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    Spector- a liberty too far from Toyguru?

    Just heard the news from Powercon/thundercon and I'm stunned at the revelation that the 1st create a character is from........Toyguru?

    Wasn't this created for fans? Hasn't he already had his little nod with Lt. Spector in the Eternian guards. Starting to feel that he's taking his position as Brand Manager of Mattel a little too far with this plus with the creative input in the new mini-comics as writer.

    On looking at the figure, the first thing I thought was Cyclops body Jim Lee style with a Deadpoolesque/ Venom head? Hardly original either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vid.tracey View Post
    Just heard the news from Powercon/thundercon and I'm stunned at the revelation that the 1st create a character is from........Toyguru?

    On looking at the figure, the first thing I thought was Cyclops body Jim Lee style with a Deadpoolesque/ Venom head? Hardly original either.
    Nope, 6 figures 1 first Create a Character in Photog, 1 by the Horsemen- Draego Man, 1 by Geoff Johns, 2 by Mattel (1 is Spector), and 1 for the new create a character.

    Deadpool = Spector.
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    I don't know... I KNEW it WAS going to happen, I just didn't expect it to be THAT crappy.
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    I think we should reserve judgement for now...

    I've just seen a slightly better pic on the Matty forums - his design seems to be based on a pack of cards and I *think* he has a Cosmic Key motif somewhere on his arm or it could be a reflection in the display case

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    I thought we knew that 1 was going to be Toyguru's design, I wouldn't be surprised if the other Mattel offering is his too. But this figure is plain awful. Every other figure in the line, even one's I don't like, I can find something redeeming about it. This figure is bland, boring, and looks like a 90's Marvel knock-off character.

    There's a reason why there are separate departments for art design and business. One can be good at one and not good at another.

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    It could be a fun figure. And since it's in the fan-created sub line then there's nothing wrong with it. Like it or Not TG is a fan too. I can't be upset with him for wanting to make one of the figures. I just wish now the Royal guard had a different name.

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    This figure is bland, boring, and looks like a 90's Marvel knock-off character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DO4M View Post
    I don't know... I KNEW it WAS going to happen, I just didn't expect it to be THAT crappy.
    I feel the same way.
    I might agree with the OP depending on the bio. If TG goes nuts on the bio & makes his character the be-all & end-all of the MOTU storyline then he's definitely gone mad with power.
    Until then, all he did was get his childhood design made. Who wouldn't have done the same thing if you were in his shoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marndt8448 View Post
    I feel the same way.
    I might agree with the OP depending on the bio. If TG goes nuts on the bio & makes his character the be-all & end-all of the MOTU storyline then he's definitely gone mad with power.
    Until then, all he did was get his childhood design made. Who wouldn't have done the same thing if you were in his shoes?
    Not to disagree, but I'd have had to burn mine because Draego-Man is basically a better version of it.

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    I'm fine with it so long as they stop with the whole 'toy pop are dolls that don't fit in with MOTUC' nonsense.

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    I understand why they let him make a figure, I just wish it wasn't the worst figure of the line.

    I just saw a better picture of him, it didn't help. The logo on his chest is a black spade, and his eyes are red diamonds. I expect there will be a black club and red heart on his back or someplace.

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    After the reveal of Spector, my 1st thought was : OK, Mattel, PLEASE let the 4 Horsemen design the characters (or the fans). But I beg you to refrain from creating Mattel inhouse concept figures !

    Still, I won't be too critic, because I need to see better pics of Spector first...

    EDIT : just saw the bigger, clearer pic above... unfortunately, I must say it will be VERY difficult for me to buy this guy. He doesn't feel or look like he belongs in MOTUC. Mainly reused parts, except the head and accessories... This is not "Mighty Spector"... I think I'll call this one "Lame-o Cheapor".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadVermin View Post
    I understand why they let him make a figure, I just wish it wasn't the worst figure of the line.

    I just saw a better picture of him, it didn't help. The logo on his chest is a black spade, and his eyes are red diamonds. I expect there will be a black club and red heart on his back or someplace.

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    An all-around terrible design that reminds me of something you'd find in a cheap off-brand 90's comic book. The left hand shows some interesting tooling, but that's sadly all we can get from this design. Master of time travel? Looks like a second-rate thug. Certainly not a master of anything. The color scheme is too flat. The gun holster is too big. Pretty odd using a futuristic-ish design but then giving him a He-Man wrist. Was there any critiquing that went into this? I doubt it. What production and tooling that could have gone into a great new figure was once again wasted.
    I'd like to know why someone thought it would be a good idea to create new characters for the 30th anniversary celebration instead of making use of Mattel's Filmation rights and releasing characters we've grown up with and loved for 30 years!

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    Hmmm.... interesting figures. I think the only thing I'm not crazy about on Spector is the colour of his harness. IMO if it was black and the spade was either red or green I think it would be better but nothing wrong with figure. Jazzed about the Griffon...need to decide if I want to go for 1 or a trio.

    Is the temple of Darkness in some other media than the MOTUC bios? Just trying to figure out where this Sorceress would fit in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marndt8448 View Post
    I feel the same way.
    I might agree with the OP depending on the bio. If TG goes nuts on the bio & makes his character the be-all & end-all of the MOTU storyline then he's definitely gone mad with power.
    Until then, all he did was get his childhood design made. Who wouldn't have done the same thing if you were in his shoes?
    I would... but he would've been an expendable character that gets killed off or something... AND he'd be an Etherian...

    I only hope that Spector does not OutMary Sue Bella Swan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marndt8448 View Post
    I feel the same way.
    I might agree with the OP depending on the bio. If TG goes nuts on the bio & makes his character the be-all & end-all of the MOTU storyline then he's definitely gone mad with power.
    Until then, all he did was get his childhood design made. Who wouldn't have done the same thing if you were in his shoes?
    We would all do it. And others have said, he really is/was instrumental in this whole line. I begrudge him nothing, and am just thankful that one of us got to the position of power.

    That's what people forget. He is one of us. We "know" him so well now, we forget. One of us made good, and does everything he can to give back.

    So far I like this character design. I hope his bio is cool.

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    Its ok to bash the figure but a lot here are getting too personal on Toyguru

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    It looks like Toyguru only took a slot that required all re-used parts. Dislike the figure if you want, but he let the Horsemen go loose on theirs while being conservative with his own. I'll give him a lot of credit for that, and also for getting to see a dream come true. I can appreciate that even if the figure that came from it isn't really speaking to me. All I have are blurry photos too, I may see more to like when clearer ones show up. Why does the head look like a black version of what I thought Faceless One's head should have been? Maybe I can customize it!

    Also, they tried to get other creators to design a character for free and they turned it down.

    It's a pity they didn't open up the create-a-character contest a few years ago and then chose not one but four winners from it to fill out the year. I say that assuming I might like those designs more than the next three figures though. I may not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vid.tracey View Post
    Just heard the news from Powercon/thundercon and I'm stunned at the revelation that the 1st create a character is from........Toyguru?

    Wasn't this created for fans? Hasn't he already had his little nod with Lt. Spector in the Eternian guards. Starting to feel that he's taking his position as Brand Manager of Mattel a little too far with this plus with the creative input in the new mini-comics as writer.

    On looking at the figure, the first thing I thought was Cyclops body Jim Lee style with a Deadpoolesque/ Venom head? Hardly original either.
    Only one figure is a create-a-character for the fans (unless you count Photog from twenty-five years ago.

    Toyguru and Mattel did absolutely nothing wrong with designing this character in the sense that it was well within Matty's rights to have Scott design one of the two Matty-designed add-on figures that we knew were yet to be revealed.

    I for one am glad that Toyguru got to design a figure. He has been instrumental in bringing Masters back to life, and he suffers so much grief for it. We can debate whether we like his design, but let's not say he is acting outside of what is "fair" by actually getting to design a toy. He put in the long hours preparing for this career; he interviewed and got a job at Mattel; he probably has to work on projects that are not his dream projects; he has put his job on the line in some ways for being such an advocate for Masters; he has to put up with fans who are jealous of his job; he has to endure accusations of malfeasance just because some people think he is out to get the fans; for goodness' sake, let's let him design a figure without grief!!!!!
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    Guys please keep it civil, before anything gets out of hand. It is OK to critique the figure and its place in MOTU but please do not cross the line and start bashing its creator. Thanks!

    Scott is actually walking around the Con and talking to people about the figure, so for what its worth I think his contribution is a genuinely fan oriented one.
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    The most legitimate grip is that it doesn't seem to look very MOTU at all. With that said, I'm with everyone else, let's wait until we see a better picture.

    In the least, The Mighty Spector would be a good candidate to get rid of the head. Thankfully with this line, we can do that with armor, heads, and weapons. Since we're getting an extra Icarius head, might be a good time to put it to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skystalker View Post
    I for one am glad that Toyguru got to design a figure. He has been instrumental in bringing Masters back to life, and he suffers so much grief for it. We can debate whether we like his design, but let's not say he is acting outside of what is "fair" by actually getting to design a toy. He put in the long hours preparing for this career; he interviewed and got a job at Mattel; he probably has to work on projects that are not his dream projects; he has put his job on the line in some ways for being such an advocate for Masters; he has to put up with fans who are jealous of his job; he has to endure accusations of malfeasance just because some people think he is out to get the fans; for goodness' sake, let's let him design a figure without grief!!!!!
    This.

    Do I love the design? Not really. But I'm diggin' the fact that Scott got one in there. As much crap as people give him here, Scott does a pretty damn good job. Remember, final decisions are not usually his, and he gives us info that a lot of other companies (or even Matty in the past) would refuse to reveal to consumers. He deals with our crap, and tnat of the company, and works his ass off, and has a family. He could have given us "Wisconsin Pride Orko" and I would've been happy to see him get a creation in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vid.tracey View Post
    Just heard the news from Powercon/thundercon and I'm stunned at the revelation that the 1st create a character is from........Toyguru?

    Wasn't this created for fans? Hasn't he already had his little nod with Lt. Spector in the Eternian guards. Starting to feel that he's taking his position as Brand Manager of Mattel a little too far with this plus with the creative input in the new mini-comics as writer.
    This, along with the thread title, I think are what have many of us crying foul that things are turning to a bit of disrespect and all...

    Quote Originally Posted by vid.tracey View Post
    On looking at the figure, the first thing I thought was Cyclops body Jim Lee style with a Deadpoolesque/ Venom head? Hardly original either.
    A 3 paragraph original post, plus a title, and only 1 out of 4 components of the original post are about disliking the figure.

    "A liberty too far...?" is not a statement about disliking the figure, but rather directly attacks TG's involvement in the figure, just like the first two of 3 paragraphs.

    As others have pointed out, if TG had come up with something that was as "incredible" as Draego-Man, nobody would care so much that TG created the character. So, to those who say that this is a thread about disliking (or liking, for those of us who do like the figure) the character/figure is totally inaccurate, and only what it morphed into, not what the OP started as.

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