Mighty Spector Discussion Thread

[Night Stalker]

I agree that the whole "childhood creation" angle is a bit fishy, since Scott contradicted himself when mentioning his original drawing.

Those weren't contradictions. TMS went back in time and altered the timeline, so there are several sets of realities that can be chosen from.

[Crusader]

Those weren't contradictions. TMS went back in time and altered the timeline, so there are several sets of realities that can be chosen from.

[Berserker79]

That's because you can't make a flawed design look cool just by saying it. There's no point in writing up a bio (or a comic) telling people how awesome TMS is when one glance at the figure shows he's as enticing as grandma's underpants.

There's no problem in adding new characters to the line, there's only a problem with this particular design. If you let skilled designers like the 4H create a new character you get a superb figure like Draego Man. The Horsemen went completely out of town on him and he ended up downright spectacular. They really wanted to give the fans the best possible figure and scored. Sneaking his ridiculous childhood fantasy in the mythos, Scott only aimed to please himself and got rightfully disparaged.

Yeah, you totally nailed it!

[EldestSon]

I never will buy this discarded figure from the 80's contest isn't a MotU
If TG tell the true about him creation, the contest was at 1985 right? The movie and the cosmic key was from 1987...how could TG design the cosmic key for spector to the contest in the 1985?! How it was the original spector design?... again if it's was true this history...
To me this 30th anniversary it's only a excuse to introduce a figure created by Toyguru...

this has already been explained.

[Mr. Shokoti]

Something, something, something, "exception that proves the rule".

Not really. I've read similar opinions from others on this very forum about characters they didn't like until seeing a comic, cartoon, or bio.

I feel so special that you took your time away from going on and on about Spector to offer me snark. Thanks.

[Prince Adam's Dad]

Not really. I've read similar opinions from others on this very forum about characters they didn't like until seeing a comic, cartoon, or bio.

I feel so special that you took your time away from going on and on about Spector to offer me snark. Thanks.

It was my third post in just under two weeks in this thread. So....yeah....I'll try to rein it in a little.

And it still stands that it's a sad state when a toy is so visually unappealing that it relies on fiction to make it desirable. Especially in a toyline that has historically been as visually dynamic as MOTU.

Sorry, that was 4 posts. O NOES! I'm going on and on again!

[Uki]

Oh don't worry, it's not just you. It's ALL the people who keep coming back to rail against Spector, especially those who state their opinion as an absolute fact. I think the toy is quite visually appealing, myself.

[Prince Adam's Dad]

Oh don't worry, it's not just you. It's ALL the people who keep coming back to rail against Spector, especially those who state their opinion as an absolute fact. I think the toy is quite visually appealing, myself.

I've never stated my opinion as a fact. (By the by, things like "ugly" and "uninspired" are subjective terms, and can not be considered a universal fact. When people are saying that, they are referring to their own opinion-and possibly the opinion of those who agree.)

I have only referred to a poll that indicates that only 13% (23 of 168) of the people who responded found it to be a visually appealing figure. In fact, if you look at those judging it only on the aesthetics of the figure itself, 78% (81 of 104) of those people did not find it appealing.

While that does not mean that it is a bad figure. Again, subjective. But what can be stated at a fact , based on the numbers at hand, is that most people do not like the figure.

[Uki]

It was my third post in just under two weeks in this thread. So....yeah....I'll try to rein it in a little.

And it still stands that it's a sad state when a toy is so visually unappealing that it relies on fiction to make it desirable. Especially in a toyline that has historically been as visually dynamic as MOTU.

Sorry, that was 4 posts. O NOES! I'm going on and on again!

Um, right. Right up there.

[Prince Adam's Dad]

Um, right. Right up there.

That was about any figure that one has to be convinced by some external source to like. In that case, it was about that poster's opinion of Clamp Champ.

[maltesefalcon]

why is there so much hate about scott using his childhood hero when geoff johns (who as far as i know has nothing to do with motu is doing the same (which i personally think is going to be a horror version of superman and hal jordan judging by his return to the silver age style of writing), what is the history of drago-man who came up with him?
(btw i am a geoff johns fan i just dont like seeing my 90's characters getting pushed to the side)

[Prince Adam's Dad]

why is there so much hate about scott using his childhood hero when geoff johns (who as far as i know has nothing to do with motu is doing the same (which i personally think is going to be a horror version of superman and hal jordan judging by his return to the silver age style of writing), what is the history of drago-man who came up with him?
(btw i am a geoff johns fan i just dont like seeing my 90's characters getting pushed to the side)

It's simple. People don't like the toy. If people don't like Johns' toy, expect a similar response (although likely to a lesser extent, since people won't be accusing Johns of abusing his position to get it made). If he makes something that people are fond of (like Draego-Man), expect a much warmer response.

[DO4M]

why is there so much hate about scott using his childhood hero when geoff johns (who as far as i know has nothing to do with motu is doing the same (which i personally think is going to be a horror version of superman and hal jordan judging by his return to the silver age style of writing), what is the history of drago-man who came up with him?
(btw i am a geoff johns fan i just dont like seeing my 90's characters getting pushed to the side)

Well, we haven't seen Johns design yet. Personally I'm against Mattel using someone unrelated to MOTU history to make an anniversary figure... Not saying that Val and/or Emiliano should've gotten that spot, but they are more "worthy" in terms of MOTU History than Geoff Johns. Heck, anyone who had worked on previous MOTU/POP stuff would be more worthy of that spot than Johns.

Now if the design is bad, my guess is that the hate will be directed to Scott, cause he seems to be more of a GL fan. Since Johns is tightly involved with GL, well the angry fan will reach to the conclusion that TG brought the GL guy to do some Lantern related butt-kissing, or a reward for TG becoming a Red Lantern... and we got stuck with that thing... That is assuming the Johns design sucks... If the design is cool, there might be less complaints and the crap will shift back to Spector... It seems that Scott will not win anyway...

If the design is good, I'll acknowledge it... even if I don't like the idea of an Outsider doing MOTU, when far more worthy people could have done it...

[Uki]

That was about any figure that one has to be convinced by some external source to like. In that case, it was about that poster's opinion of Clamp Champ.

I happen to like Spector. It's unfortunate that so many don't. At the end of the day, I'll be happy that I have him though.

[EldestSon]

It's simple. People don't like the toy. If people don't like Johns' toy, expect a similar response (although likely to a lesser extent, since people won't be accusing Johns of abusing his position to get it made). If he makes something that people are fond of (like Draego-Man), expect a much warmer response.

right. the people who don't like it because it's TGs is a very small minority. most just don't like the toy period.

no one has an opinion on john's toy because we haven't seen it. and likely, those that don't like TG making a toy may not care that johns (an established and well regarded comic book writer) is doing the same.

[Eterniandreams]

this has already been explained.

Yes, it has. It would be sooo much easier if people would actually bother getting their facts straight first.

[Beastmaster]

The facts are quite simple:

1. The Mighty Spector is a failure as a figure for various reasons (X-Men ripoff, boring, no MOTU feeling...)

2. A minority of fans like the figure

3. People don't like the figure because it bites, not because of who made it

4. A minority of people don't like the figure because Toyguru designed it

5. Several people think TG abused his position as brand manager to get his own figure out.

I think that's about it without offending anyone right?

[Uki]

I contest your "fact" #1.

[Prince Adam's Dad]

I contest your "fact" #1.

How about #2?

[Lipster]

He is starting to grow on me. I wish they could fix his eyes/head. Much better figure than Snake Man-at-Arms.

[Berserker79]

I don't know, where the problem for some people is, when many customers say " I don't like this figure!"

If I say, that in my opinion the figure is not MOTU, it is a statement from me because of my personal preferences.

I don't say, that you shouldn't buy it.

[Eterniandreams]

I contest your "fact" #1.

And fact 3 and 4 contradict each other.

2 is probably true if you mean less than half. It is hard to measure, but I have to agree that a mayority has issues with TMS based on what I read.

[Prince Adam's Dad]

And fact 3 and 4 contradict each other.

2 is probably true if you mean less than half. It is hard to measure, but I have to agree that a mayority has issues with TMS based on what I read.

3 and 4 don't really contradict. #3 wasn't "All people...", just "People...", and #4 indicated that it was a minority of that group that disliked it because of who made it. It certainly could have been worded a bit better.

As for #2, the only metric we currently have (for what it is worth), the poll that is in my profile, indicates that the number is well below half that like the figure.

[Beastmaster]

And fact 3 and 4 contradict each other.

2 is probably true if you mean less than half. It is hard to measure, but I have to agree that a mayority has issues with TMS based on what I read.

No, they don't. Off course, reading and understanding the entire post is off the essence here...

3 indicates that the majority of people dislike the figure, not it's creator.
4 states that it's only a minority that dislikes it because it's TG's creation.

The objective difference between majority and minority is that majority means more people, even if it's only 51%.

[Uki]

Okay, clearly I misunderstood what certain people here were referring to in their posts. For that, I apologize. I don't appreciate being spoken to like an idiot, however. Also, I was not singling any one person out as stating opinions as absolutes.

In any event, have a good day, He-Fans!