to somehow knock him silly and take him to some fantasy jail, all the while dealing with A and B in this same scenario

    Its amazing how Superman is supposed to be able to just do everything at once, maybe I watched a different movie where there were 3 or 5 of him taking on everything and everybody since apparently that is how he was supposed to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonWes View Post
    Still don't see why this can't be something that happens once and he learns from.
    I don't believe you HAVE to kill someone... to know you shouldn't kill someone. Some things you can learn WITHOUT having to have done the act.

    That's what the kent's have always been for. to teach him the power and responsibiilty speeches. He's had 30+ years of knowing that he could kill a man with the flick of his hand... and choosing not to.


    Quote Originally Posted by markatisu View Post
    Like I said on FB to that IGN and article about the damage

    I take issue with that because in the destruction costs they add up the World Engines effect. That is not part of Zod vs Superman that was part of Zod wanting to terraform Earth into Krypton and would have happened regardless. Either Superman is responsible for 100% of the damage or we just accept that 3/4 of the damage was due to the World Engine and that was Zod's fault as Superman was incapable of stopping it on the other side of the world trying to destroy the other half

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    Really? And at what point is he :

    A)supposed to take control of this ship to trap Zod? The only reason he escaped Zod's ship the first time was because Lois changed it for him.
    B)fend off the rest of the super powered Kryptonians who were only a non-issue because they got zapped back in the portal
    C)take control of Zod? It took him nearly 20min to even get a hold of him in the museum. He was supposed to somehow knock him silly and take him to some fantasy jail, all the while dealing with A and B in this same scenario

    Its amazing how Superman is supposed to be able to just do everything at once, maybe I watched a different movie where there were 3 or 5 of him taking on everything and everybody since apparently that is how he was supposed to act.
    A) Get his ship on the way from indian ocean to metropolis, fly it there.

    B) like you said became a non issue without him dealing with them at all...

    C) when he was cutting zod's ship in half and Zod had not yet adapted to the enviroment. 1)Cut ship in half, 2) Grab Zod's pilot chair, 3) hurl at the black hole.


    Quote Originally Posted by JonWes View Post
    yeah... honestly, I don't have AS MUCH a problem with the people wondering about why he wasn't saving more people?

    First of all.. he DID. we saw him rescue a few soldiers in over their heads, so we got the cinematic checkmark there that shows he did care about the earthlings. not even counting the oil rigs and waitress and all the other 'urban legends' that led the trail for lois to folllow. Secondly, he spent a LOT of time putting out fires and stuff in Superman Returns... and that was panned pretty hard for 'not enough action'. I can't blame the directors for NOT going that way...

    Fact is, I think they REALLY destroyed metropolis too much in this show. It had a distinctive 'hiroshima' feel to it by the credits! There just isn't any feasable way that they could FIX this city in any reasonable time for a sequel. I'm afraid it's going to be a 'wayne manor' where it takes 3 movies to get it back in shape.

    Yes... a LOT of people died in this movie. It's insane to even imagine they didn't. But those are all on Zod's head, not Clarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    I don't believe you HAVE to kill someone... to know you shouldn't kill someone. Some things you can learn WITHOUT having to have done the act.
    It's not about learning not to kill people. Superman already knows that. That's why he yells real loud at the end.

    It's about going through that experience, experiencing that remorse, and making damn well sure you do more to not be in that position in the first place. Because, let's face it... at that point there really isn't anything else for Superman to do. Not sure what everyone else thinks he was supposed to do... but he is battling someone who is just as strong as he is. Flying up in the air? Zod can keep him down. Maybe using his heat vision to blow a hole in the floor? Who knows if he has time. The only thing he could have done differently is do more to get Zod away from Metropolis to not put him in that situation in the first place. Even then it might not have worked. The only reason Superman can find ways out of these situations in the past is because the writers allowed him too.

    And about the damage estimate, I do think it's unfair to put the World Engine damage in there and say it's Superman's fault. I'm not QUITE sure that's what they were saying. They were just calculating the toll. I don't think it's on Superman's head no matter what.

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    so what if at the end he didn't stop every two seconds to save random ppl. He was getting punched through ****ing buildings by an evil Kryptonian. It was more about trying to end it quickly to try and minimize the damage and loss of lives then it was wasting time trying to save every individual person which would have resulted in him not concentrating on Zod and thus he saves NOBODY

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    My wife and I saw the film last night and I may have been able to like it, had it been a completely different superhero. The following article pretty much sums up my exact thoughts when it comes to the movie.

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    I remember when he let Doomsday live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCB View Post
    I remember when he let Doomsday live.
    And Doomsday is another character on Superman's power level.

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    Even THAT guy killed when he had no choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott metzger View Post
    I can't really analyze anything further because I had to leave the theater just as Zod was arriving. I don't know if I was getting a touch of bug that has been going around or whether the cameraman on this film studied under the guy who shot Blair Witch and Cloverfield, but starting with the scene where Jor-El explained the history of Krypton to Clark, I started getting physically ill from the way the camera was sweeping and jerking around, seemingly even in the stationary scenes.

    Don't you just hate that lens flare and shaky camera garbage? I know I freaking do!!! Whatever happened to elegant pans and sweeps that tried to make a film look like a work of art?

    Abrams and that idiot who made the 2003 BSG remake are notorious for using that 'realism of the camera' garbage and I totally hate that style of filming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCB View Post
    I remember when he let Doomsday live.
    Never read the following appearance of Doomsday since the character began to get overused and stupid. His ability to regenerate from death and develop a protection against any previous way he'd been killed was stupid. Doomsday should've stayed dead at the end of the 'Death of Superman' storyline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsfang View Post
    so what if at the end he didn't stop every two seconds to save random ppl. He was getting punched through ****ing buildings by an evil Kryptonian. It was more about trying to end it quickly to try and minimize the damage and loss of lives then it was wasting time trying to save every individual person which would have resulted in him not concentrating on Zod and thus he saves NOBODY

    But silly ppl on org can't seem to get that
    They don't seem to get it in the threads about the MOTU comic book from DC either at times.
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