Reply With QuoteYep, your theory regarding Jon Snow's parents is the main fan theory.
Wow, the first book is hard to put down. Lucky HBO subscribers!
So, about Jon Snow's still unnamed mother
Reading the books now, and I think Tyrion, if he doesn't know, strongly suspects what his family is up to. You get that in the show too, but in truth even if he knew he doesn't seem like he'd make a lot of noise because he is at least fond of Jaime and it's still his family--which matters even to him for now. I have no doubt his father Tywin ordered or at least condoned the incest very early on. It effectively puts a pure Lannister on the throne "legally," so how could he not? The other manipulators like Baelish and Varys probably have their own plans to use the Lannisters just like the Lannisters used Baratheon. I haven't gotten there yet but I wonder if Cercei sent a message to her nephew/lover to make sure Robert was too drunk not to get killed on his hunt after Stark confronted her. That was very good timing and she's not the type to wait for luck to step in. Oh and it's sad her scene about having a son who died wasn't in the book, as without it so far she seems more like a cartoon villainess.Originally Posted by 13977
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Yep, your theory regarding Jon Snow's parents is the main fan theory.
Ah, thanks for confirming that,Yep, your theory regarding Jon Snow's parents is the main fan theory.it wasn't as easy to figure out from the show but the book drops much bigger hints (I'm guessing there will be a lot fewer without Ned as a POV character later). I wonder that with many fans thinking this, and if we're right, will Martin change things to have a surprise. I wouldn't if I were him, but he may have something even better planned too and the clues are all misdirection. Whatever the truth is, I hope Jon lives to learn about it.
Episode 1
Okay I have read the books this time around, so I know what to expect. But this episode felt a little too light story wise, especially for the premiere. They set up GREAT things to happen next week, but it was a little too dull.
-More missed opportunities with the Hound and Sansa. With only 9 episodes left, when are they going to hear from this guy?!?
-Interesting stuff with Jon Snow, but I was dying for him to meet the Wildlings. Looks like that's next week though. Same with Robb Stark. Interesting set up with Theone, but again the fun stuff starts next week.
-Bran Stark also a slow storyline, other than finally introducing his wolf dreams. Did they show the Freys at all or did I miss them?
- Dany and her dragons, can't complain here because it's accurate to the book, her story moves in slow motion til a certain point.
- We finally meet Stannis, but if you didn't read the books, you might have missed who he was completely. Poor introduction, more about Melissandre, also a poor introduction.
-Zero Arya? Her journey is one of my favorite things. Hope she gets most of an episode dedicated to her.
Okay the good stuff
- Little Finger vs. Cersei. I don't remember this at all from the books and really enjoyed seeing this. It's a clever scene and planting of some seeds for later.
- Joffrey vs. Cersei. Also don't remember this from the books, so this is new. Curious to see where they are going with this.
- Tyrion arrives, great intro with Cersei.
-Robb's wolf, much better than last season.
Overall it was okay. Curious what non-book readers think. With only 9 episodes left, I hope they pick up the pace because lots of important things need to take place.
I haven't read the books but I agree with what you said(Little Finger & Sersei being the highlight for me).
All I know is if this series(either the books or TV show) doesn't end with Joffrey & Sersei dead, I'll feel cheated. I can't remember any characters I've hated more in recent memory. Even the actors playing them look unlikable.
I'm so obsessed with this show. We just finished watching Season 1 and then got right into Season 2. Luckily the wait was short between seasons, but now there's a long wait until the second episode. I haven't read the books yet, but I plan on doing so in the summer.
Fan made video inside.Ah, thanks for confirming that,
Did it look a little too greenscreeny though?
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Oh it looked fake for sure, but at least they have the budget for CGI wolves now. It's better than the actual dogs they couldn't work with last season.
Also forgot the killing of the *******s was new.
As long as the wolf looks like it could actually take down a horse. When they said Grey Wind was doing that off screen last season I cringed. Honestly that's as big a suspension of disbelief as a CG wolf would be. I mean I'm not happy to see animals get fired, but I wouldn't want Smaug to be played by a heala monster in the Hobbit either.
Enjoyed the first episode. The Little Finger/Cersei and Joffrey/Cersei scenes were a surprise and I enjoyed the Tyrion arrival.
I was surprised to hear Stannis knew Joffrey wasn't Roberts son. I don't remember Ned contacting him in season one, did we see this happen or is this new information?
Also how did they know who all Roberts *******s are?
Glad to see the official site is doing the 'Inside the Episode' videos again.
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Episode 2 is out if you know where to find it.
umm do I watch it now or wait till Monday.
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Alright so episode two was much better and had a lot more going on.
- Loved the introduction of Theon's sister. That exactly how I imagined it when I read it. She let's Theon fondle her so she can get a good sense of exactly who and what he is. He also gets a wake up call from his father and pretty much has no place in the world with his family or the Starks, unless he does something...
- I always assumed there would be some romance between Arya and Gendry, but this episode made me realize they're more brother and sister than anything. Also looks like they moved up Gendry finding out she's a girl and a Stark early.
- Enjoyed all the double talk between Tyrion and Varys and some straight forward talk as well about threats and how Tyrion isn't a man of honor like Ned Stark. Also they made Bronne the head of the gold cloaks. Guessing there's no Shagga cast this season and Bronn takes his place doing some cool things in a couple of episodes.
- Melissandre. Finally a religion I can get behind, literally. I've read some complaints that Stannis would never cheat on his wife. I think it's implied in the books that these two have been bangin for a while.
- Also not in the books, but heavily implied, we find out what happens to Craster's sons. White Walkers eat them? Not sure, but cool.
Next week things pick up with Reny and Brienne I'm guessing. Can't wait to see her on the big screen. Plus I'm hoping Arya's story goes forward.
Wow - A man is surprised by the lack of activity here....
Forgive me, but I'm behind the curve on this and I don't have the time to read through the entire thread as we're finishing up pitch season. I've heard a lot of buzz about this series. I've very limited time to watch television, so I'm going to rely on my fellow orgers -- whose opinions I consistently respect -- here. 1) Is it worth it for me to watch this series? 2) Can I buy it on DVD or is it available elsewhere on demand?
Thanks in advance.
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Jack
Yes it is. Season 1 is on DVD. Season 2 is currently on the air.
I think its just that by then the rumors have spread. That was in the books as well, because Renly helps keep them going to help gain support for hismelf.
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Episode 3
Wow, they moved a ton of things forward this episode, maybe about 3-400 pages.
- Renly is back and I really like him a far as likable kings go. I'm rooting for him over Robb Stark. If only Ned had taken his side. Loved Margarie knowing he's gay with her brother and willing to do a threesome for the realm.
- Brienne! Finally. She's great and enormous. Book readers, do you remember her actually beating Sir Loras? I thought Loras was supposed to be a younger Jaime as far as being skilled with a sword?
- Loved the way they organized Tyrion purging any traitors around him by promising Mycella to three different men and not to tell the queen. Pycelle doing squats last season was a foreshadowing for this scene I always thought.
- Theon stuff is really interesting, especially the dynamic he has with his dad and weird sister.
- Shay the funny ***** is horrible and annoying.
- Not sure what exactly happened with Jon.
- Arya's journey to the Wall is over. She gets taken by The Mountain's men, but no Mountain on screen. What the hell? Both the Hound and Mountain have no screen time so far. Wasting cool characters.
Episode 4
Wow, best episode so far!
Arya arrives at Harrenhal and witnesses the cruelty of the Mountain and his men. Her death prayers and list grows. Interesting how they replaced Lord Bolton with Lord Tywinn. I was looking forward to Bolton, but I love the actor that plays Tywinn, so that should be interesting. It's also the first glance we got of the new guy playing the Mountain.
Back in Kings Landing, Joffrey finds out Robb is dominating the battle field, including his wolf eating the Lannister men, so he takes it out on Sansa. Tyrion comes in with the save, but then he punishes his prostitutes. That was hard to watch, but sounded far worse reading it. Tyrion is playing the game really well. Loved how he handled both Payne and Lancel.
Not sure the point of the scene with Robb and the girl. I was sure she was Jeyne, but she gave a different identity. Hmmm.
This was also one of the best looking episodes with the city of Qath. Dany's story is moving as slowly as it did in the books.
Little Finger visits Renly. I'm pretty sure this is brand new. Don't remember this happening, but I loved his scene with Cat. It also planted the seed for something that does happen.
And finally, the shadow birth! I couldn't imagine how they'd pull this off on the tv show, but they made it really hot and creepy! I'm guessing you have to have sex with her to make shadows with her. I'd make shadows with her. This process was never revealed in the books but totally makes sense watching it.
Episode 5
Good episode. More set up and story telling than anything, really entertaining for me, curious if non-book readers will like it.
- Renly gets killed by the shadow to start things off. I was really liking HBO Renly, much more than in the books. I was rooting for him to get the Iron Throne. Also really liking the extra scenes with Margarie and Little Finger. I liked that both siblings agreed Brienne would never have killed Renly.
- Brienne and Cat make a run for it back to Robb's camp. Brienne pledges herself to Cat and swears to kill Stannis. Loved Brienne fighting off all of Renly's men. She looked like a beast. Great casting.
- Arya is granted three deaths in return for the one life she saved of Jacquen Hagre. She chooses the Tickler, which is odd since she's the cup bearer of Tywinn Lannister. Then again, she still has two more deaths left.
- Back at Kings Landing, Tyrion tries to prepare for Stannis, but gets odd news that he is getting all the blame for Joffrey's ruthless ruling. But the local pyromancer let's him in on Cersei's plan for ancient molotov cocktails. Love the Tyrion/Bronne relationship.
- At Qath, Dany trains her black dragon to breathe fire on command and gets a marriage offer that would help her win the Iron Throne. Jorah advises her to do it own her own though.
- Back at Pike, Theon comes up with some scheme regarding the North after failing to get taken seriously.
- Bran has an ominous dream about the seas destroying Winterfell.
- Jon is sent on a recon mission. Did Sam go with him? Couldn't tell.
In an episode since I asked that question I think its also been stated that Pycelle told the Queen who the *******s were.
No Sam stayed with the rest of the Black to fill in for Jon's steward duties while he's gone.
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3 lives she saved: Jacquen, Rorge, & Biter were all in that cage when she gave Jacquen the axe to free themselves - that's why she's granted the 3 deaths.
And for anyone wondering, pretty much everything with Littlefinger this season is newly created for the show. He was sent off early on in book 2 for a task that escapes me right now, but he was almost completely absent. He's not a POV character in the books, so we never get to see much about him unless he's interacting w/the POV character.
In the episode shortly before Ned is betrayed in the throne room, you see him in the Hand's office giving a sealed note to a guard, and Ned tells him to "Go to Dragonstone and deliver this directly into the hands of Stannis Baratheon himself. Not his guard, not his wife, not his advisor."
Stannis knowing about the incest actually goes back further. Stannis and John Arryn were investigating the matter together. When John Arryn died/got killed, Stannis kind of went underground with the matter.
Thanks for that.
I do remember that now you've said it, cheers mate
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Episode 6
Wow, my favorite episode of the season. I did not want this to end. It might have been because all the changes from the book, which made this kind of a neat little fan fiction type episode.
- Theon takes Winterfell, betraying the closest thing to a family he's had. He does a horrible job of executing Sir Roderick, certainly no Ned Stark. Osha saves the two Starks and Hodor. Wow, what a body. The show did a nice job of telling this story in one episode.
- Tons of new scenes between Little Finger, Arya, and Tywinn. Loved these. I had butterflies in my stomach when Little Finger kept getting glimpses of Arya's face. Great save by Jacqar at the end. One more death left. Really hard not to like Tywinn with the way they've been portraying him as a father figure. He cured Jamie having dyslexia. I think I can watch an entire hour of Arya and Tywinn talking. The ironic thing is he'd be a good father figure for her and mentor, unless she was his real daughter and then she'd grow up like a real Lannister.
- The things with Dany felt entirely new, unless I'm forgetting these ever happening in the book. From the way she lost her dragons, I'm thinking they're combining her events from the second and third books, still not sure where it's all going. Exciting.
- Finally the Hound! No idea why they've been omitting his scenes all this time since the actor comes off so well on screen. Maybe next week is the start of his screen time. Also another Imp slap on Joffrey.
- Robb gets news of Winterfell and Bolton sends his *******, another great storyline I'm looking forward to.
- Jon meets Ygritte finally. She cozies up to his crotch, but the virgin took an oath. Come on.
Episode 7
Wow, they saved the best episodes for the last half of the season. This was great and again I did not want this episode to end.
- I continue to love the Arya/Tywinn storyline the show has invented. They've done a great job of making the Lannisters a complex family of characters. Harenhal also looks a lot like Mordor. No wonder Tyrion offered this place to Littlefinger. Also new Mountain cameo alert.
- You know nothing Jon Snow. Finally this has made it on to the show. No it's just a count of how many more times it will be said. The dynamic between Jon and Ygritte is great. Should be more interesting now that the wildlings have captured him.
- King Robb is smitten with the mysterious doctor chick, even after being **** blocked by his mom last week. But the more important thing is Jaime is back on screen! This guy awesome. Wish they didn't cut out all his lines to Catelyn during their epic conversation, but he got his point across for the next...loving Jaime back on the show. He made great points about swearing an oath and about Brienne...
- At Qath, Dany continues to be a brat. She is really annoying me. But the changes to her story are the best thing ever.
- I'm not sure if it was entirely new, but they've had some really great moments between Tyrion and Cersei, once again making them more complex than just evil. Although I'd never trust Cersei no matter how rational she is currently being.
- Another finally is Hound and Sansa talking, long overdue and perfectly done.
- And the show ends bleakly with Theon hanging the bodies of both Bran and Rickon. Starks cannot catch a break.
Episode 8
Nice loaded episode. The exposition has gotten a lot better this season, it's actual exposition and not sexposition.
- Theon's sister comes to Winterfell to offer Theon some really good advice, not to die alone in the North since the entire North will want his head for killing Bran and Rickon. Should have taken that advice. Theon's too proud and stupid to see it.
- Ygritte brings the Lord of Bones the son of Ned Stark. She saves him in her own way though as payback for sparing her. Really curious how they portray Mance Raydar.
- Apparently Cat freed Jaime last week instead of killing him in trade for Arya and Sansa. Robb gets word of this and locks her up. This is change and combination of what happens in the 3rd book, nicely brought into this season. I like Robb being the one to lock her up. Robb also beds Lady Talise and states he does not want to marry the Frey girl. This shouldn't be a problem as long as he does marry the Frey girl. They changed how this happens as well and I'm not sure if it was better or worse than how it happened originally. Guess it all depends where Robb's new relationship goes.
- Brienne begins her journey to King's Landing with Jaime, one of my favorite stories.
- Tywinn is leaving Harenhal to fight Robb's army and Arya wants to use her last death, but Tywinn is long gone. Looks like she has other plans. Arya tricks Jaqen into helping in return for her taking back his name for her third kill. Martin has said Tyrion is his favorite character, but with how intelligent Arya is, I'm assuming this is his second favorite. .
- Some interesting discussion between Tyrion and Bronne about surviving the upcoming attack by Stannis. Cersei finds out about Shae and uses it against Tyrion. Interestingly enough it was the wrong Shae. Also some interesting talks between he and Varys about Dany and her dragons. Varys sure does take interest with her and her family. Where is the god of **** and wine?
- Samwell finds Dragon Glass and some horn. Could be important!
Also liked the little bit of exposition between Davos and Stannis. We find out what Stannis did for Robert, basically hold Storm's End against the Targaryans, while feeding on rats and what not, only for Robert to give it to Renly. I think this really helps explain why Stannis is the way he is towards his two brothers, loyal, but extremely bitter. And we learn why Davos is so close to him. He fed him, risking his own life.
- Bran and Rickon are alive! They've been hiding in the tombs of Winterfell.
Next week is what the whole season has been building up to, Stannis's war on King's Landing. It's also the only episode written by Martin. Can't wait.
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