Who's turned Off About 200X 10th Anniv.??

[Vlcan]

So, I want to know if there is anyone turned off by Mattel not acknowledging the 10th Anniversary of MOTU 200x? Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge huge vintage guy. I understand the attention given to the 30th anniversary of MOTU. I'm all for it!! But, I do think it would be nice to incorporate at least 1 figure from 200X. Why not take the opportunity to do this. Give us Snake Armor He-Man. Or something...anything. Please share your thoughts on this subject. I know all the 2011 Classics reveals haven't been made so maybe there's a chance.
Cheers guys & gals.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I'm all for 200x figures. I think a lot of people here want that.

[TJRules]

So, I want to know if there is anyone turned off by Mattel not acknowledging the 10th Anniversary of MOTU 200x? Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge huge vintage guy. I understand the attention given to the 30th anniversary of MOTU. I'm all for it!! But, I do think it would be nice to incorporate at least 1 figure from 200X. Why not take the opportunity to do this. Give us Snake Armor He-Man. Or something...anything. Please share your thoughts on this subject. I know all the 2011 Classics reveals haven't been made so maybe there's a chance.
Cheers guys & gals.

Exactly!! There are a lot of people that would love a 200x acknowledgement from Mattel and the 4H. I would be all FOR this.

Snake Armor He-Man wouldn't be my first choice, but it would be nice to get SOMETHING from 200x for the 10th Anniversary.

They have the perfect opportunity with Power-Con coming in order to do this.

[Neo]

It would be very awesome if they would do something for the 200x fans. Perhaps 1 more staction? Like spikor or scareglow. A classics 200x figure isn't really that special since they are already doing those. Unless they give us a 200x Adam with a new buck. I would welcome something that shows they didn't forget we are also still here.
However on the flip side. NA and POP never got an anniversary either. Oh wait, pop did.

[WhipTastic]

Spikor would be nice!!

[demiscy]

..or a better question: Who turned off the 200x 10th Anniversary ???

[Sir Reilly]

Over at PlanetEternia.de, right now till the end of this week we're commemorating the 10th anniversary of Mattel presenting their 200X He-Man (happend at SDCC 2001).

www.planeteternia.de

[13977]

Spikor would be nice!!

A one off 200x Spikor staction! Now that would be nice for the 10th anniversary, but I know I dreaming

[TJRules]

Over at PlanetEternia.de, we're commemorating the 10th anniversary of Mattel presenting their 200X He-Man (happend at SDCC 2001).

www.planeteternia.de

http://www.planeteternia.de/grafiken...ays/header.jpg

Awesome! Great site! I love the review of the repaints in the 200x line. (Took me a while to translate)

[Fisto]

Hey Everyone,

Like many other fans, I am very happy about Mattel's and Classic Media's plans for the 30th Anniversary of the "MotU" property. However, I also think the 2002 incarnation deserves some love for the 10th. I would love to see Veena or some other 2002 characters appearing in the "MotU:C" line.

Take Care,
Darren

[AximusPrime]

At the expense of being "that guy", I wanted to chime in with a different opinion. Firstly, the 30th Anniversary is of the Masters Of The Universe property, not just the vintage line. New Adventures never got a proper 10th or 20th anniversary celebration, neither did Princess of Power. As a matter of fact, the 2002(X) line more or less coincided with the 20th anniversary of the property so it's kind of redundant to celebrate the anniversary of an anniversary. Also, there has been plenty of homages to the 200X line thrown in throughout Classics with more on the way (See Fisto and his second head, 200X sword, and 200X belt and Battleground Evil Lynn). Secondly, you don't celebrate failure. Regardless of what the underlying factor (poor management of the line by Mattel, Cartoon Network's mishandling of the show's timeslot, etc) the 2002(X) relaunch was not successful. Don't get me wrong, I loved the show and thought it went a long way in adding a lot to the myhtos of Masters Of The Universe and feel that it's cancellation was a huge disservice to the fandom. However, between much of 200X's story elements being incorporated (not always successfully) into the Classics' canon as well as the above mentioned 200X elements and inspirations in the figures, 200X has been given plenty more love than you could hope for a toyline that for all intents and purposes failed. The 200X figures were fine when that line came out, but the style just no longer fits with the current line due to the parts reuse and Mattel will not allocate the resources to develop a one-off figure. I think 200X has been represented far more and better than POP and NA. Hell, The first figure produced for classics, King Grayskull was a 200X character. A separate anniversary celebration is unnecessary, but that's just my opinion.

[TJRules]

Secondly, you don't celebrate failure. Regardless of what the underlying factor (poor management of the line by Mattel, Cartoon Network's mishandling of the show's timeslot, etc) the 2002(X) relaunch was not successful.

FYI, the 200x dvd did VERY well on Amazon.com in 2010.
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A separate anniversary celebration is unnecessary, but that's just my opinion.

It won't be separate. It'll be along WITH all of the other anniversaries we're celebrating with MOTU.

[AximusPrime]

FYI, the 200x dvd did VERY well on Amazon.com in 2010.
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The relaunch still failed. The figures didn't sell due to poor distribution, bad case ratios, and too many variants of the core characters while supporting characters were almost nowhere to be found. The series was canceled before the planned third season could be produced due to Cartoon Network poor scheduling of the series as well as them not getting behind a show that they themselves don't produce. CN pulled the same crap with Transformers multiple times until Hasbro created their own network with Discovery. A DVD set of a series from over 8 years ago selling well is not indicative of success for a toyline. If the toys don't sell, then it failed. FYI, the box set is currently ranked at #2214 as of this writing.

It won't be separate. It'll be along WITH all of the other anniversaries we're celebrating with MOTU.

Read the original post, they are saying they would have liked Mattel to acknowledge the 10th anniversary of 200X and release a figure to commemorate it. That is implicit of asking for a separate anniversary celebration which is not needed as the 30th anniversary already encompasses 200X, NA, POP, Filmation, as well as the vintage line. Also, there are already several 200X only characters in the Classics line as well as others that incorporate 200X elements that have been released and are on the way during the 30th Anniversary year, so I can only assume what they want is an actual 200X styled figure complete with limited articulation and scoliosis ravaged posture. There is no point in separately acknowledging 200X as they are not separately acknowledging any other line as well. I'm sorry if I am coming across as too aggressive, but I feel that 200x gets plenty of acknowledgement from Mattel than fans give credit for, certainly more than they give to NA and POP.

[Vlcan]

Sensing some bad vibes. I do love that there are 200X figures in the line. I like how they are being classisized. I'm a vintage fan at my core. I'm not saying Mattel or TG are not doing a good job. I just thought a nice nod could have been given to a 200X figure such as Snake Armor He-Man or whoever. For the most part nobody wants to celebrate NA or POP. Let's be honest they are just not as desirable as the Vintage line. To me 200X was a representation of the old line. Just more detailed & amped up more. We didn't get an array of aweful characters like the NA line did. Besides the array of variants. I don't want to go into detail on why people think 200X failed. It didn't to me. Sure, things could have been handled better but this isn't the case. 200X was a very good relaunch incorporating elements of the vintage line and some new stuff (KG). I don't need Mattel to throw a party for 200X. Just a reminder to say hey 200x Fans it's also the 10th yada yada...Here is a 200X figure we've all been wanting from the line & it's in the 2011 subscription.

[TJRules]

A DVD set of a series from over 8 years ago selling well is not indicative of success for a toyline. If the toys don't sell, then it failed. FYI, the box set is currently ranked at #2214 as of this writing.

The fact is that the toys did crappy, but the DVD sold. They didn't translate the cartoon to toys successfully. It doesn't mean 200x as a whole was a failure. One facet failed: toys. One facet succeeded: cartoon. Those that talk about 200x need to be specific, in my opinion.

There is no point in separately acknowledging 200X as they are not separately acknowledging any other line as well. I'm sorry if I am coming across as too aggressive, but I feel that 200x gets plenty of acknowledgement from Mattel than fans give credit for, certainly more than they give to NA and POP.

I agree that MOTUC is representing 200x very well. You're right, maybe more than fans will give them credit for, but that doesn't mean they couldn't celebrate it SOMEHOW. Maybe not a figure release, but a nod somehow.

[AximusPrime]

Sensing some bad vibes.

Sorry, that really wasn't my intention.

I do love that there are 200X figures in the line. I like how they are being classisized. I'm a vintage fan at my core. I'm not saying Mattel or TG are not doing a good job. I just thought a nice nod could have been given to a 200X figure such as Snake Armor He-Man or whoever.

And this is where I am confused. Are you asking for another classics-ized 200X character which wouldn't be special as it's already been done several times or are you asking for an actual 200X styled figure which Mattel has gone on record many times saying the style is "retired"?

For the most part nobody wants to celebrate NA or POP. Let's be honest they are just not as desirable as the Vintage line.

While I am not huge on NA or POP myself, I'm sure there are others that would disagree with this sentiment.

I don't want to go into detail on why people think 200X failed. It didn't to me.

It did to Mattel. Not trying to be a jerk, but if 200X was even marginally successful, why did it take more than 5 years for Mattel to even remotely try anything with the MOTU brand on it following 200X?

Sure, things could have been handled better but this isn't the case. 200X was a very good relaunch incorporating elements of the vintage line and some new stuff (KG). I don't need Mattel to throw a party for 200X. Just a reminder to say hey 200x Fans it's also the 10th yada yada...Here is a 200X figure we've all been wanting from the line & it's in the 2011 subscription.

Most of the stuff that 200x brought to the fold is now being incorporated in the Classics line. I just don't see why 200X needs any special acknowledgement when it's influence has been present a lot in the classics line. If the 10th anniversary of 200X didn't fall around the same time as the 30th Anniversary of the entire property, then there would probably be more of a possibilty of it being acknowledged. However, it's much like when someone is born on or around Christmas unfortunately and their birthday takes a backseat to the holidays.

[Vlcan]

Well, I'm just wanting a Classisized 200X figure in which Mattel says Oh hey it's also 10th Ann. of 2002 MOTU modern series. Here's what we have.......... I know we're getting 200x figs. in the line. To be fair all the MOTU lines have failed. Some worse than others. This is not what I want to talk about in this thread. I know NA & POP fans would not like my comments. But, NA & POP are not at the top of MOTU IMO.

[AximusPrime]

The fact is that the toys did crappy, but the DVD sold. They didn't translate the cartoon to toys successfully. It doesn't mean 200x as a whole was a failure. One facet failed: toys. One facet succeeded: cartoon. Those that talk about 200x need to be specific, in my opinion.

The cartoon was cancelled, that is failure. They had an ongoing story that was interrupted and never completed. Mattel is a toy company, their business is selling toys. The cartoon, while it being a very well written show that I myself enjoyed, is still at it's very heart nothing more than a 30 minute toy commercial. No show to promote toys, toyline usually fails. While the DVDs may have sold well, that doesn't mean Mattel is going to automatically rethink their stance on 200X. Besides, I don't think Mattel saw much of that money from the DVDs. I'm sorry that saying 200X failed carries such a negative connotation, but it's failure is still a fact.

I agree that MOTUC is representing 200x very well. You're right, maybe more than fans will give them credit for, but that doesn't mean they couldn't celebrate it SOMEHOW. Maybe not a figure release, but a nod somehow.

Yeah, they could somehow celebrate it. But whether they do or not is something entirely different. And since Mattel has been so uptight on 200X elements in classics, I highly doubt they will. But hey, I could just as easily be proven wrong.

[Darkspecter]

I think a MOTUC 200X He-Man vs Skeletor two-pack would be killer for the anniversary.

He-Man new parts:

- non-screaming head and new hair (head can be re-used for NA He-Man)
- loin cloth
- techno axe
- King Grayskull harness without the shoulder prongs

Skeletor new parts:

- skirt with longer straps and the belt details
- proper 200X half swords
- bare human-like feet
- creepier, more detailed skull face

Non-obvious shared parts:

- Preternia He-Man cowl
- He-Man or Bow bracelets

[TJRules]

The cartoon was cancelled, that is failure. They had an ongoing story that was interrupted and never completed.

You mean when Hordak and the Horde come back? Isn't that a POP thing, not MOTU?

Mattel is a toy company, their business is selling toys. The cartoon, while it being a very well written show that I myself enjoyed, is still at it's very heart nothing more than a 30 minute toy commercial. No show to promote toys, toyline usually fails. While the DVDs may have sold well, that doesn't mean Mattel is going to automatically rethink their stance on 200X. Besides, I don't think Mattel saw much of that money from the DVDs. I'm sorry that saying 200X failed carries such a negative connotation, but it's failure is still a fact.

I guess we have different opinions about what a "failure" is. That's cool. When the DVD of the original cartoon does that well in a non-banner (anniversary, commemorative, etc.) year - to me, that's a success.

Yeah, they could somehow celebrate it. But whether they do or not is something entirely different. And since Mattel has been so uptight on 200X elements in classics, I highly doubt they will. But hey, I could just as easily be proven wrong.

Don't know if Mattel will "celebrate" it, but the Power-Con convention itself will.

[Vlcan]

I think we've all FAILED!! I just think it'd be nice to recognize 200X for it's take on MOTU. That's it. I don't need another figure (would be nice though) or whatever. Just a nod to say we didn't forget 200X. 200X really got me geared up again as a Masters fan and a collector. W/o 200X there may not have been a Classics line. Debatable, I know. But, I loved the cartoon, figures, and most of all the Stactions. Let's debate this but be considerate and respectful guys and gals.
Cheers

[MegaGearMax]

At the expense of being "that guy", I wanted to chime in with a different opinion. Firstly, the 30th Anniversary is of the Masters Of The Universe property, not just the vintage line. New Adventures never got a proper 10th or 20th anniversary celebration, neither did Princess of Power. As a matter of fact, the 2002(X) line more or less coincided with the 20th anniversary of the property so it's kind of redundant to celebrate the anniversary of an anniversary. Also, there has been plenty of homages to the 200X line thrown in throughout Classics with more on the way (See Fisto and his second head, 200X sword, and 200X belt and Battleground Evil Lynn).

POP got a 25th anniversary celebration with a relaunch of the new DVD set.

Secondly, you don't celebrate failure. Regardless of what the underlying factor (poor management of the line by Mattel, Cartoon Network's mishandling of the show's timeslot, etc) the 2002(X) relaunch was not successful.

200X's failure is Mattel's own fault--something that they've never owned up to.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the show and thought it went a long way in adding a lot to the myhtos of Masters Of The Universe and feel that it's cancellation was a huge disservice to the fandom. However, between much of 200X's story elements being incorporated (not always successfully) into the Classics' canon as well as the above mentioned 200X elements and inspirations in the figures, 200X has been given plenty more love than you could hope for a toyline that for all intents and purposes failed. The 200X figures were fine when that line came out, but the style just no longer fits with the current line due to the parts reuse and Mattel will not allocate the resources to develop a one-off figure. I think 200X has been represented far more and better than POP and NA. Hell, The first figure produced for classics, King Grayskull was a 200X character. A separate anniversary celebration is unnecessary, but that's just my opinion.

I think POP has been better represented than 200X has. Adora, two She-Ra's, Bow, Catra, the Star Sisters and Swiftwind.

200X fans have also had to endure shenanighans from Mattel every year since 2009. First we go back and forth about a possible 200X He-Man with Mattel, then we lose Keldor's Swords, then we lose 200X heads, now Battleground Evil-Lyn went from "having quite a few new parts" and "not being a repaint" into being a repaint. How many "anti-200X" press conferences have we gotten that have turned into 60 page Era War debates? No other era of MOTU goes through this. No other era loses accessories or entire costumes like 200X does.

I think a 200X anniversary nod or at least some sort of acknowledgement would help fans realize that there aren't bigwigs over at Mattel who hate 200X, a feeling that fans have long felt, despite Toyguru defending his bosses and claiming otherwise.

[JVS3]

Technically 2012 is the 10th anniversary, not 2011.
I know the 2-up statue debuted at SDCC in the summer of 2001, but that was just a teaser item. It wasn't until 2002 that the line started hitting stores with the cartoon right behind it.

We'll do something fun for the 10th year of 200x at next year's Power-Con/ThunderCon. Who knows, if this year's show does well, maybe Mattel and the 4H will also be on board to help celebrate it.

Scott's very motu proactive at Mattel. So if anyone inside the company will push for it, he will. Keep the hope alive!

[bcrduke]

I think POP has been better represented than 200X has. Adora, two She-Ra's, Bow, Catra, the Star Sisters and Swiftwind.

WHOAAAAA

I love you, but I can't agree with you here. 200X has been a HUGE part of MOTUC. HUGE.

- King Grayskull
- King Grayskull 2.0
- Count Marzo
- Zodak
- The Faceless One
- Kronis
- Keldor
-Chief Carnivus

- Hordak's Staff
- The Tech Power Sword (2 versions)
- Tri-Klops' Doomseeker
- Webstor's Extra legs
- King Randor's Sword and Staff
- Evil-Lyn's long staff
- Whiplash's 200X Head and weapon
- Grizzlor's loin-cloth & weapons pack
- Buzz-Off's long axe
- Sy-Klone's Ring
- Clawful's armor has a decidedly 200X flavor & his mace has the Staction shell detailing
- Battleground Evil-Lyn's color-scheme and helmetless head
- Fisto's belt, 200X head, and extra sword
- Kobra Khan's extra head, and his pet

Then there are the bios... the story which has basically allowed for much of the proposed 3rd season to become canon.

The maps have 200X icons and influences as well.

We'll do something fun for the 10th year of 200x at next year's Power-Con/ThunderCon. Who knows, if this year's show does well, maybe Mattel and the 4H will also be on board to help celebrate it.

The Randor mini-series!!! Digital Download!!! Sell it in flash drives!!!

MUHUHUAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[TJRules]

Let's debate this but be considerate and respectful guys and gals.
Cheers

Totally. Great thread going here. I love these kinds of discussions.

So the MYP cartoon FAILED. Yet it won an emmy?