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    The "Official" Superhero & Comic Book Thread!!!

    There seem to be a lot of comic fans on this forum. There are also a lot of people here, like me, who spend more time here than anywhere else online. Since there is always news related to comics to talk about and I've personally found the comic forums I used to frequent not as fun to visit as they used to be, I thought a catch-all thread that covers all things superheroes & comic books could be fun & useful.


    * Do you want to talk about DC Comics & their latest event mini-series?

    * What are your opinions on Marvel Comics & their latest big screen movie?

    * Did you read the latest Conan or Star Wars comics?

    * What comic related TV show are you watching or looking forward to?

    * Is there a manga you just finished that you're dying to talk about?

    * Who is currently making the best comic book toys?

    * Played any cool video games recently based on a comic book?

    * Why did you start reading comics in the first place & what were your favorites as a kid?



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    *Generic rant about the abysmal state of Marvel during Quesada's reign goes here*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    *Generic rant about the abysmal state of Marvel during Quesada's reign goes here*

    You don't know how hard it was for me not to say something similar. I just didn't want to do my usual Marvel bashing nor scare off any people who might actually like JoeyQ's "Dark Reign".

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    1. Flashpoint might be good I don't think there has been enough lead-in to it.
    I agree. So far, the only title leading into it is The Flash and it is really late in releasing its issues on a monthly basis. Although, while Flashpoint doesn't seem to have a unique idea behind it(Age Of Apocalypse, House Of M), at least we have an idea as to what the event is about. I'm still not sure what Marvel's Fear Itself is about after its confusing promo ads & little talk about the premise from the company that usually holds press conferences when a character has dinner in an upcoming issue.

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    2. I was always more of a Marvel guy growing up but now....eh. Marvel has much better movies but that might be just a matter of there being like 3 marvel movies to every one DC movie. Thor had better be good.
    While I feel Marvel is really hit or miss with their movies, I have enjoyed what they're doing with the Marvel Studios Marvel Movieverse more than the Marvel Comics Universe under JoeyQ. In fact, I even preferred Iron Man over The Dark Knight(the first Iron Man, not the disappointing sequel). I don't think Thor looks that good, but I read a review at CBR last night that loved it(although I'm not sure I can totally trust them since they have exclusive columns from Marvel on their site; they seem to have taken over for Wizard as Marvel's promotional tool). Cap on the other hand looks pretty good to me.

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    3. Not really, I have read some of the Star Wars books and enjoyed them but not enough to keep up with them. I did really like the Tag and Bink!
    I'm a Star Wars fan, but I haven't really read much of Dark Horse's SW comics since they first got the license. As much product as they put out, it gets a little intimidating as to where I should start reading.

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    4.Batman: The Brave and the bold and The Avengers still haven't seen the new young justice cartoon is it any good? Oh and The Walking Dead=awesome.
    I haven't seen the Avengers, only seen clips of The Brave And The Bold, but I have seen every episode of Young Justice. It isn't bad, but I still feel there is room for improvement(especially when it comes to making some of the characters likable and giving Aqualad a personality).

    I fell asleep during the Walking Dead pilot and haven't gotten around to giving it a second chance yet. I read the first year of the comic when it first came out and felt it was pretty good, but I'm really zombied out these days.

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    5. no.
    I'm not against Manga, but I haven't really read any of it since I was a kid in the 80's(Kamui, Xenon).

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    6. I want to like the new Marvel Universe figures but the scale just turns me off. I loved the Marvel Legends line but quit when Hasbro took over, I guess Mattel by default.
    Unless you include DCUC VS MOTUC, I'm not currently getting any superhero toys. I'm having trouble as it is coming up with the money & room for MOTUC.

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    7. I like DC universe online a lot, and Ultimate Alliance was great the sequel not so much.
    I'm tempted to try DC Universe Online, but I still haven't done so yet. If I do, it will be my first MMORPG.

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    8. G.I. Joe: Special Missions #18. I actually bought two original pages from the book last year.
    I can tell you my first MOTU toys(Stratos & Battle Cat), my first G.I. Joe(Snowjob & the Polar Battle Bear), and my first issues of Mad(#249) & Cracked Magazine(#199), but, since I've been getting comics for as long as I can remember, I just don't know what my first comic was. I definitely was a big fan of Marvel's G.I. joe though.

    I've heard about this movie for awhile now. It's based on a popular Italian comic and is finally getting released theatrically in a couple weeks...

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    That Dylan Dog movie looks like it could be fun, I keep thinking I'll finally get around to reading the books but then something else comes up.
    Totally agree about Fear Itself, I guess it's something like "other Thors"? I don't know maybe I'm just crossover-ed out.

    How about Spider-Man? I know a lot of people said that OMD made them quit reading ASM but I thought that after that it got really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    That Dylan Dog movie looks like it could be fun, I keep thinking I'll finally get around to reading the books but then something else comes up.
    The movie looks pretty fun to me as well. It's weird seeing "Superman" & "Jimmy Olsen" in the world of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer".

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    Totally agree about Fear Itself, I guess it's something like "other Thors"? I don't know maybe I'm just crossover-ed out.
    I understand what Marvel is doing with Fear Itself. Since Captain America & Thor are their big movies this summer, they are making a crossover heavy with those 2 characters. The Red Skull's daughter gets new powers from Norse mythology while Odin just happens to return in time for Anthony Hopkin's portrayal. I also hear Steve Rogers is going to be Captain America again as well, but I'm not sure if that will be in this mini. While it makes sense as a way to lure in movie fans who don't normally read comics, that hardly ever works. If there is even a little blip in comic sales after a new superhero movie, it goes right back to normal after a couple of months. I hate how the people in charge at Marvel only seem to think of the comics as fodder for new movies while caring little of what those of us who have been loyal to the company for decades feel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    How about Spider-Man? I know a lot of people said that OMD made them quit reading ASM but I thought that after that P.O.S it got really good.
    I'm not currently buying any Marvel books anymore, but I occasionally flip through them(or actually read some like I did with Fear Itself #1). I was still buying them when BND started. Like most people, I HATED OMD. While I'm not a huge MJ fan(she's often been written as annoying to me), there were so many better ways to "fix" Spidey(even though the marriage wasn't hurting him imo; that's what Ultimate Spidey is for). Anyway, I tried BND but didn't like it. I didn't like how most of the "new" villains were obviously based on classic Spidey villains. I also didn't like that Peter was now written as kinda unlikable as well as someone whose life was full of one night stands(he didn't seem like the Peter I grew up with). I'm also not fond of what has been done to Jonah(or his wife). That latest temporary costume of his also makes the Iron Spidey costume look good imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Shokoti View Post
    I understand what Marvel is doing with Fear Itself. Since Captain America & Thor are their big movies this summer, they are making a crossover heavy with those 2 characters. The Red Skull's daughter gets new powers from Norse mythology while Odin just happens to return in time for Anthony Hopkin's portrayal. I also hear Steve Rogers is going to be Captain America again as well, but I'm not sure if that will be in this mini.
    Yeah, I'm about on the same level. It seems like Fear Itself is at least partially a vehicle to return Asgard to the status quo that gels with the movie, the same way the X-Men titles tried to line up with their movies. Matt Fraction (writer of Fear Itself and Thor) is also the guy generally considered to have brought Iron Man "back in line" with the movie version (bringing Pepper back to prominence, absolving Tony of his acts in Civil War, etc) so it makes sense. They already casually brought Odin and Loki back, so it's all setting up the pieces.

    Fear Itself doesn't seem to generate much hype, though, and most of what I've seen is bad. The "Chosen" (The hammer-bearers for the series) aren't that interesting as a group (Basically all of them are super-strong bruisers... who now have hammers), the Serpent is really shoe-horned in as the "new big bad" and such. Also, Bucky will be in a Russian prison during the event. Some kind of murder charge thing, but I'm sure it's mostly about getting Steve coming back as Cap. Fraction is not a good writer, in my mind. He's barely more qualified than Bendis to handle this sort of thing.

    Also, before I forget, Fear Itself also features some heavy-handed social relevance in the form of adressing the World Trade Center mosque protests. It is just as hamfisted as it sounds.


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    Anyway, I tried BND but didn't like it.
    I feel the Spider-Man titles are still struggling under the metaphysical weight of OMD. Quesada dictating a story that essentially mocked the fans (Called "One Moment In Time" which explains how OMD "worked) was pretty groan-inducing, and there's constant waffling around in which direction to take the franchise. The current regime seem to be under the mindset that Peter's life should always be a never-ending downward spiral of failure and loss, totally disregarding that that was only ever part of why Spider-Man became popular originally.

    Also, I know a lot of people loved Grim Hunt, but I found it utterly bad. Maybe even offensively so.

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    1. Flashpoint might be good I don't think there has been enough lead-in to it.
    2. I was always more of a Marvel guy growing up but now....eh. Marvel has much better movies but that might be just a matter of there being like 3 marvel movies to every one DC movie. Thor had better be good.
    3. Not really, I have read some of the Star Wars books and enjoyed them but not enough to keep up with them. I did really like the Tag and Bink!
    4.Batman: The Brave and the bold and The Avengers still haven't seen the new young justice cartoon is it any good? Oh and The Walking Dead=awesome.
    5. no.
    6. I want to like the new Marvel Universe figures but the scale just turns me off. I loved the Marvel Legends line but quit when Hasbro took over, I guess Mattel by default.
    7. I like DC universe online a lot, and Ultimate Alliance was great the sequel not so much.
    8. G.I. Joe: Special Missions #18. I actually bought two original pages from the book last year.
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    I was hoping it wasn't true since I'm not a fan of Mark Waid or the maxi-series, but it looks like the upcoming Man Of Steel movie is going to be based on Waid's Birthright...

    http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...an-birthright/

    I'd take either John Byrne's Man Of Steel or Geoff John's recent Secret Origin. The more I hear about this movie, the more I'm not upset that it isn't going to be a part of the JLA movie.



    It's now been officially announced from Warner Brothers who Joseph Gordon Levitt and Marion Cotillard will be playing in Chris Nolan‘s third Batmovie, The Dark Knight Rises.


    Cotillard will appear as Miranda Tate, a Wayne Enterprises board member eager to help a still-grieving Bruce Wayne resume his father’s philanthropic endeavors for Gotham.

    Gordon-Levitt will play John Blake, a Gotham City beat cop assigned to special duty under the command of Commissioner Gordon.



    Not too exciting when compared to all the previous rumors.
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    While I like Nolan's Batman movies (with the exception of the whole "I don't have to save you" thing in the first movie and the kind of waste of the best Batman villain in the second movie) I really thought that Joseph Gordon Levitt would have a bigger role this sounds like a bit part.

    Is anybody reading the new DnD comic? As someone who just in the last couple of years started to play DnD it's kind of a cool book.
    What about IDW's G.I.Joe books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    Is anybody reading the new DnD comic? As someone who just in the last couple of years started to play DnD it's kind of a cool book.
    What about IDW's G.I.Joe books?
    I picked up the first Dungeons & Dragons book since I've always liked the idea of its world(more so than what I've seen of World Of Warcraft), but the closest I've come to roleplaying is the one time I played Magic. I never got any issues after that since I'm behind on the things I really want to read.

    I've been getting IDW's Joe books since they first got the license, but I'm behind on reading them(although I'm aware of what's recently happened to Cobra). From what I've seen though, I'm not sure I really love the rebooted IDW canon(although it's not extremely bad either). I am eager to see what they do with the relaunch of their main line of books next month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    While I like Nolan's Batman movies (with the exception of the whole "I don't have to save you" thing in the first movie and the kind of waste of the best Batman villain in the second movie) I really thought that Joseph Gordon Levitt would have a bigger role this sounds like a bit part.
    I'm curious what you didn't like about the "I don't have to save you" line. I didn't love it myself, but I'm just wondering what your opinion on it is.

    When you said "the best Batman villain", were you referring to The Joker or Two-Face?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Shokoti View Post
    I picked up the first Dungeons & Dragons book since I've always liked the idea of its world(more so than what I've seen of World Of Warcraft), but the closest I've come to roleplaying is the one time I played Magic. I never got any issues after that since I'm behind on the things I really want to read.

    I've been getting IDW's Joe books since they first got the license, but I'm behind on reading them(although I'm aware of what's recently happened to Cobra). From what I've seen though, I'm not sure I really love the rebooted IDW canon(although it's not extremely bad either). I am eager to see what they do with the relaunch of their main line of books next month.



    I'm curious what you didn't like about the "I don't have to save you" line. I didn't love it myself, but I'm just wondering what your opinion on it is.

    When you said "the best Batman villain", were you referring to The Joker or Two-Face?
    Going backwards.
    Two-Face. He is one of top three villains of all time and I thought Aaron Eckhart was great, I just wanted more. I kept telling myself after the movie that he lived.
    As for the "I don't have to save you" thing, to me he murdered Ra's. It just doesn't sit right with me that Batman basically killed someone it goes against everything I think of when I think of Batman.

    I love the IDW JOE books. Chuckles was always my number one toy as a child, I don't know why, but when Devil's Due killed him off I quit that book. GIJOE Cobra made me like Sepentor too.

    Like Sandman said the DnD book is just a ton of fun. If you get a chance to catch up you should. Also SkullKickers by Image. DnD fantasy without all that pesky story stuff, lots of fun.

    And the Avengers books? I read Academy, plain, and New and that's the order I'd put them in. Anyone else read them?

    Mr. Shokoti, What about the Thor movie turns you off it? i think the commercials make it look really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    Going backwards.
    Two-Face. He is one of top three villains of all time and I thought Aaron Eckhart was great, I just wanted more. I kept telling myself after the movie that he lived.
    As for the "I don't have to save you" thing, to me he murdered Ra's. It just doesn't sit right with me that Batman basically killed someone it goes against everything I think of when I think of Batman.
    I agree with everything you said. I thought I understood you, but I didn't want to agree just to have you say "that's not what I meant". Although, since Batman wasn't dropping villains off buildings or setting them on fire(I'm not a big fan of the Tim Burton Batman movies beyond Michael Keaton, their look, and Danny Elfman's score), I was able to accept Batman's treatment of Ra's as a slight improvement over the last Batman movie franchise.

    Two-Face is my favorite Bat villain. Besides the fact that he has so much depth(his tragedy is that, besides being scarred, he was a good person once), I feel the Joker can be annoying & is soooo overrated(I meant the comic version but I guess I'd say the same about Ledger's Joker too).

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    And the Avengers books? I read Academy, plain, and New and that's the order I'd put them in. Anyone else read them?
    I know he has legions of fans and is quite popular, but I feel Bendis has ruined the Avengers. I read some of the Dan Slott Avengers before the book was cancelled(I believe it was Mighty Avengers), but I can't read Bendis anymore. I used to enjoy his work, but he's either gone down hill or my eyes were opened to his weaknesses. Besides the fact that he ignores continuity(although I know a lot of people don't care about that as long as they enjoy the storyline), I feel all his characters sound alike. If Academy is written by Christos Gage(I don't read Marvel anymore so I'm not sure if I'm up to date on my creative teams), I'm sure it's a pretty good book. He's one of the few Marvel writers I enjoy. Unfortunately, everything he writes is ensconced in the family of books or the big events that I don't like.

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    Mr. Shokoti, What about the Thor movie turns you off it? i think the commercials make it look really good.
    My problem with Thor is a whole bunch of little things all added together. I'll still see it and I may actually be surprised to enjoy it(that's what happened with the G.I. Joe movie and Iron Man 1 even though I was expecting to dislike them).

    * In the 2 movies I've seen him in, I find the lead to be a poor actor(according to rumors, Anthony Hopkins agrees).

    * I used to like her, but after the Star Wars Prequels, Black Swan(I'm one of the few who found that movie to be pretentious, obvious, and extremely overrated), & a few others, I'm not eager to see Natalie Portman in anything for awhile.

    * I haven't been a fan of Thor's armored costume since it was first revealed several years ago and the movie is giving us a version of it.

    * I'm not a fan of changing a character's sex or race just to be "proactive". Sometimes it works imo like Michael Clarke Duncan's Kingpin, but it usually comes off as an unnecessary & obnoxiously P.C. change.

    * Based on what I heard, I don't like the plot(I won't go into details so I won't spoil it for anyone).

    * Asgard doesn't fill me with any sense of wonder based on the trailers. It looks like a bland set design that could have come out of a direct-to-video movie.

    I can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but I will say the Destroyer looks great. Even though I'm not a fan of the helmet, Captain America, on the other hand, looks pretty good.




    **Neal Adams With Bendis On Avengers!!!**

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=32007

    This might have made me curious enough to give a Bendis Avengers book a try, but after Batman Odyssey, no thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    And the Avengers books? I read Academy, plain, and New and that's the order I'd put them in. Anyone else read them?
    I started getting the regular Avengers the last few months, you can always lure me in with Infinity Gems/Gauntlet. I'm gonna start on New Avengers next. Academy I'm not so sure on.

    The art could be better but the stories seem solid.

    Also am I the only one who is sick and tired of Deadpool and his 75 titles, team-ups, and crossovers?

    For God's sake go back into obscurity will ya?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeyboy Prime View Post
    Is anybody reading the new DnD comic? As someone who just in the last couple of years started to play DnD it's kind of a cool book.
    I like this a lot. Solid art and fun storytelling. I'd say it's well worth the read, even if you're not a hardcore D&D fan.

    I'm also happy they're reprinting the old DC D&D comics line in tpb form too! Go IDW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    I'm also happy they're reprinting the old DC D&D comics line in tpb form too! Go IDW!
    IDW is great when it comes to licenses. They reprint practically everything that's come before. If MOTU ever gets a new comic, I hope IDW gets it. They're probably the best chance we'll get of seeing all of the various MOTU/POP comics from around the world collected all in one place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Shokoti View Post
    IDW is great when it comes to licenses. They reprint practically everything that's come before. If MOTU ever gets a new comic, I hope IDW gets it. They're probably the best chance we'll get of seeing all of the various MOTU/POP comics from around the world collected all in one place.
    Absolutely agreed. Their trades of impossible-to-find UK Doctor Who comics are brilliant, and I hope they continue! If only Mattel can broker a deal with IDW to take up the MOTU license... though I expect Mattel may rankle at using the same publishers as the Hasbro properties.

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