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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn29 View Post
    They are wrong!!

    I have no reason to doubt Toyguru when he says the 4H made this decision. They are also the ones who put that stupid dial on Hurricane Hordak's back.

    The 4H need to go back and redo Evil Lyn for a third time now. Unbelievable that the 4H would rather we pay for the same Teela outfit again for the fourth time instead of giving us something unique.

    I read that and before I knew I had uttered a four letter expletive. Un-*******-believable.

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    Dark Sorceress, I can understand where your coming from. I like this figure, not love the figure like i did before finding out the 4HM passed on doing a 200X outfit when given the chance. The outfit would not have made Evil Lyn look out of place. It is a freaking outfit, there is no design outfit wise that would make a figure out of place in the MOTUC line....unless it was normal clothes (ie American Eagle, etc.) Her 200X uniform could easily have fit into the line, especially with the Faceless One's outfit.

    It is all about the design and again clothing is not something that would make the figure not mesh with the rest of the line. If anything clawful doesn't mesh well, he has a very cartoon shaped face and looks goofy. Vintage yes, but the detail on his face makes him IMO stand out more than any other character from the line.

    I will still be buying the figure because I have always wanted to have a helmet less Evil Lyn. However you are not the only person who is upset by this news...it seems to be trending and people are upset hearing the 4HM passed on the new tunic. I can see why they would feel that way, it actually bothers me as well. It bothers me that they passed on a new outfit and used an outfit that people already expressed their concern and irritation with the Teela reused outfit. So even if this was not 200X Evil Lyn and was just a variant..it bothers me they had tooling approved for a new tunic. Make the filmation tunic, change it up like BG Teela or if this was and sounds to be the 200X Evil Lyn...they should have done the new tunic to please the fans.

    This line continues to impress and continues to stretch the thread of fan commitment by doing things like this. Sooner or later that thread is going to snap and this line is going to fail. I don't want to see this happen, so I hope Mattel, DR and unfortunetly now the 4HM start being more understanding to the things fans are wanting and listen to our voices. If this is 200X Evil Lyn, the 4HM ignored the fans suggestions (except for the cape and head) but they knew how much we did not want another Teela outfit placed on another female and especially for 200X Evil Lyn to be a repaint of the 1st release.

    It used to be the 4HM wanted to release great products they stood behind and now it seems by passing on the option to do the tunic they might be bowing down to corporate's constant restrictions. The funny thing is they had the green light for the new tunic and chose not to make it, knowing how upset the fans would be and knowing how overused and irritated people were with the constant reusing of Teela's outfit. Yes the 4HM gave us our cape and helmetless head which makes this figure great, but to have Scott tell us they passed on the new tunic even though Mattel approved it, makes the figure less exciting and just disappointing. Especially knowing what it could have been.

    I hope Mattel or Scott realize how much the fans were let down on this character. Scott should not have told us the 4HM passed on making a new tunic.

    Hopefully down the road if the line continues...we will see a 200X Evil Lyn variant with a new tunic. They now have all the parts just need to change the outfit.

    ToyGuru if you are reading this, think about possibly tooling the tunic for 200X Lynn and re-releasing her within the next two years or another variant allowing the fans who deserve a true 200X inspired Evil Lyn to match her father The Faceless One.

    I still respect the 4HM, love their designs but am saddened by the fact they passed on providing fans what they have been requesting. Even if it wasn't straight 200X design..just the fact to give us another teela outfit repainted is a slap in the face. I wish that Scott (ToyGuru) would have advised the 4HM on the backlash a repainted teela outfit would cause. I know he was aware of the backlash when the 1st Evil Lyn was created with the exact same outfit, people wanted a smaller leaf like the character art. People settled down and it was blown over, but before BG Evil Lyn was made...people knew a 200X variant would be coming, had asked about it in Q&A and Scott and the 4HM knew how important it was that fans did not want a straight repaint and were promised it would not be a straight repaint.

    That promise was broken. I love the new head and like the product....but the Teela outfit for most fans was something people thought could have been improved. However I think once they read TG's response about the 4HM having the approval for the new outfit and that they passed on it....fans are going to be more upset and the fans who weren't upset will probably be a little bit irritated knowing the character could have had a new tunic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CicconeSC View Post
    If this is 200X Evil Lyn, the 4HM ignored the fans suggestions (except for the cape and head) but they knew how much we did not want another Teela outfit placed on another female and especially for 200X Evil Lyn to be a repaint of the 1st release.
    That's what is so unbelievable about this. The entire point of this figure was that she not reuse Teela's dress.

    The entire point. That's what the fans wanted and have been vocal about for over 2 years. 200x Evil Lyn has been the number one most requested variant this entire time.

    The 4H had the tooling budget and chose not to sculpt the dress? They'd rather we pay for the same dress again? These figures are not cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by CicconeSC View Post
    The funny thing is they had the green light for the new tunic and chose not to make it, knowing how upset the fans would be and knowing how overused and irritated people were with the constant reusing of Teela's outfit.

    I'm not laughing.


    Quote Originally Posted by CicconeSC View Post
    I still respect the 4HM, love their designs but am saddened by the fact they passed on providing fans what they have been requesting. Even if it wasn't straight 200X design..just the fact to give us another teela outfit repainted is a slap in the face.
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by CicconeSC View Post
    I know he was aware of the backlash when the 1st Evil Lyn was created with the exact same outfit, people wanted a smaller leaf like the character art. People settled down and it was blown over, but before BG Evil Lyn was made...people knew a 200X variant would be coming, had asked about it in Q&A and Scott and the 4HM knew how important it was that fans did not want a straight repaint and were promised it would not be a straight repaint.
    Couldn't agree more. There have been no figures I was looking more forward to than Evil Lyn, Leech, King Hsss, and the Sorceress.

    Leech is darn near perfect from what I can tell. Same for the Sorceress. Maybe a spell casting hand, but it's minor and doesn't lessen that figure for me at all.

    King Hsss' snake form was a pathetic failure from a design point, but at least the human form rocks.

    Evil Lyn fails even more. She's just a repaint. She's an A-List character and one of the top four women in the franchise-Teela, Sorceress, and She-Ra being the other three.

    Why can't she get her own outfit? And the 4H were given the money for it!!

    I think I need to go eat some nachos and cool down.

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    Mmmhh, Nachos...


    Waitasecond.

    Where were we? Ah.

    Mattel, Scott and the 4 Horsemen really blew me away with all the marvellous reveals this SDCC. I like them all, and consider some of them the BEST of the whole line so far (Fisto! Icarius! Kobra Khan! (or is it Kahn now?)).
    But in the same time, Battleground Evil-Lyn is the WORST figure so far, even worse than Stratos who had blank sock-feet, zero accessories and two open hands so he couldnīt grab anything. Even worse than Zodak, who inexplicably has the exact same face than Zodac. Even worse than the Goddess, who breaks apart!
    Why is she the worst? Itīs not because of her color scheme. Itīs not because her alternate head doesnīt look freakinī awesome. Itīs not because her cape isnīt cool.
    It is because she TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT!
    In fact, she couldnīt be more off.
    Fans wanted a 200x Evil-Lyn not because of her skin color. In fact, many fans actually asked for the yellow skin color back in 200x days, resulting in a wonderful variant of the Evil-Lyn staction. Fans wanted a 200x Evil-Lyn because of her dress.

    200x Evil-Lyn is the SINGLE MOST ANTICIPATED VARIANT IN ALL MOTUC HISTORY. BG Evil-Lyn did a landslide fail.

    If she wasnīt part of the sub, Iīd skip on her. And I am usually buying everything MOTU. Now with my 2 subs I am throwing away $50 for garbage. I like the helmetless head, really, but having to shell out this much money for getting an alternate head is just ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Force View Post
    But in the same time, Battleground Evil-Lyn is the WORST figure so far, even worse than Stratos who had blank sock-feet, zero accessories and two open hands so he couldnīt grab anything. Even worse than Zodak, who inexplicably has the exact same face than Zodac. Even worse than the Goddess, who breaks apart!
    Why is she the worst? Itīs not because of her color scheme. Itīs not because her alternate head doesnīt look freakinī awesome. Itīs not because her cape isnīt cool.
    It is because she TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT!
    In fact, she couldnīt be more off.
    Fans wanted a 200x Evil-Lyn not because of her skin color. In fact, many fans actually asked for the yellow skin color back in 200x days, resulting in a wonderful variant of the Evil-Lyn staction. Fans wanted a 200x Evil-Lyn because of her dress.

    200x Evil-Lyn is the SINGLE MOST ANTICIPATED VARIANT IN ALL MOTUC HISTORY. BG Evil-Lyn did a landslide fail.

    Now with my 2 subs I am throwing away $50 for garbage. I like the helmetless head, really, but having to shell out this much money for getting an alternate head is just ...
    Absolutely this.

    And especially this:

    Now with my 2 subs I am throwing away $50 for garbage. I like the helmetless head, really, but having to shell out this much money for getting an alternate head is just ...
    That's all she is. An alternate head. And not even that really. She's an alternate hair piece and that's it. These figures are very decently priced for today's market, but they're still not cheap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toyguru
    We actually costed out a new tunic outfit for her. It was the Horsemen who wanted from a design stand point (I presume to keep the "Classics look") to go with a repaint of the "Teela tunic". I've mentioned before, we don't art direct the Horsemen in this way. Her look is the artistic choice of the Horsemen.
    That is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard. Re-using the Teela dress wasn't an artistic decision, it was clearly a budgetary one as in CORPORATE!

    I seriously doubt the 4H would willingly lazy out like that.




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    Incredible.

    So Battleground Evil-Lyn's tunic was costed out and was supposed to come out the way the fans wanted but the 4H screwed her up? In that case, just like King Hsss' snakes, the 4H were wrong.

    Time to add Battleground Evil-Lyn to the MOTUC Do-Over pile with Cringer (needs articulation), King Hsss (righted shoulders and Earl Norem snakes, perhaps a Bruce Timm maskless head), Roboto (Righted Shoulders) and Stratos (unglued wings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    Time to add Battleground Evil-Lyn to the MOTUC Do-Over pile with Cringer (needs articulation), King Hsss (righted shoulders and Earl Norem snakes, perhaps a Bruce Timm maskless head), Roboto (Righted Shoulders) and Stratos (unglued wings).
    Stratos needs actual feet before he needs unglued wings in my opinion.

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    I like her.

    A Zalesian style(supposition) tunic would've been super-great, but the helmetless head and skin tone were my main desires for an update. The cape is just an added bonus.

    I'm curious to see what the "powered up" staff head looks like. Whether or not it is a re-cast/recolored piece, or a new tool with like energy coming out of it or something. I don't think it was shown at SDCC.
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    Personally, I think she looks great. Can't wait to add her to my collection.
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    i'm happy just the way she is. filmation/myp is a smart move

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    Okay, so once and for all... Tell me where this version has any sign of Filmation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Force View Post
    Okay, so once and for all... Tell me where this version has any sign of Filmation!
    DJ, this variant would be the Filmation version if she were painted correctly. The cape is reminiscent of her Filmation cape, not her 200X snow cape.

    Too bad we don't have many good pics of Lyn with her helmet on. We could color correct it through photoshop...

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    For being a repaint, I think this version of Evil Lynn actually came out looking pretty cool.

    However, I will not get her because her using the Teela buck because of its lack of mobility.

    I'll wait for a more mobile version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    For being a repaint, I think this version of Evil Lynn actually came out looking pretty cool.

    However, I will not get her because her using the Teela buck because of its lack of mobility.

    I'll wait for a more mobile version.
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    They should change the boot

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    The cape is reminiscent of her Filmation cape, not her 200X snow cape.
    Well, itīs not really Filmation either. The filmation cape sort of was connected to her collar.
    So basically she is 100% repaint with 3 alternate pieces, of which at least one is truly based on something, being the head.
    I am not complaining about the head (itīs awesome) or the cape (it looks great, too) and of course I donīt mind seing a "powered up" staffpiece. I am glad we get all these three things. I just feel so ripped off having to shell out $20 for these accessories, as I am bound to the sub. Actually twice. And it drives me nuts that something that has been budgeted was NOT made. If for budget reasons stuff like the alternate Grizzlor head was forced to vanish, then why canīt something be forced to be implemented as well, if the budget was allocated for it? I mean seriously, who is in charge for the finances on this line?
    When a contractor is told to do something, hereīs the money, and they decide to use the money elsewhere or not at all, and of course not delivering what they have been told to do, then something definetly is wrong there.

    The logic escapes me. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Force View Post
    Well, itīs not really Filmation either. The filmation cape sort of was connected to her collar.
    It's The Enchantress' cape!

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    Thatīs actually a pretty good guess there!
    Indeed it looks much more like the Enchantressīs cape than Evil-Lynīs cape.
    Speaking of which, I wouldnīt mind an Enchantress in MOTUC.

    And the most funny thing is:
    If Enchantress had been made instead of BG Lyn, Mattel could have pleased the fans with a weapons pack repaint of the Enchantressīs cloak for Evil-Lyn.
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    Where is the money that was allocated for the new outfit? Did Mattel just keep that as profit? Is it being used on some other character who had their own budget?

    I am confused if the budget let the 4HM make the new outfit, why they passed and where the money went. The accessories were in the budget already, so it wasn't to make them. BTW based on the video of Scott showing off some of the figures in Pixel Dan's video at SDCC. Scott picked up Lyn's Staff and said I am not sure if this is the powered up version or not. IMO by that statement the powered up staff will just have the orb repainted to look like it is glowing. Otherwise not sure why Scott would have been confused on the staff shown at SDCC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixel Dan View Post
    It seems to me that it's the question of the "tooling dollars" again. I don't think they want to tool a new outfit for a quarterly variant, especially since they tooled an extra head for her. If they give her the full, new outfit from 200x, I'm willing to bet she'd be a regular monthly figure. I could be wrong though..
    this is an excellent point

    The tooling cost for the head is greater than that for the armor... At least that's what Scott has said in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcrduke View Post
    this is an excellent point

    The tooling cost for the head is greater than that for the armor... At least that's what Scott has said in the past.
    then why did they do it for BG Teela? she's new head,body and she's a quarterly variant

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    Personally, I would still be immensely happy if we could petition to get this repainted into Filmation colors, and it would allow an opportunity in the future for the 200X fans to get a new torso later down the line. So does a campaign for a Filmation color last-minute paint-change sound like a good compromise plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcrduke View Post
    this is an excellent point

    The tooling cost for the head is greater than that for the armor... At least that's what Scott has said in the past.

    Then why didn't Scott just say they opted for a repaint to tool a new head. He didn't say none of the items couldn't be made, he specifically said that the new outfit was in the tooling budget, however the 4HM made the call to just repaint Teela's outfit.

    No mention of losing any of the other things BG Evil Lyn includes. Really the only thing tooled in this figure is her new head. The cape might be new, but possibly a reused cape. Even with the head and cape, for a quarterly variant that is included in the sub, they should still be able to do a tunic.

    What happened with Scott saying that all females after Catra would include the new female buck used on BG Teela except for Marlena because she was already produced?

    BG Evil Lyn doesn't have the new buck and if she does, it is of no use because the teela tunic can't twist.

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    the only thing i find disapointing about her is the fact that she isnt yellow, because her helmetless head wont make any sense on the evil-lyn i already have.

    that being said .... we dont really need this figure. a filmation colors hordak would be much more welcome .... it feels like the 200X line all over again .... not the style, the fact that we are starting to see repaints passed off as new figures. As long as it never gets as bad as disco skeletor, ill keep buying.
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