Tonight I was taking out some garbage, and chatting on my cellphone. A vagrant or druggie had taken up shelter underneath a stairwell in the building next to mine. As I was laying down my things, he kicked dirt and rocks from the top of the hill down onto me!
I was shocked, having not even considered someone being there. Now I don't know where your personal level of pride is, but mine is enough that you don't kick dirt in my face for no reason. I said hello and stood there with my phone, but they didn't respond. So now furious, and yet, remaining cautious that there could be more than 1, or they could be armed, I jogged home and concocted my vegence.
A picnic jug of fun. 1 part bleach. 1 part cat dirty litter. The concoction was so nauseating that I had to put a lid on it to mix it. I ran back around the opposite side of the building, climbed into the area and dumped it into the shelter. I heard rustling and groaning as I walked away. I'm guessing the person (s) aren't sitting too comfortable there tonight with the rotten stench bomb I released into their little party house. Even if the sludge didn't hit them directly, the reek will.
Does this make me a bad person? Or am I merely adhering to the golden rule? "Cat pooh onto others, as they do onto you..."
Last edited by Sky Breaker; May 23, 2011 at 02:59am.
Not good.Do you know for sure if what he did to you was no purpose? Plus, he's kinda homeless. His life is already crappy as it is, and you made it worse.
The Golden Rule is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," not "Do unto others as they have done unto you."
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Kevenn is right that is not good
But it is also very funny
I guess I am also a bad person
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I dunno, I'm kinda with Sky on this. Revenge is a dish best served cold...and stinky LOL
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Well I would have made sure he had done that on purpose. If there wasn't a way to make sure, then just walk it off and get on with your life. Think about it: you just took time out of your life to get back at a homeless person. Does that make you feel like a good person?
It's not like I wouldn't have been angry, but it's just not worth the time it takes to get back at people. I wouldn't say you're a bad person, but I would say that you took it WAY too personally. You don't have to "turn the other cheek" but you also don't have to launch your own assault.
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I think you went a bit over-board there.
The stench is a lot worse than some pebbles and dirt, y'know? I figure it would have been ok if you had just collected some fresh cat-sand and dirt, and then thrown it down there.
You could even have increased the dosage, in comparison to what he did, and I still think it would have been more in line with "an eye for an eye".
I figure your revenge was more like "2 eyes for an eye". That's a no-no.
dude..................
Eye for an eye is supposed to be the limitation because we tend to go over board. Which could be argued it makes you normal.
I would have personally checked on the person first, for all we know he was smacked around for some youtube video and then shoved under the stair well.
It was possibly it was unintentional, person could have been scared hearing your voice and wanting to avoid a confrontation, or so out of it they didn't hear you.
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See I don't support that "Do onto others" , because I see people all the time doing crappy things to one another. They never take a second to consider the feelings of their victims. And they never show remorse.
You don't accidently kick dirt into someones face. Whomever was in that tent did it on purpose. I was pelted from above. It is no different from purposefully calling someone names, laughing at them, punching them in the face, stealing, etc
If you perform a cruel act on someone, for no reason, then in turn, you owe. Most of the time people victimize others with no retaliation. Now he might think twice. I don't go hurting others for no reason, but I'm not going to stand there with a smile on my face or cower if someone tries something with me. I'll assess the situation, and plan and adequate revenge. Its a harsh lesson process some people need to learn. If he had extended a kindness to me, said hello or something, I may have gone back with some food, feeling sorry for the individual who was given the raw deal in life. But we all make choices.
Now maybe he will move on, and the next time someone else takes out their garbage in the area they pay good coin to live in, they won't have to suffer insult due to malcontent who has rooted himself under a stair.
Last edited by Sky Breaker; May 23, 2011 at 01:27pm.
Do unto others is about you not the other person. If you are doing it for the return result you are doing it for the wrong reason. Which is the way most people teach that axiom. When you do the right thing you won't need to feel justified in your actions, because you did the right thing. If you expect them to reciprocate you are just setting yourself up for frustration.
You are also content and not angry anytime something doesn't go your way.
And I don't know the full situation I wasn't there, and part of me does want to cheer for you. But then does that make me any better than the scum who did it? No, it just means I got the last laugh.
Last edited by wyldman11; May 23, 2011 at 02:09pm.
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One Gum Drop to bring them all and in the sweetness bind them
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So basically, your question at the beginning of this thread was disingenuous. You'd already decided the answer, but you came here looking for a pat on the back for returning rudeness with intentional cruelty.
Sorry, but those are not kind values; not the values I learned in He-Man & She-Ra cartoons. And rationalizing that people won't learn otherwise, is simply rationalizing crummy behavior and makes you no better.
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The way I read this is that the homeless man kicked dirt down on you. Are you 100% sure he did it on purpose, or could he have just been rearranging himself and some accdentally fell?
As for the retaliation, bleach could have some serious health effects. What if he was passed from something and he sat there for hours with bleach burning his skin and airways?
Probably would have been best to contact the landlord or police and have him removed.
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Yeah, I kind of have to agree with this.
To be honest, I'm not necessarily against the idea of 'an eye for an eye' depending on the circumstances, but based on the description, it does seem questionable as to whether or not what he did was intentional, and even if it was, the punishment certainly didn't fit the crime and was far more extreme than it should have been (especially with the health effects that exposure to a high contration of bleach can cause, as GeologyMule pointed out).
And Sky Breaker, I only have your description to go from here which is very generalized, but you are describing him being on the top of some hill and you being lower down. How high and steep is this hill? How far away (feet-wise) were you from this guy? Depending on the proximity of things, it could have been an accident. I mean, the dirt or whatever went DOWN hill... in the direction that gravity general goes. If he was just moving around and knock up some dirt and stuff in the process, it's not all that unconceivable that this was an accident.
If it had been the other way around... him being on the lower end and you being higher up, and then something hit you from his direction, then I could see there being more of a reason for being upset. But even then, I would think it would be best to be absolutely certain that he did this intentionally, and the punishment shouldn't be nearly as extreme.
Calling the cops and having him removed would have been much more reasonable (even if it was an accident, since technically he shouldn't be there in the first place).
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Not knowing if he did it on purpose is the main issue.
But then to hit him with that homemade stinkbomb using caustic chemicals?
I can't say that was a good thing.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime, and we're not even sure if the guy was trying to kick dirt on you.
If you were really concerned about the guy, I would have just called the authorities.
even if the homeless guy (who may or may not be crazy) did it on purpose...
dude...
I feel what you did was far worse and definitely worthy of police interaction. If someone has tourettes and swears at you, do you throw hot coffee in their face? Most homeless people are homeless due to mental problems. To attack one in such a vicious manner is disgusting imo. I have a bad temper, but I never would have let it get any farther than screaming "what the ****". Even if I thought of it, I would have cooled off by the time I got home and starting mixing things together.
Last edited by Mr. Shokoti; May 23, 2011 at 05:47pm.
Not to mention that if he would've been seriously hurt by the chemicals, what you did would be looked at legally as "premeditated".Not knowing if he did it on purpose is the main issue.
But then to hit him with that homemade stinkbomb using caustic chemicals?
I can't say that was a good thing.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime, and we're not even sure if the guy was trying to kick dirt on you.
If you were really concerned about the guy, I would have just called the authorities.
please don't quote half a quote.
"do unto others, AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU..."
so do what you WANT, or HOPE that people would do.....
it basically means, be a good person. be a bigger person.
I kind of think you failed this one. no offense.
I'm with the group. Don't retaliate because it could also escalate. You just provoked him.
He should not be there. Call the authorities to handle him. They have welfare programs to help him. He's either there because he's too mentally unstable to get himself to these help programs or turned his back on the help. So by calling the authorities he will either be sent to those facilities or learn that if he shows back up you will just call the authorities on him so he should ramble on.
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Sorry dude, but that was pretty messed.
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It was a rotten thing to do.
The worst part is how premeditated your revenge was. You clearly had time to cool down, but instead you chose to get all wound up about it.
Not cool, man.
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Add me to the group that thinks what you did was pretty rotten.
I just can't get behind it.
Last edited by JonWes; May 24, 2011 at 12:38am.
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