Reply With QuoteNot sure what you were reading, I have seen next to nobody make that claim. I have seen just about everyone make the claim its better than the Burton oneOriginally Posted by gbagok
Finally saw it this weekend!
I was going to go around collecting Apes fan cards for all the claims this was better than the original movies. I still think it's blasphemy to call it better than the original movie...but it's the first movie since that is damn near equal to it!
I loved that it wasn't a typical nature's revenge Ape-pocalypse cheap Syfy type of movie, despite the vibe of the first trailer. I loved that Ceasar was the emotional heart of the movie. I loved that he actively did not want humans killed and with the exception of a few fighters in the heat of battle, most humans died because of their own actions. I loved that despite all that, humans were still not all presented as flat villains nor where apes all innocent (well, sort of). I loved that the movie showed why, even though Gorillas aren't as aggressive as we once thought, it makes so much sense for them to later be the enforcers of Ape society. I love that I cried when we lost some of the ape characters. I loved Maurice! I loved that so much was set up for sequels, and that even though this is really not the side of the PoA timeline that I most wanted to get back to, it made me want sequels with these characters. You just know that there's going to be more with Brian Cox's Langdon after seeing his son's death, and you know that Koba/Scarface is going to be the voice of evil in the new Ape world. Heck, I even loved Franco as Rodman and I thought I'd hate him.
The movie made me think a lot of X-Men too. Not only the subject matter, but the climax on the Golden Gate bridge and the presence of Brian Cox added to it I think.
All of that said, I did not like that so much of the plot depended on the single dumbest company since those fools who plugged in Skynet. I mean sure, I buy genetically intelligent apes, but what kind of idiot mickey mouse outfit was Gen-Sys? They let the ape handlers' goof with their main test subject turn into the scientist's fault, halting costly breakthrough research that they apparently never improved upon in another 8 whole years? Oh, and maybe it's just my dislike for Tyler Labine, but wasn't it very self-serving of his character to NOT tell anyone that Bright Eyes broke out because he'd failed to notice she was pregnant, had her baby, and was nursing it in her cage? Wouldn't telling that to someone have been a lot better than, you know, killing the other test apes and secretly guilting Rodman to adopt the baby as if it wasn't all his own fault for the situation? Shouldn't Rodman have come out and said, "hey, it wasn't the treatment, it was these morons we hired to handle apes"? Normally I'd expect low-pay lab assistants to take the blame for something like that, and here they actually were to blame! Then later, they're testing a frigging engineered virus and no one puts Labine in quarantine when he's exposed? He's coughing up blood and he doesn't worry about contaminating everyone? Who knew that fat jerk would end humanity almost single-handedly? Also 8 years is an eternity in business, and Gen-Sys stayed relatively the same for the whole time. I'd have expected more changes there than we saw. Of course at least that one I realize is just for the sake of the audience satisfaction. We wanted to see the same guys who killed Ceasar's mother pay for it later. But otherwise the world of men ends because of a badly run business. I wonder what Terry Gilliam thinks of that. It may have been intentional considering the director has referenced 12 Monkeys for the sequel.
I hope the apes are talking in the sequel. And for some odd reason, I hope that Tom Felton plays one of the motion capture apes next time. I have no idea why, it's not like anyone could tell, but since he got the lion's share of the classic references, it'd be funny if he got the Natalie Trundy and Roddy McDowell opportunity to play different characters in several movies.
Not sure what you were reading, I have seen next to nobody make that claim. I have seen just about everyone make the claim its better than the Burton one
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Not as good as the original, no. I actually prefer the second one to this, too. But it’s much better than three, four, five and the 2001 remake.
I can't compare the original series to this since, after Star Wars & maybe Indiana Jones, it's my favorite movie franchise of all time. I will say that I wasn't disappointed in it at all. It's also nice that, unlike Green Lantern, it is doing well at the box office and has good word of mouth. I don't think I could take both movies I was looking forward to all year being failures.
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This explains so many Hollywood movies and TV shows
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how does the novel end?
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Just like the Tim Burton remake, more or less. The pilot in the novel is French, so he lands in Paris at the end. I can’t remember exactly what happens, but I think after he crash-lands a military truck pulls up to greet him, and out pops a gorilla in military attire.
I do recommend the original novel. It’s actually very good and, IMO, bits are actually better than the original film, even though the original film is pretty faithful.
Except Hollywood movies and TV shows would be better if it were true!
This explains so many Hollywood movies and TV shows
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I thought the entire story was a message in a bottle found by two space travelers, and at the end we learn that the travelers are also apes who agree that the story is a hoax because a human couldn't have been smart enough to write it.
Yeah, but the chimp couple bits are pretty much a prologue and an epilogue. So yeah, I suppose you’re right, but what I said is the end of the written account. I suppose we're both right.
I finally saw the ROTPOTA today, and I totally, completely loved it! I wasn't really that much into the old POTA films, but I've been a fan of the Pierre Boulle novel ever since I read it. I've always thought there's a lot of untapped potential in that book that I hope we may see more of if/when we get a sequel to this movie. The old movie series has its charm and its unique high points too, but it diverges quite a bit from the original text, and misses some of the points of the book.
I'm not sure if I should admit this, but years ago when I was suffering from really bad anxiety, I wrote a sort of reimagining of the Planet of the Apes as a form of self-therapy. More than 100 pages, and it was still just a draft with lots of missing pieces. Back then I was worried - after the 2001 Burton failure - that nobody would ever make a version of Planet of the Apes that I'd be happy with, so I wanted to get mine out of my head and onto paper. I never expected I'd live to see a Planet of the Apes movie as good as I just did today!
What really surprised is how emotional this movie made me. I don't think I've cried this much in a movie for years!
Except in the book it actually MAKES SENSE!
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Rise has now exceeded 300 million worldwide. Beauty is, its still yet to open in China and Japan, two huge markets. These are the grosses:
Domestic: $148,456,000
Foreign: $157,300,000
Worldewide: $305,756,000
Where's the sequel announcement, Fox?
They are waiting to see how much money they can roll around naked inRise has now exceeded 300 million worldwide. Beauty is, its still yet to open in China and Japan, two huge markets. These are the grosses:
Domestic: $148,456,000
Foreign: $157,300,000
Worldewide: $305,756,000
Where's the sequel announcement, Fox?
But seriously Bravo, this film was barely on anyones radar and it's success is much deserved!
New International numbers are in and Rise of the Planet of the Apes is easily going to overtake the Burton film worldwide and come close or exceed it in the US
Rise of the Planet of the Apes
Domestic: $162,550,178 46.8%
Foreign: $185,100,000 53.2%
Worldwide: $347,650,178
Planet of the Apes (2001)
Domestic: $180,011,740 49.7%
Foreign: $182,200,000 50.3%
Worldwide: $362,211,740
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I can't believe the Burton movie made that much money. Especially since tickets cost less 10 years ago. I really wish ROTPOTA overtook it but it doesn't look like that will happen.
Yeah, it will overtake it worldwide but unless it has some real good legs it will fall just short in the US. If it stays strong over the next 3 weeks like it has it will have a chance.
Of course Rise gets the victory overall cause it will get a sequel
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Well I'm back from RISE OF THE APES and I have to say I really enjoyed the film. (This coming from someone who slammed CAPTAIN AMERICA a few weeks ago.)
I will say that I thought the early CGI of Caesar was a little cheesy. But it seemed to improve as the film continued. I'm not sure if the quality of the apes' CGI actually improved in the later scenes or if I just subconsciously went into a willing suspension of disbelief.
That aside, I enjoyed the film. Imo the storyline was just excellent, the villains were well developed and the action scenes were killer (pun intended). Overall I'd give it an 8, and I don't give out 8s too often. (Alex was crazy about it and he's hopnig for a video game release.)
My one quibble is that immediately after the penultimate scene they made a FADE THE BLACK, started rolling credits and only five or ten seconds later did they FADE UP on the tag scene that revealed how the human race was wiped out courtesy of the pilot. While I think the tag was excellent and I liked that it accomplished its goal without a single line of dialog (film is a visual medium after all), about half the theater left before the tag began to play -- understandable since many parents with kids just want to bolt home and who, besides many of us, really sits in a theater to watch end credits? I wonder how many orgers that saw the film missed this important part of the film that establishes the link between this film and PLANET OF THE APES -- i.e., how the human race actually died out.
All in all it was an enjoyable evening with my son and, I felt, worth the price of admission...even if a medium popcorn and two Diet Cokes did set me back an additional $14.25.
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Unless it's people who rarely see movies & never read about them online, I don't have much sympathy about the people who left early. Practically every movie these days has an extra scene during or after the credits. Even though I often have the theater clean-up crew staring at me the entire time, I stay through the credits of every movie. As expensive as tickets are these days, I'm going to make sure I see the "entire" movie.
He-Man fans should be more aware of this than anyone. I saw the 1987 MOTU movie at the theater with my parents as a kid but didn't know until years later when the movie aired on cable that Skeletor pops up again at the end of the credits.
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He does?! LOL. I seriously didn't know that!
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I rest my case.
Exactly!
At least in this case what some people missed was heavily implied throughout the movie.
I always sit through till the screen goes blue/white anyway but I don't think anyone who missed this ending will be particularly confused during a sequel.
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I don't either. For one I think most will see it on the DVD. But also it wouldn't surprise me if the moviemakers reiterate it with news coverage of the spreading pandemic during the sequel's opening credits or initial teasers.
Interestingly the next trailer I saw after RotPotA was for Contagion and when they said the birds were weaponizing the flu someone shouted "no, it's the apes!" He seemed to lack impulse control, but that time it was funny.
Perhaps not, but they'll have missed a very clever and elegant way to make a point in film.
Despise scenes after credits. That’s why I watch all the Marvel hidden scenes and any other ones on Youtube after watching the film in the cinema. The credits are so long, close to ten minutes depending on the type of film. Can’t be bothered for that. I knew about Rise’s before hand, though, so I made sure I stayed in my seat.
As for the scene itself, I did like it. No dialogue needed, but the point comes across fully. Again, though, as others have said, I don’t think it’s completely essential to have seen it, because I’m sure the sequel will explain everything quickly before the main plot begins.
$355,402,933 (which will go up tomorrow) worldwide so far. I just hope Fox keep the same writers and director.
I don't think they would change, at least for the next film. Its seems to me its usually the 3rd films where the studios swap out talent.
Plus the director has been talking up PoTA since he got the job, making the almost 4x budget the movie has I don't see a reason (outside money) why the studio would opt for another.
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I loved this movie, and the originals, but honestly, I don't think it needs a sequel. I mean, we already have them (in a manner) with the original POTA movies. I wouldn't want to see them crank out unnecessary chunder and diminish what they have.
If they wan't to take a new stab at the original POTA and completely remake it to match ROTPOTA I would be okay with that. Or better yet, make something that was even closer to the original novel.
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