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    Roast Gooble Dinner - Episode 047 Discussion!

    Episode 047 of He-Man.org's Roast Gooble Dinner is here!
    We hope you're hungry.



    Val Staples, Emiliano Santalucia, "Pixel Dan" Eardley and Eamon O'Donoghue are back to discuss He-Man and She-Ra.

    This is a Four Horsemen filled show as Eric Treadaway joins us to chat about toys, sculpting and more!

    Over the course of the show the crew touches on topics such as
    stactions and statues,
    differences between 200x and MOTUC,
    questions about MOTUC sculpting details,
    female toy dress mobility,
    Battle Pigeon and Doom Dove,
    Mattel's input on sculpting,
    movie talk,
    She-Ra's head sculpt
    and He-Man's head sculpt.

    MOTUC bios discussed in this show:
    (none)

    MOTUC figures discussed in this show:
    Clawful

    Intro/Outro info:
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    And as always, you'll enjoy some extra seasoning with this episode's Fanart of the week, Collectible of the week and Fansite of the week!

    So pull up your chair and fill up your plate! It's time to chow down on a tasty serving of fandom here on He-Man.org's Roast Gooble Dinner!

    Runtime: 2 hour, 11 minutes, 49 seconds

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    Thank you. Something to start the day with!

    And extra long, too!
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    I specifically logged on to check if a new episode was posted.

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    - Re: sell outs. I think TG explained the reason Mattel does not like the 2 week sell outs because it ends up costing them a lot more money for storage space. I forget when he said it, but he said something to that effect. That's probably why they're cutting down on the re-issues. They were really good for those just getting into the line.

    - Really sad to hear about most of the Staction answers. I got Jitsu without a broken ponytail! I opened him though. YAY! Nice to hear Eric say he loves the sidekick guys. Bring on Kowl and Loo-Kee.

    - Depressing to hear about how awesome Faker Staction would have been.

    - I have no problems with Classics Clawful. I love him. I would have liked an alternate 200X head...but we all know what happened there...

    - I liked everything Eric says about the female figures (articulation, soft clothes intention), but a huge "NO!" on the Giganta dress! I have her and that dress is terrible. It's a sticky rubber material and collects dust and other gross things almost like fly paper. I would have been so disappointed with this! Rock hard Teela dress is much better than fly paper! The ball jointed waist would have been cool if it worked correctly. I wonder if they fixed it for Queen Marlena (if she does really have a new internal piece)?

    - The 4H's 200X pitch is basically where MOTUC is going now, right? Renegade Masters? Skeletor's in control...

    - @ Eric: Skeletor wins and takes over Primus in the New Adventures of He-Man. Hordak took over Etheria too (like you talked about with Star Wars and the Evil Empire...that was the Horde. ).

    - Thank you for asking a PoP-related question Emil! I was dying when you guys were talking about the style of figures and PoP wasn't brought up (toys vs. Styleguide vs. hybrids)! Weird that She-Ra's head IS Adora's, but turned out differently. Adora's face is so much prettier! Same with BGT vs. Teela. It could also be the "sweaty face syndrome" (SFS). She-Ra's face (to me) does look a little sunken in, in the middle of the face. Hole-in-the-head face doesn't have that look though. *shrugs*

    - Re: hole-in-the-head...I don't recall if I made that woman comment (I know I never made a comment about them being sexist though!), but if I did, I apologize. I was so unhappy with that design choice! They did it right with Catra's head and masks, and they will with She-Ra 2.0, so it's all good now.

    I would like to thank Eric for talking to you guys for such a long time and answering all those questions! I can't wait until part two!
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    Ooh! This is one I gotta listen to right away!

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    OMG, and I gotta wait another 8 hours till I can listen to it!
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    Oh man...I haven't listened to a RGD in a long time (crappy internet and can't find the 2 hours of time), but I HAVE to listen to this one!
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    I like when Eric said that 200X was how he interpreted MOTU as an adult, which is exactly where I'm at now and how I feel, as opposed to the Classic line is supposed to evoke the feelings when you were a kid. My tastes have changed and evolved.

    The Blonde Teela (Battleground and Alcala Teela) Thread
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    A couple of the comments I've been hearing about online "keyboard warriors" are a bit unfair, imo. From what I'm getting out of those conversations, there almost seems to be this notion of: "if you're not willing to say it in person, then you shouldn't be saying it at all!", which I completely disagree with, as some folks are better at articulating their points in written word than orally. So really, a reluctance to discuss something in person shouldn't automatically nullify all that a person has to say. Just something to keep in mind when discussing this topic.

    Secondly, I think I butt heads with some folks on these forums because my approach to Mattel and the Four Horsemen is totally different than what's considered the norm. In my mind, the playing field is level; there isn't a preconceived notion that one or the other is better or worse. Mattel isn't automatically the big bad evil corporation to me. The Four Horsemen aren't automatically the shining hope of the line, and free of any wrong-doing, simply because they happen to be fans, super talented, creative etc. And that's where some problems emerge...

    When fans are having issues with something related to the sculpting side of things, which Eric says there are no Mattel-issued mandates on (though I'm confused because of the whole Count Marzo fiasco...when they were told to downplay 2002 influence), you really can't refer to the Four Horsemen - The Sculpting Team- collectively when venting, in the same way that folks do with Mattel -The Corporation- Why is that?

    Moreover, I do feel like POP fans are sometimes unfairly singled-out as irrational complainers by the Four Horsemen and I just think: "But this is exactly how a lot of MOTU fans react about similar scenarios and you're not telling them to calm down." From what I recall, nobody said the 4H aren't entitled to their favorites, but rather were questioning why most of the MOTU favorites listed in ToyFare were coming out sooner than later, while most of the POP stuff was on the back burner. (They did list some POP favorites) Also, questioning why the sub exclusives, extra non-toyline additions etc. were always MOTU characters. Things of that nature.

    I dunno. I think it's normal to sometimes be frustrated.

    Anyhoo...I do think things will improve in the future.

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    I personally would like to have virtually no comedic elements in a Masters movie. I do agree with Eamon, that you could make a good action/comedy Masters movie, but that's not what I want to see right now. Maybe after a proper trilogy, and it could be a straight to DVD release. Now I want a dark, adult movie. I think something in the vein of a more colorful Lord of the Rings would be a good starting place. No camp, no goofiness.

    With how long it's taking to get this movie rolling, and the way things are more and more digitized, by the time the movie does come out in 2020 maybe we'll have the option to select which costume our movie He-man is wearing on our BlueRay 3.0 home video release of the movie in 3D holographic high-def.

    Wouldn't that be cool? It would be like in the new Green Lantern movie - if they rendered his costume in green, red, etc and you could pick which one you wanted to watch. You could have 200x He-man, Filmation, Vintage toy, maybe even Battle Armor. Like putting a skin on a video game.

    I love Classics Clawful. He is my most anticipated announced figure.

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    I might have heard wrong/be remembering wrong, but did Eric say they presented the 2007 prototype He-Man to Mattel, with their own specially designed packaging?

    If so, I would be very interested in seeing it, indeed.

    If not, sorry.
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    Hmmmmm, Kindereggs, it's some of my favorite chocolate. Remember building toy stuff, which were in there in my childhood. And it still tastes awesome today

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    personally, i think clawful was almost perfect - just the shield is a bit too glossy.

    a bit of me died inside when u talked about castle grayskull

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    Fantastic episode.

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    Vintage vs 200X
    I do not agree with the argument at the end. I don't know 200X fans who hate the vintage line. I do know people who prefer some (or in a few cases: most) 200X designs over the old designs (Adam, Whiplash, Clawful, Rattlor in my case). What I start to dislike is that I have to defend me preferring 200X designs or being disappointed in not getting more 200X-inspired details. Or that is a great offense to say the original Clawful head looks goofy to me.

    Whiplash - why there was less critique of the vintage head:
    Fans like me who prefer the 200X look of the character had no reason to be disappointed and voice critique because we had "our" head and the fans of the original look had theirs. No need to pick on a design we could just put away and use the one we preferred. But for Clawful we don't have a different interpretation.

    Clawful
    I have difficulty with some of the reasoning: If I don't like the vintage design as much as the 200X design and say I would have preferred a head without the black eyebrows and the big eyes - why should I agree that it is the right decision to stay with the vintage design? To me staying close to the original head is still a suboptimal decision¹ - even though it is the vision of the Horsemen.²

    "It's not the point of this line to make the character look better" is not necessarily something I find logical

    1) Well, if there's no alternative head that is.
    2) Which to me still means the "incorporating all areas" thing put forth the first year was misleading to the 200X fans.

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    This was perhaps my favorite dinner. It felt like a bonus feature on a DVD. I'd love to hear even more technical details.

    Irian said:
    "It's not the point of this line to make the character look better" is not necessarily something I find logical

    I couldn't agree more with this, Irian. It's my only problem with the line, and it seems like it's just because my vision of what I want the line to be is not the vision of what the line is.
    This line is about updating the vintage figures. I want a line that makes the best possible figure and ignores childish elements (Clawful's eyebrows), design flaws (Battle Armor Skeletor's boots), technical difficulties (skin-tone wrist bands), and action feature elements (Hordak's dial) from the past.
    Which is fine. I'll buy what I want and avoid what I don't. It's just good to vocalize what the line is. "Vintage first."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibernish View Post
    I personally would like to have virtually no comedic elements in a Masters movie. I do agree with Eamon, that you could make a good action/comedy Masters movie, but that's not what I want to see right now. Maybe after a proper trilogy, and it could be a straight to DVD release. Now I want a dark, adult movie. I think something in the vein of a more colorful Lord of the Rings would be a good starting place. No camp, no goofiness.
    ...sorry, are you talking about the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings? With Merry & Pippin setting a firework off in front of them and ending up with soot on their faces, "It's the dwarves that go swimming with little hairy women" and so on? THAT LotR?

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    I'm the opposite of a "keyboard warrior." I'm actually nicer & more open to interact online than I am in person. I'm not a JERK in person, but I have no problem getting in someone's face if they deserve it. I also prefer to be that quiet guy who stays in the back checking things out & makin' my move when I see fit. (I'll never forget what Val said about how I look when he approached me at the pub in San Diego.) I remember telling him, "What you see is what you get, but there's more to me as well."

    Anyway, I liked this episode a lot. It was a real treat to hear Eric & his points.
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    Yeah man!
    You look you can kick some ass, but you're a super nice guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Sword View Post
    I also prefer to be that quiet guy who stays in the back checking things out & makin' my move when I see fit. (I'll never forget what Val said about how I look when he approached me at the pub in San Diego.) I remember telling him, "What you see is what you get, but there's more to me as well."
    You sound pretty cool, Power Sword. For some reason I'm thinking of Uma Thurman's quote in Pulp Fiction: "That's when you know you've found somebody really special. When you can just shut the **** up for a minute and comfortably share silence."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallstar View Post
    A couple of the comments I've been hearing about online "keyboard warriors" are a bit unfair, imo. From what I'm getting out of those conversations, there almost seems to be this notion of: "if you're not willing to say it in person, then you shouldn't be saying it at all!", which I completely disagree with, as some folks are better at articulating their points in written word than orally. So really, a reluctance to discuss something in person shouldn't automatically nullify all that a person has to say. Just something to keep in mind when discussing this topic.
    "keyboard warriors?" Really?

    I haven't listened yet, but now I'm afraid to.

    What is any of us supposed to do? Text, TG? Call him up and ask him to lunch? The only time any of us can talk to him, or any of the 4H in person, is at a con. I've only been to one con: NYCC. That was two years ago (Scott wasn't at last year's). He was completely inaccessible because he was surrounded by "fans" on the floor. During the Q&A panel, I and several others did ask good questions. But at that time (2 years ago), there weren't really any problems... Just Digital River. The Goddess hadn't even been released yet.

    As for the 4H, other than the snarky comments about POP fans, and Catra's comb-whip design, I have zero problems. However, NO POP fan has ever been inappropriately vocal about what he or she wants in the line... No fan/customer has... Not possible... You have to be vocal... That's a part of being an artist in a commercial milieu: listening to your boss and/or your customers).

    Both the 4H and TG communicate regularly with the customer fans via their keyboards. It's completely unfair to rag on anyone for responding I'm kind.

    I'll just take the "keyboard warriors" comment as a great indicator that they are hearing EVERYTHING we say when we have an issue. If it didn't get through, it wouldn't be bruising their egos. That is really what comments like that are about in the end. Bruised ego.

    Must listen to this - hopefully I didn't misinterpret Tally's comments!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcrduke View Post
    As for the 4H, other than the snarky comments about POP fans
    What comments are these? I don't recall seeing them offhand. (note: I haven't listened to this podcast yet, but if it's something that they posted somewhere, I'm just interesting in what was said).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia View Post
    What comments are these? I don't recall seeing them offhand. (note: I haven't listened to this podcast yet, but if it's something that they posted somewhere, I'm just interesting in what was said).
    A couple episodes back, I believe one of the 4H said that POP fans were whining. So now, having heard what was said in the last few minutes of this Gooble, I'm beginning to wonder if they resent us or something.

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    Good listen. I love to hear interviews on gooble!

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    Maybe some fans are too emotional when it's up to toys?

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