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    I'm reading now:

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    One thing I like about "Animal Man" and "Swamp Thing" is they are building up to what's sure to be a terrific crossover event involving "the green" and "the red". Based on the first four issues of each, I have a feeling it's going to be a wild ride Like "Sandman"-and-"Fables"-level greatness.

    When I started reading them, I was just trying new titles and had no idea their stories would intertwine. Pretty cool.
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    Well looks like a half dozen have been cancelled and new ones are coming. Anyone know when Earth 2 (JSA) is coming out? I heard May. I want to subscribe ASAP.
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    Rather upset on the whole swerve they did with the Huntress. Hoping that there ends up being two Huntresses in the new DCU but its likely only the one sadly.

    http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/0...-got-rebooted/

    And most of the comics numbers are sliding horribly, wonder how many of the original 52 will be around at issue 12.And I am still thinking they could use Pandora as an escape still back to the previous universe.
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    Yeah, seems awful quick to make that change. I think DC needs to find out why people aren't sticking around, I have a feeling it has more to do with $$ than anything. This is why digital issues should cost less by quite a bit. I just don't see why the comic industry isn't seeing what is going on with book stores, which has a broader base, and not planning ahead like Barnes and Nobles did. Barnes and Nobles have said they wouldn't be here if they hadn't made the Nook, and the books on there are often cheaper for digital format.
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    I mean look at Batgirl's sales, they are gonig down rather fast:

    07/2011: Batgirl #23 -- 22,619 (- 3.0%)
    08/2011: Batgirl #24 -- 22,695 (+ 0.3%)
    09/2011: Batgirl #1 -- 90,543 (+299.0%)
    10/2011: Batgirl #2 -- 83,586 (- 7.7%)
    11/2011: Batgirl #3 -- 69,971 (- 16.3%)

    I wonder if the comic industry could end up making their own comic reader type device. Maybe each company marketing their own hand held unit, and offer comics inbetween $1.00 and $1.99 digitally. Trades could be a flat $9.99.
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    Has anyone else dropped a lot of titles? I just dropped All-Star Western, Swamp Thing, and Grifter. They weren't bad by any means, but the story just keeps going on and on and I want them to move on. I'll just get those series in paperback form. I also dropped Action Comics, which dropped in quality in issues 3 and 4, and the to be continued in issue 7 crap is what truly ruined it for me.

    No big loss for the 6 comics that were cancelled, as they sucked. I am looking forward to the Earth 2 stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Kain View Post
    Has anyone else dropped a lot of titles? I just dropped All-Star Western, Swamp Thing, and Grifter. They weren't bad by any means, but the story just keeps going on and on and I want them to move on. I'll just get those series in paperback form. I also dropped Action Comics, which dropped in quality in issues 3 and 4, and the to be continued in issue 7 crap is what truly ruined it for me.

    No big loss for the 6 comics that were cancelled, as they sucked. I am looking forward to the Earth 2 stuff.
    I am interested in the Earth 2 series as well, including World's Finest but not at the loss of Helena Bertinelli, and the bait and switch they pulled in solicitations early on saying it was Bertinelli only to have it change into Wayne mid-way through the Huntress series.

    I still think they need to have the Bertinelli Huntress be the current Earths Huntress. It would be fun to have two Huntresses.
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    I have enjoyed the reboot but wasn't too familiar with the old DC Universe, so I'm definitely in the minority. The only title I dropped was Batwoman and quickly replaced it with Detective Comics, which has been fantastic, despite a short issue #5. Call me crazy, but I'm pulling 20 titles a month and have no complaints.

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    Sales are going down since a lot of people bought every title for the first month or so. Between finding money and enough time to read 52+ DC titles every month(along with whatever other comics a person might buy), it wasn't going to last forever. Sure, most titles are going to probably drop to what they used to be, but since we actually have comics featuring Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Aquaman that are popular, I feel DC did some good with the reboot. Unfortunately, they also did some bad(Jim Lee's costume designs, Rob Liefeld writing/plotting 3 books, the awful new logo that doesn't even look like "DC" to someone not in the know, mixing continuity reboots with books theat kept their Pre-Flashpoint canon just like they did in the 80's).
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    DCU new 52 by the numbers (Just for fun, until this months comes in :) )

    And what I like about the numbers is while Batgirl is selling more than Batwoman, Batwoman is keeping more readers monthly. Batgirl lost a combined 24 percent from issue one to three. Where Batwoman only lost 16.7 percent. And Batwoman went up in sales in her second month where Batgirl went down two months in a row. This months upcoming sales should be interesting with the six cancellations.


    http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/12/30...november-2011/

    1 - JUSTICE LEAGUE

    06/2011: JL of America #58 -- 45,442 (- 2.8%)
    07/2011: JL of America #59 -- 43,545 (- 4.2%)
    08/2011: JL of America #60 -- 42,587 (- 2.2%)
    08/2011: Justice League #1 -- 185,776 (+336.2%) [255,556]
    09/2011: --
    10/2011: Justice League #2 -- 196,569 (+ 5.8%)
    11/2011: Justice League #3 -- 168,679 (- 14.2%)
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    That’s still a pretty mild drop by any standard. Compare it with the Brad Meltzer/Ed Benes relaunch from 2006, for instance: Back then, Justice League of America started out with much higher sales in its first calendar month, but proceeded to drop off much more sharply than it does this time around.

    The numbers for issue #3 include 9,979 units of the “Combo Pack” edition, which charted at No. 180 in November.

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    2 - BATMAN

    06/2011: Batman #711 -- 53,113 (- 3.6%)
    07/2011: Batman #712 -- 51,385 (- 3.3%)
    08/2011: Batman #713 -- 51,760 (+ 0.7%)
    09/2011: Batman #1 -- 188,420 (+264.0%) [211,520]
    10/2011: Batman #2 -- 172,428 (- 8.5%) [177,721]
    11/2011: Batman #3 -- 150,984 (- 12.4%)
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    Batman sales remain way ahead of any pre-”New 52″ month since the final issue of the Loeb/Lee run in September 2003.

    The October issue was one of the two “New 52″ #2 issues to chart again, ranking at No. 272 with estimated sales of 5,293.

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    3 - ACTION COMICS

    06/2011: Action Comics #902 -- 41,960 (- 5.0%)
    07/2011: Action Comics #903 -- 40,205 (- 4.2%)
    08/2011: Action Comics #904 -- 39,323 (- 2.2%)
    09/2011: Action Comics #1 -- 182,748 (+364.7%) [200,947]
    10/2011: Action Comics #2 -- 153,855 (- 15.8%)
    11/2011: Action Comics #3 -- 134,875 (- 12.3%)
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    Grant Morrison’s Superman revamp is cooling off rather more quickly than DC’s other four remaining 100K+ titles. It’s already lost almost 50,000 units in first-month sales since issue #1.

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    4 - GREEN LANTERN

    04/2011: Green Lantern #65 -- 75,780 (- 1.5%)
    05/2011: Green Lantern #66 -- 75,371 (- 0.5%)
    06/2011: --
    07/2011: Green Lantern #67 -- 74,521 (- 1.1%)
    08/2011: --
    09/2011: Green Lantern #1 -- 141,682 (+90.1%) [169,159]
    10/2011: Green Lantern #2 -- 142,344 (+ 0.5%)
    11/2011: Green Lantern #3 -- 122,644 (-13.8%)
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    Considering that the Green Lantern franchise was doing perfectly well before the relaunch, Geoff Johns and Doug Mahnke’s flagship title remains comfortably ahead of the previous incarnation.

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    8 - DETECTIVE COMICS

    07/2011: Detective Comics #879 -- 39,185 (+ 0.1%)
    07/2011: Detective Comics #880 -- 38,585 (- 1.5%)
    08/2011: Detective Comics #881 -- 39,729 (+ 3.0%)
    09/2011: Detective Comics #1 -- 114,880 (+189.2%) [150,403]
    10/2011: Detective Comics #2 -- 123,099 (+ 7.2%)
    11/2011: Detective Comics #3 -- 111,197 (- 9.7%)
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    I guess Detective Comics is one of the breakout hits of the “New 52″ titles. The book has one of only two third-issue drops below the 10% mark, and the first issue sold yet another 9,368 units in November.

    Don’t ask me why, though.

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    9 - THE FLASH

    04/2011: Flash #10 -- 54,953 (- 1.8%)
    04/2011: Flash #11 -- 54,633 (- 0.6%)
    05/2011: Flash #12 -- 54,914 (+ 0.5%)
    06/2011: --
    07/2011: --
    08/2011: --
    09/2011: Flash #1 -- 129,260 (+135.4%) [147,818]
    10/2011: Flash #2 -- 114,137 (- 11.7%)
    11/2011: Flash #3 -- 90,417 (- 20.8%)
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    That’s a steep drop-off, overall.

    It’s still the best Flash sales since the debut issue of the 2010 relaunch written by Geoff Johns, though.

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    12 - BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT

    07/2011: Dark Knight #3 -- 62,792 (- 11.7%)
    07/2011: Dark Knight #4 -- 57,333 (- 8.7%)
    08/2011: Dark Knight #5 -- 52,908 (- 7.7%)
    09/2011: Dark Knight #1 -- 109,321 (+106.6%) [128,689]
    10/2011: Dark Knight #2 -- 100,494 (- 8.1%)
    11/2011: Dark Knight #3 -- 87,133 (- 13.3%)
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    The numbers are still ahead of the book’s last run by about 35,000 units.

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    13 - SUPERMAN

    06/2011: Superman #712 -- 37,362 (- 2.9%)
    07/2011: Superman #713 -- 36,646 (- 1.9%)
    08/2011: Superman #714 -- 35,919 (- 2.0%)
    09/2011: Superman #1 -- 131,529 (+266.2%) [150,128]
    10/2011: Superman #2 -- 104,703 (- 20.4%)
    11/2011: Superman #3 -- 86,386 (- 17.5%)
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    Similar to Action Comics, we’re seeing another very stiff drop-off for Superman. Which suggests it may be a brand issue.

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    14 - BATMAN AND ROBIN

    06/2011: Batman and Robin #24 -- 54,984 (- 4.4%)
    07/2011: Batman and Robin #25 -- 55,172 (+ 0.3%)
    08/2011: Batman and Robin #26 -- 52,704 (- 4.5%)
    09/2011: Batman and Robin #1 -- 94,713 (+79.7%) [116,053]
    10/2011: Batman and Robin #2 -- 98,807 (+ 4.3%)
    11/2011: Batman and Robin #3 -- 86,309 (-12.7%)
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    The final core Batman title on the chart, coming in less than 1,000 units below Batman: The Dark Knight.

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    18 - BATGIRL

    06/2011: Batgirl #22 -- 23,323 (- 3.0%)
    07/2011: Batgirl #23 -- 22,619 (- 3.0%)
    08/2011: Batgirl #24 -- 22,695 (+ 0.3%)
    09/2011: Batgirl #1 -- 90,543 (+299.0%)
    10/2011: Batgirl #2 -- 83,586 (- 7.7%)
    11/2011: Batgirl #3 -- 69,971 (- 16.3%)
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    Batgirl remains the best-selling DC solo title starring a female character.

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    19 - AQUAMAN

    09/2011: Aquaman #1 -- 80,302 [108,545]
    10/2011: Aquaman #2 -- 79,156 (- 1.4%) [ 83,626]
    11/2011: Aquaman #3 -- 69,137 (-12.7%)

    The second and final “New 52″ #2 issue that made the chart again in November was Aquaman #2, which ranked at No. 293 with estimated sales of 4,470. The drop-off is very smooth here, as well, so this looks like another breakout title.

    —–

    17 - WONDER WOMAN

    06/2011: Wonder Woman #612 -- 30,690 (- 0.6%)
    07/2011: Wonder Woman #613 -- 29,720 (- 3.2%)
    08/2011: Wonder Woman #614 -- 29,223 (- 1.7%)
    09/2011: Wonder Woman #1 -- 76,214 (+160.8%) [95,902]
    10/2011: Wonder Woman #2 -- 79,060 (+ 3.7%)
    11/2011: Wonder Woman #3 -- 65,621 (- 17.0%)
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    That’s not a gigantic drop, but then again, Wonder Woman hasn’t set the charts on fire to begin with. 65K is still a good number in the context of the last few years, mind you, but as the long-term comparison shows, it falls more than 10,000 units short of the last Wonder Woman #3, released in November 2006.

    —–

    24 - GREEN LANTERN CORPS

    07/2011: Green Lantern Corps #61 -- 60,836 (- 0.2%)
    07/2011: Green Lantern Corps #62 -- 57,928 (- 4.8%)
    08/2011: Green Lantern Corps #63 -- 53,372 (- 7.9%)
    09/2011: Green Lantern Corps #1 -- 83,077 (+55.7%) [94,800]
    10/2011: Green Lantern Corps #2 -- 78,501 (- 5.5%)
    11/2011: Green Lantern Corps #3 -- 65,393 (-16.7%)
    ----------------

    The best-selling Green Lantern spin-off on the November chart sees a stiff third-issue drop, but remains slightly ahead of its previous run.

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    28 - NIGHTWING
    11/2006: Nightwing #126 -- 36,145
    11/2007: Nightwing #138 -- 46,757 [52,282]
    11/2008: Nightwing #150 -- 50,993
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    09/2011: Nightwing #1 -- 69,686 [87,561]
    10/2011: Nightwing #2 -- 73,054 ( +4.8%)
    11/2011: Nightwing #3 -- 64,098 (-12.3%)
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    That’s not much of a drop-off, overall. Nightwing keeps doing well.

    —–

    20 - BATWOMAN
    11/2010: Batwoman #0 -- 43,891
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    09/2011: Batwoman #1 -- 72,228 (+64.6%) [87,952]
    10/2011: Batwoman #2 -- 74,392 (+ 3.0%)
    11/2011: Batwoman #3 -- 61,997 (-16.7%)
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    Sales remain ahead of the character’s Detective Comics run by about 15K.

    —–

    32 - RED LANTERNS
    09/2011: Red Lanterns #1 -- 73,940 [89,170]
    10/2011: Red Lanterns #2 -- 74,163 (+ 0.3%)
    11/2011: Red Lanterns #3 -- 60,823 (-18.0%)

    Not a bad sales level for the second Green Lantern spin-off.

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    21 - TEEN TITANS

    07/2011: Teen Titans #98 -- 23,095 (- 0.2%)
    08/2011: Teen Titans #99 -- 23,756 (+ 2.9%)
    08/2011: Teen Titans #100 -- 27,459 (+ 15.6%)
    09/2011: Teen Titans #1 -- 73,675 (+168.3%)
    10/2011: Teen Titans #2 -- 72,107 (- 2.1%)
    11/2011: Teen Titans #3 -- 60,758 (- 15.7%)
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    Still much improved versus the previous series, obviously.

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    23 - GREEN LANTERN: NEW GUARDIANS

    06/2011: Emerald Warriors #11 -- 53,927 (+ 1.8%)
    07/2011: Emerald Warriors #12 -- 48,087 (-10.8%)
    08/2011: Emerald Warriors #13 -- 44,228 (- 8.0%)
    09/2011: New Guardians #1 -- 84,033 (+90.0%) [96,596]
    10/2011: New Guardians #2 -- 71,713 (-14.7%)
    11/2011: New Guardians #3 -- 59,774 (-16.7%)
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    That’s almost 25K gone since issue #1, in first-month sales. That aside, though, we’ve got three Green Lantern spin-off books selling at 60K or better, so I doubt DC will complain much.

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    40 - JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL
    09/2011: Justice League International #1 -- 67,866
    10/2011: Justice League International #2 -- 66,100 (- 2.6%)
    11/2011: Justice League International #3 -- 54,413 (-17.7%)

    Smooth drop-off, overall, for one of the more traditional “New 52″ titles.

    —–

    36 - SWAMP THING
    09/2011: Swamp Thing #1 -- 54,757
    10/2011: Swamp Thing #2 -- 58,634 (+ 7.1%)
    11/2011: Swamp Thing #3 -- 52,300 (-10.8%)

    That’s less than 3,000 units down from issue #1, as far as the first-month figures are concerned, plus an additional 4,941 units in re-orders for Swamp Thing #1 that made the chart again in November 2011 at No. 4,941. The people heart the Swamp Thing.

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    41 - CATWOMAN
    11/2006: Catwoman #61 -- 23,182
    11/2007: Catwoman #73 -- 18,815
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    09/2011: Catwoman #1 -- 59,633
    10/2011: Catwoman #2 -- 63,573 (+ 6.6%)
    11/2011: Catwoman #3 -- 52,196 (-17.9%)
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    Another book that’s been doing very well since the relaunch. Catwoman lost about 7K since issue #1, which is a great performance by any standard.

    This is where DC’s traditionally remarkable instincts when it comes to the direct-market audience’s tremendous appreciation of the goofy, kinky, rubbery kind of sex are paying dividends.

    —–

    42 - JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK
    09/2011: Justice League Dark #1 -- 69,840
    10/2011: Justice League Dark #2 -- 63,392 (- 9.2%)
    11/2011: Justice League Dark #3 -- 51,674 (-18.5%)

    Peter Milligan and Mikel Janin’s weirdo Justice League shows one of the steeper overall drops.

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    43 - SUPERGIRL

    06/2011: Supergirl #65 -- 20,985 (- 2.0%)
    07/2011: Supergirl #66 -- 20,001 (- 4.7%)
    08/2011: Supergirl #67 -- 19,764 (- 1.2%)
    09/2011: Supergirl #1 -- 60,058 (+203.9%)
    10/2011: Supergirl #2 -- 61,388 (+ 2.2%)
    11/2011: Supergirl #3 -- 50,784 (- 17.3%)
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    Still more than twice the sales of the previous run.

    —–

    44 - RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS
    09/2011: Red Hood #1 -- 56,112 [70,244]
    10/2011: Red Hood #2 -- 59,382 (+ 5.8%)
    11/2011: Red Hood #3 -- 50,140 (-15.6%)

    The final book above the 50K mark; an overall drop-off of not even 6,000 units speaks for itself, I think. This was a niche waiting to be filled ever since J. Scott Campbell left Gen13. All the Bloodhound Gang aficionados in the comic-book market are eating this up.

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    45 - ANIMAL MAN
    09/2011: Animal Man #1 -- 46,051
    10/2011: Animal Man #2 -- 53,432 (+16.0%)
    11/2011: Animal Man #3 -- 49,184 (- 8.0%)

    This is the only “New 52″ title that still outsells its debut issue in November. Speaking of which, Animal Man #1 also charted for the third time, selling an additional 4,676 units in November.

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    47 - SUPERBOY

    07/2011: Superboy #9 -- 22,102 (- 4.1%)
    08/2011: Superboy #10 -- 20,563 (- 7.0%)
    08/2011: Superboy #11 -- 20,317 (- 1.2%)
    09/2011: Superboy #1 -- 55,608 (+173.7%) [69,283]
    10/2011: Superboy #2 -- 57,424 (+ 3.3%)
    11/2011: Superboy #3 -- 47,442 (- 17.4%)
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    Smooth drop-off. Sales are still better than they were for the debut issue of the last relaunch, which happened, erm, 12 months ago.

    —–

    48 - GREEN ARROW

    06/2011: Green Arrow #13 -- 27,552 (- 13.2%)
    07/2011: Green Arrow #14 -- 25,568 (- 7.2%)
    08/2011: Green Arrow #15 -- 23,883 (- 6.6%)
    09/2011: Green Arrow #1 -- 61,680 (+158.3%)
    10/2011: Green Arrow #2 -- 58,708 (- 4.8%)
    11/2011: Green Arrow #3 -- 46,899 (- 20.1%)
    -----------------

    Holding up nicely, historically.

    —–

    61 - BIRDS OF PREY

    06/2011: Birds of Prey #13 -- 28,992 (- 2.4%)
    07/2011: Birds of Prey #14 -- 27,102 (- 6.5%)
    08/2011: Birds of Prey #15 -- 26,043 (- 3.9%)
    09/2011: Birds of Prey #1 -- 56,073 (+115.3%)
    10/2011: Birds of Prey #2 -- 53,156 (- 5.2%)
    11/2011: Birds of Prey #3 -- 40,891 (- 23.1%)
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    This one is briskly heading back towards its pre-relaunch sales level.

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    62 - SUICIDE SQUAD
    11/2007: Raise the Flag #3 of 8 -- 19,774
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    09/2011: Suicide Squad #1 -- 49,979 [61,815]
    10/2011: Suicide Squad #2 -- 49,570 (- 0.8%)
    11/2011: Suicide Squad #3 -- 40,827 (-17.6%)

    56 - STORMWATCH
    11/2006: StormWatch: PHD #1 -- 29,975
    11/2007: --
    11/2008: StormWatch: PHD #16 -- 6,824
    11/2009: StormWatch: PHD #24 -- 4,598
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    09/2011: Stormwatch #1 -- 46,397
    10/2011: Stormwatch #2 -- 47,520 (+ 2.4%)
    11/2011: Stormwatch #3 -- 39,262 (-17.4%)
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    Very small overall drop-off on Suicide Squad and Stormwatch.

    —–

    69 - THE SAVAGE HAWKMAN

    11/2006: Hawkgirl #58 -- 18,634
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    09/2011: Savage Hawkman #1 -- 55,954 [63,959]
    10/2011: Savage Hawkman #2 -- 47,763 (-14.6%)
    11/2011: Savage Hawkman #3 -- 35,177 (-26.4%)
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    The same cannot be said for Hawkman. That’s one of the steeper declines. Couldn’t have been the prose, possibly.

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    70 - BATWING
    09/2011: Batwing #1 -- 45,980
    10/2011: Batwing #2 -- 42,750 (- 7.0%)
    11/2011: Batwing #3 -- 35,110 (-17.9%)

    On its way to being a solid mid-level performer, evidently, which isn’t unusual for Batman spin-off series.

    —–

    71 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES

    06/2011: LoSH #14 -- 22,600 (- 2.2%)
    07/2011: LoSH #15 -- 21,788 (- 3.6%)
    08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
    09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%)
    10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
    11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
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    Declining swiftly now. It looks like the people who bought the first issue may have read it. For the sakes of DC and the whole comic-book direct market in America, let’s hold on tight and just hope this isn’t turning into some type of new trend.

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    72 - DEMON KNIGHTS
    09/2011: Demon Knights #1 -- 41,602
    10/2011: Demon Knights #2 -- 42,230 (+ 1.5%)
    11/2011: Demon Knights #3 -- 34,681 (-17.9%)

    Very smooth decline, all told. Establishing itself as a consistent mid-level performer would be a big success for this type of book.

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    74 - DEATHSTROKE
    09/2011: Deathstroke #1 -- 47,028
    10/2011: Deathstroke #2 -- 44,647 (- 5.1%)
    11/2011: Deathstroke #3 -- 33,754 (-24.4%)

    That’s an average drop-off, overall.

    —–

    75 - ALL STAR WESTERN

    06/2011: Jonah Hex #68 -- 10,224 (- 0.6%)
    07/2011: Jonah Hex #69 -- 10,521 (+ 2.9%)
    08/2011: Jonah Hex #70 -- 10,369 (- 1.5%)
    09/2011: ASW #1 -- 43,681 (+321.3%)
    10/2011: ASW #2 -- 39,857 (- 8.8%)
    11/2011: ASW #3 -- 32,776 (- 17.8%)
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    Still three times the numbers it did as Jonah Hex.

    —–

    76 - FRANKENSTEIN: AGENT OF S.H.A.D.E.

    09/2011: Frankenstein #1 -- 41,551
    10/2011: Frankenstein #2 -- 40,423 (- 2.7%)
    11/2011: Frankenstein #3 -- 31,869 (-21.2%)

    Not a tremendous drop, but given that DC’s bean counters seem to be getting awfully and unreasonably trigger-happy as a result of the relaunch (see below), 30K may be the new 15K at DC.

    So let’s all hope for the best here.

    —–

    78 - THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MEN

    11/2006: Firestorm #31 -- 16,068
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    09/2011: Firestorm #1 -- 51,537
    10/2011: Firestorm #2 -- 43,990 (-14.6%)
    11/2011: Firestorm #3 -- 31,654 (-28.0%)
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    Very steep drop-off. On top of my head, I can only assume the torture and death scenes in issue #1 were not graphic enough for the notoriously bloodthirsty Firestorm fanbase.

    —–

    80 - LEGION LOST

    09/2011: Legion Lost #1 -- 46,362 [54,588]
    10/2011: Legion Lost #2 -- 42,650 (- 8.0%)
    11/2011: Legion Lost #3 -- 31,226 (-26.8%)

    Another one that’s declining stiffly. But, well, it’s a Legion spin-off.

    —–

    79 - THE HUNTRESS

    10/2011: Huntress #1 of 6 -- 36,099
    11/2011: Huntress #2 of 6 -- 28,377 (-21.4%)

    Very stiff drop for a miniseries. If anyone was still waiting for a delayed effect from the “New 52,” it didn’t happen.

    —–

    81 - DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS

    09/2011: DCU Presents #1 -- 45,701
    10/2011: DCU Presents #2 -- 41,584 (- 9.0%)
    11/2011: DCU Presents #3 -- 31,019 (-25.4%)

    84 - GRIFTER
    09/2011: Grifter #1 -- 41,222
    10/2011: Grifter #2 -- 39,900 (- 3.2%)
    11/2011: Grifter #3 -- 29,802 (-25.3%)

    85 - RESURRECTION MAN
    09/2011: Resurrection Man #1 -- 41,740
    10/2011: Resurrection Man #2 -- 38,560 (- 7.6%)
    11/2011: Resurrection Man #3 -- 29,480 (-23.6%)

    Three “New 52″ titles with a steep overall decline.

    —–

    89 - BLUE BEETLE
    11/2006: Blue Beetle #8 -- 25,861
    11/2007: Blue Beetle #21 -- 15,645
    11/2008: Blue Beetle #33 -- 11,452
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    09/2011: Blue Beetle #1 -- 44,448
    10/2011: Blue Beetle #2 -- 39,396 (-11.4%)
    11/2011: Blue Beetle #3 -- 27,612 (-29.9%)
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    Dropping very stiffly, despite the tasteful displays of genocide, mutilation and burned human flesh in the debut issue.

    What’s wrong with kids today?

    —–

    90 - HAWK & DOVE
    09/2011: Hawk & Dove #1 -- 42,294
    10/2011: Hawk & Dove #2 -- 36,068 (-14.7%)
    11/2011: Hawk & Dove #3 -- 27,464 (-23.9%)

    The sales of Rob Liefeld comics aren’t what they used to be.

    —–

    92 - BATMAN: ODYSSEY VOL. 2
    07/2010: Batman: Odyssey #1 of 6 -- 61,827
    08/2010: Batman: Odyssey #2 of 6 -- 47,675 (-22.9%)
    09/2010: Batman: Odyssey #3 of 6 -- 40,046 (-16.0%)
    10/2010: Batman: Odyssey #4 of 12 -- 35,307 (-11.8%)
    11/2010: Batman: Odyssey #5 of 13 -- 31,386 (-11.1%)
    02/2011: Batman: Odyssey #6 of 13 -- 29,093 (- 7.3%)
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    10/2011: Odyssey Vol. 2 #1 of 7 -- 30,410 (+ 4.5%)
    11/2011: Odyssey Vol. 2 #2 of 7 -- 24,271 (-20.2%)
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    A stiff drop for a miniseries, but perhaps still respectable, considering that Odyssey is basically a hangover from last year that could easily have been lost in the shuffle.

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    93 - CAPTAIN ATOM
    09/2011: Captain Atom #1 -- 44,110
    10/2011: Captain Atom #2 -- 38,309 (-13.2%)
    11/2011: Captain Atom #3 -- 26,829 (-30.0%)

    96 - I, VAMPIRE
    09/2011: I, Vampire #1 -- 39,683
    10/2011: I, Vampire #2 -- 34,599 (-12.8%)
    11/2011: I, Vampire #3 -- 26,070 (-24.7%)

    99 - MISTER TERRIFIC
    09/2011: Mister Terrific #1 -- 41,450
    10/2011: Mister Terrific #2 -- 35,963 (-13.2%)
    11/2011: Mister Terrific #3 -- 25,282 (-29.7%)

    104 - O.M.A.C.
    09/2011: O.M.A.C. #1 -- 37,312
    10/2011: O.M.A.C. #2 -- 32,704 (-12.4%)
    11/2011: O.M.A.C. #3 -- 25,080 (-23.3%)

    105 - VOODOO
    09/2011: Voodoo #1 -- 40,301
    10/2011: Voodoo #2 -- 34,690 (-13.9%)
    11/2011: Voodoo #3 -- 25,067 (-27.7%)

    109 - STATIC SHOCK
    06/2011: Special #1 of 1 -- 9,976
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    09/2011: Static Shock #1 -- 37,782 (+278.7%)
    10/2011: Static Shock #2 -- 32,360 (- 14.4%)
    11/2011: Static Shock #3 -- 24,374 (- 24.7%)

    112 - MEN OF WAR
    09/2011: Men of War #1 -- 37,488
    10/2011: Men of War #2 -- 31,446 (-16.1%)
    11/2011: Men of War #3 -- 23,770 (-24.4%)

    That’s a whole bunch of “New 52″ titles headed for sales around the 20K mark at best, it seems. From recent comments made by DC, it seems they’re willing to give the relaunch titles at least a year before pulling the plug, so who knows.

    On the plus side, I don’t think any of these books would be selling above 20,000 units without the push of the “New 52.”

    —–

    108 - LEGION: SECRET ORIGIN
    10/2011: Secret Origin #1 of 6 -- 38,248
    11/2011: Secret Origin #2 of 6 -- 22,435 (-41.3%)

    There was some sort of promotion involving plastic rings for issue #1, hence the monstrous drop. Again, if there’s any effect from the “New 52″ here, it’s negligible.

    —–

    115 - BLACKHAWKS
    09/2011: Blackhawks #1 -- 40,014
    10/2011: Blackhawks #2 -- 31,704 (-20.8%)
    11/2011: Blackhawks #3 -- 22,349 (-29.5%)

    No plastic-ring-shaped excuse here. That’s a terrible drop-off.

    Still, hats off to DC for trying their hand at a 24-hour comic with the debut issue. Good sportsmanship!

    —–

    111 - THE SHADE
    10/2011: Shade #1 of 12 -- 30,648
    11/2011: Shade #2 of 12 -- 21,431 (-30.1%)

    Both issues had 1:10 variant covers, so that’s a very stiff drop-off.

    Which is bad news, because again, there was no visible effect from the “New 52″ to begin with. That said, I’m still surprised by The Shade writer James Robinson’s suggestion that the maxiseries may be in danger of cancellation. The Shade is doing poorly by “New 52″ standards, but in the context of the direct market of the last year prior to the relaunch, these numbers are decent enough; it’s what you’d expect for the combination of a fan-favorite creative team and property. And, frankly, the “New 52″ numbers to date don’t strike me as being of such a quality as to suggest that those expectations would need to be re-adjusted.

    —–

    114 - PENGUIN: PAIN AND PREJUDICE
    10/2011: Penguin #1 of 5 -- 26,380
    11/2011: Penguin #2 of 5 -- 21,021 (-20.3%)

    Steep drop for a mini, and again: no visible effect from the “New 52.”

    —–

    137 - T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS
    11/2010: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #1 -- 16,122
    12/2010: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #2 -- 11,227 (-30.4%)
    01/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #3 -- 10,602 (- 5.6%)
    02/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #4 -- 10,124 (- 4.5%)
    03/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #5 -- 9,934 (- 1.9%)
    04/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #6 -- 9,680 (- 2.6%)
    05/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #7 -- 9,453 (- 2.4%)
    06/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #8 -- 8,954 (- 5.3%)
    07/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #9 -- 8,710 (- 2.7%)
    08/2011: T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #10 -- 8,453 (- 3.0%)
    09/2011: --
    10/2011: --
    11/2011: Vol. 2 #1 of 6 -- 14,794 (+75.0%)
    ----------------


    The critically acclaimed and low-selling DC title of 2011 returns for a six-issue miniseries and, well, you know the drill. Despite the “New 52,” the new T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents #1 sold fewer copies than the debut issue of the ongoing title that was cancelled a couple months back did this time last year.


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    163 - MY GREATEST ADVENTURE
    01/2011: Weird Worlds #1 of 6 -- 14,964
    02/2011: Weird Worlds #2 of 6 -- 11,587 (- 22.6%)
    03/2011: Weird Worlds #3 of 6 -- 10,470 (- 9.6%)
    04/2011: Weird Worlds #4 of 6 -- 9,665 (- 7.7%)
    05/2011: Weird Worlds #5 of 6 -- 9,043 (- 6.4%)
    06/2011: Weird Worlds #6 of 6 -- 8,536 (- 5.6%)
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    10/2011: MGA #1 of 6 -- 17,222 (+101.8%)
    11/2011: MGA #2 of 6 -- 11,782 (- 31.6%)
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    Steep drop, but still ahead of its predecessor; about what you’d expect for the resident weirdo DC Universe thing, really.

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    Wonder Woman, Demon Knights, and Resurrection Man are doing that bad? They are by far the best of the New 52 (as are Aquaman and JLDark) with Wonder Woman being the best of the new series.

    I hope they don't cancel Voodoo or New Guardians, as those are great as well.

    Glad I only bought the first issue of THe Shade if it is indeed getting canned, because that is bs to start a 12 issue series and then can it.
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    Its very unlikely that Demon Knights or VooDoo will be cancelled, yet. What with the upcoming invasion of the Damonites this summer. Those titles along with Stormwatch are all connected to it, along with Grifter so they are safe, relatively safe for the time being. But yes those numbers arent the best. I am expecting the next round of cancelations to be at just before the 12th issue mark. UNless itll be sooner on some of those. Like good thing My Greatest Adventure is a Mini series or with those numbers it would be canned.

    Then with the six cancellations, the numbers are interesting at the new cut off point honestly:

    90 - HAWK & DOVE
    09/2011: Hawk & Dove #1 -- 42,294
    10/2011: Hawk & Dove #2 -- 36,068 (-14.7%)
    11/2011: Hawk & Dove #3 -- 27,464 (-23.9%)

    99 - MISTER TERRIFIC
    09/2011: Mister Terrific #1 -- 41,450
    10/2011: Mister Terrific #2 -- 35,963 (-13.2%)
    11/2011: Mister Terrific #3 -- 25,282 (-29.7%)

    104 - O.M.A.C.
    09/2011: O.M.A.C. #1 -- 37,312
    10/2011: O.M.A.C. #2 -- 32,704 (-12.4%)
    11/2011: O.M.A.C. #3 -- 25,080 (-23.3%)

    109 - STATIC SHOCK
    06/2011: Special #1 of 1 -- 9,976
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    09/2011: Static Shock #1 -- 37,782 (+278.7%)
    10/2011: Static Shock #2 -- 32,360 (- 14.4%)
    11/2011: Static Shock #3 -- 24,374 (- 24.7%)

    112 - MEN OF WAR
    09/2011: Men of War #1 -- 37,488
    10/2011: Men of War #2 -- 31,446 (-16.1%)
    11/2011: Men of War #3 -- 23,770 (-24.4%)

    115 - BLACKHAWKS
    09/2011: Blackhawks #1 -- 40,014
    10/2011: Blackhawks #2 -- 31,704 (-20.8%)
    11/2011: Blackhawks #3 -- 22,349 (-29.5%)

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    EARTH 2 – Writer: James Robinson. Artist: Nicola Scott. The greatest heroes on a parallel Earth, the Justice Society combats threats that will set them on a collision course with other worlds.


    WORLDS’ FINEST – Writer: Paul Levitz. Artists: George Perez and Kevin Maguire. Stranded on our world from a parallel reality, Huntress and Power Girl struggle to find their way back to Earth 2. Perez and Maguire will be the artists on alternating story arcs.


    DIAL H – Writer: China Miéville. Artist: Mateus Santoluoco. The first ongoing series from acclaimed novelist China Miéville, this is a bold new take on a cult classic concept about the psychological effects on an everyman who accidentally gains powers to become a hero.


    G.I. COMBAT – Writer: J.T. Krul. Artist: Ariel Olivetti. Featuring the return of a classic DC Comics series, THE WAR THAT TIME FORGOT, along with rotating back-up stories and creative teams – including THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER, with writers Justin Gray and Jimmy Palmiotti and artist Dan Panosian; and THE HAUNTED TANK, with writer John Arcudi and artist Scott Kolins.


    THE RAVAGERS – Writer: Howard Mackie. Artist: Ian Churchill. Spinning off from TEEN TITANS and SUPERBOY, this series finds four superpowered teens on the run and fighting against the organization that wants to turn them into supervillains.

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    Justice League Dark, Stormwatch and Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E. will all be getting new writers, although two of those writers are simply moving from title to title:

    Jeff Lemire will leave Frankenstein for Justice League Dark, Peter Milligan will leave Justice League Dark for Stormwatch, and Matt Kindt will take over Frankenstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    Jeff Lemire will leave Frankenstein for Justice League Dark
    Looks like I will be dropping JLDark.

    BTW, this is OT, but does anyone else think DC Direct are run by monkeys? They are releasing the New 52 Superman toy in January. Yes, IN JANUARY!!!! No one is going to care about it by then. Hell, they have WW and Flash not coming out until Oct. What is wrong with them? It is bad enough GL and Batman are not until June, but a year from now to get Sups?
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    One Gum Drop to rule them all, One Gum Drop to find them,
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    Enought with all the added lines & seams. Not only does it make it that much harder for artists who get stuck drawing those new costumes, imo it doesn't add anything at all. It looks like the costume designer had nothing worthwhile or creative to add so they threw in a bunch of lines. Is it too late for Jim Lee to go back to Marvel or Image? He may not have designed this costume, but it sure looks similar to the New 52 costumes he did design.
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    I understand why they did it there, but I think they could have gone other directions with it. Having her pants be a different color, Superman blue, for example.

    Which not sure that would look good, just an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    Wow. It really is a total rip off of Supreme...

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    Power Girl without a boob window -- Fail.

    All of her other costumes that tried to get rid of it were so generic. At least the boob window was an element that was uniquely PG. It reminds me of Wolverine in his maskless X-Men costume or Storm in her's.


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    Instead of showing more leg and Brest to intice new younger readers they cover up all the goods

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnnaMot View Post
    Instead of showing more leg and Brest to intice new younger readers they cover up all the goods
    It's odd with their going with teen rating on everything, but as many are feeling they are making the costumes ready for live action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnnaMot View Post
    Instead of showing more leg and Brest to intice new younger readers they cover up all the goods
    These books are for teens and older. You have skin (but not nudity), swearing and graphic violence.

    It's crazy--DC takes away iconic costumes for Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Power Girl, Black Canary and Zatanna and replaces them with mostly generic superhero costumes. Harley's new look is a particular crime, considering that the old look was iconic AND covered her up.

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    Here's hoping, after the Mattel & DC Direct toys based on the new costumes fail(I'll be shocked if they don't), DC will think about going back to the classic costumes. I have nothing against new designs(I like Tim Drake's new costume as well as his One Year Later) but most of these are either the same as they were before with the addition of new colors and/or a bunch of unnecessary lines or bland designs that look like they are worried more about what they'll look like in live action than on the comics page(something Marvel has been guilty of for the past decade).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Shokoti View Post
    Here's hoping, after the Mattel & DC Direct toys based on the new costumes fail(I'll be shocked if they don't), DC will think about going back to the classic costumes. I have nothing against new designs(I like Tim Drake's new costume as well as his One Year Later) but most of these are either the same as they were before with the addition of new colors and/or a bunch of unnecessary lines or bland designs that look like they are worried more about what they'll look like in live action than on the comics page(something Marvel has been guilty of for the past decade).
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